Allah and Christ

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According to the Britannica website,

"Allah, Arabic Allāh (“God”), the one and only God in Islam.

Etymologically, the name Allah is probably a contraction of the Arabic al-Ilāh, “the God.” The name’s origin can be traced to the earliest Semitic writings in which the word for god was il, el, or eloah, the latter two used in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). "

From
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allah

Wikipedia says,
"Regional variants of the word Allah occur in both pagan and Christian pre-Islamic inscriptions."
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_pre-Islamic_Arabia#cite_note-:3-31
Muhammed was visited by allah.
He dictated what allah told him.
The quaran was born.
Before that allah was one god among many. But Muhammed determined allah was the only God.
Like i said....Allah is a demon.
 
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See my posts for understanding. The whole reason i responded to this is that the OP was surprised that a Christian would recognize that "allah" means "God/the God"- and it shouldn't be all that surprising. "allah" is not exclusively the word for the god of the Koran or Islam, as much as some people want to think of it that way- and using "allah" does not necessarily make someone a Muslim or globalist unitarian that wants to conflate/unite the worlds religions.
It seems a lot more prudent to simply say Mohammed was a false prophet and the Koran is false scripture if you need to speak against Islam. I never hear anyone say "Jehova is NOT God!!" just because Jehova's witnesses use "Jehova".
Allah is directly referred to as the DEMON that personally visited muhammed and dictated the quaran.
 

SomeDisciple

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Allah is directly referred to as the DEMON that personally visited muhammed and dictated the quaran.
Okay, so how do you feel about Middle Eastern Christian's or Arab Americans that use "Allah". Are they unsaved?
 

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Maybe it's ok to call the Christian God Allah in some countries because it does just mean God.. but you do it the West..like I said and you are talking muslims and Islam
I think it might just depend on the person and the context. I personally would never call God the Father Allah, no mater the circumstances.
 

Nehemiah6

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How does their President give priority to Moslems?
When Christians were under attack by Muslims, Jacinda simply ignored that. But when a mosque was attacked by a gunman she went on the warpath, and went to extremes to appease Muslims, even wearing a hijab. [Commonwealth countries have prime ministers, not presidents] More recently she has shown herself to be another COVID tyrant.

There is rarely any retaliation against Muslims even after all the atrocities they have committed in Western cities. But this became a big deal, while thousands of Christians have been targeted slaughtered by Muslims almost daily, and the politicians have looked the other way.

The problem is with the ignorant and arrogant Western politicians like Ardern who refuse to accept the fact that Radical Islam is (1) worldwide and (2) at war with the West. Instead they coddle Muslims and literally invite them to destroy their own countries by opening the door to massive migrant invasion, with Muslims erecting mosques in the thousands. But if Christian churches were erected in Muslim lands they would be banned and destroyed. The persecution of Christians by Muslims is a fact of life and the unspeakable atrocities of ISIS and others have generally been ignored.
 

Nehemiah6

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None of that contradicts the idea that Allah is a pre-Muhammadan word for God used by millions of Christians today.
Forget about the pre-Muhammadan world. No one cares about that and it is totally irrelevant.
 

Nehemiah6

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If a Christian says Muslims worship the same God but worship Him wrongly and has the wrong concept of God, is that worth dividing over?
Since that is a very serious lie, it must be addressed and put to rest. The Koran is opposed to the Bible, and Allah is opposed to Christ and the Holy Trinity. And the Bible says that light and darkness have no fellowship with each other.
I don't use that terminology. But Muslims claim to worship the God of Abraham.
That claim is not borne out by the Koran. In the Koran Abraham and Ishmael are responsible for building the Kaaba in Mecca! Does that jive with the biblical account of Abraham and Isaac?
 

presidente

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Muhammed was visited by allah.
He dictated what allah told him.
The quaran was born.
Before that allah was one god among many. But Muhammed determined allah was the only God.
Like i said....Allah is a demon.
You don't know that Muhammad told the truth or if half of what was written in the AlQur'an was doctored by early Califs, or what.

Joseph Smith claimed to receive Revelation from Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon uses the word 'God.' Christians did not stop using the word God. Christians in the US don't typically accuse God of being a demon because Joseph Smith claimed to receive revelation. We do not say bad things about Jesus Christ because Joseph Smith claimed to talk to him.
 

presidente

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Since that is a very serious lie, it must be addressed and put to rest. The Koran is opposed to the Bible, and Allah is opposed to Christ and the Holy Trinity. And the Bible says that light and darkness have no fellowship with each other.
When I open up my Bible it says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

See
Yohanes 1
1:1 Pada mulanya adalah Firman 1 Firman itu bersama-sama dengan Allah dan Firman itu adalah Allah. 1:2 Ia pada mulanya bersama-sama dengan Allah
(TB)

So why why would God be opposed to Christ if the Bible says this?

That claim is not borne out by the Koran. In the Koran Abraham and Ishmael are responsible for building the Kaaba in Mecca! Does that jive with the biblical account of Abraham and Isaac?
I don't follow the Al Qur'an. Al Kitab (the Bible) says other things about Allah, and says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.
 

presidente

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I think it might just depend on the person and the context. I personally would never call God the Father Allah, no mater the circumstances.
It would feel really weird in English, but it does not feel strange if I am reading the Indonesian Bible or preaching/teaching in Indonesian.
 

Pilgrimshope

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When I open up my Bible it says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

See
Yohanes 1
1:1 Pada mulanya adalah Firman 1 Firman itu bersama-sama dengan Allah dan Firman itu adalah Allah. 1:2 Ia pada mulanya bersama-sama dengan Allah
(TB)

So why why would God be opposed to Christ if the Bible says this?



I don't follow the Al Qur'an. Al Kitab (the Bible) says other things about Allah, and says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.
what does verse John 3:16 say in your Bible ? Allah sent his son ?
 

presidente

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what does verse John 3:16 say in your Bible ? Allah sent his son ?
Yes, I have an Indonesian 'Terjemahan Baru' Bible in my books somewhere. I usually use online versions if I need it. It's the standard Bible translation used in Indonesia since the 1960's. There was a previous version. The Indonesian Bible Society puts them out. The various denominations use it, the Reformed Churches, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. use the Terjemahan Baru Bible. There are some other translations but they are rarely used.


Yohanes 3:16 TB
Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.

Use control-f and look up 'Allah' to see the many languages that use 'Allah' in this verse:

http://www.everytongue.com/john/index.htm
 

justbyfaith

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There are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there who would not agree with that statement.
Such muslims do not follow the whole of the Quran. The Quran teaches jihad against those who are of other faiths than Islam.
 

justbyfaith

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Al Kitab (the Bible) says other things about Allah, and says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Ishmael.
Actually it says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac; that Isaac is the child of promise while Ishmael was the child of the flesh.
 

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I think it might just depend on the person and the context. I personally would never call God the Father Allah, no mater the circumstances.
Yeah I wouldn't call God the Father Allah. The association with muslims is too close for my liking. Plus the Father is co-equal and co-eternal with God Jesus... so that would be another reason not to
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, I have an Indonesian 'Terjemahan Baru' Bible in my books somewhere. I usually use online versions if I need it. It's the standard Bible translation used in Indonesia since the 1960's. There was a previous version. The Indonesian Bible Society puts them out. The various denominations use it, the Reformed Churches, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc. use the Terjemahan Baru Bible. There are some other translations but they are rarely used.


Yohanes 3:16 TB
Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.

Use control-f and look up 'Allah' to see the many languages that use 'Allah' in this verse:

http://www.everytongue.com/john/index.htm
so is it a Muslim translation ? Does it have the epistles ? Of Peter , John Paul and James ? The revelation also ?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Actually it says that Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac; that Isaac is the child of promise while Ishmael was the child of the flesh.
amen

it’s when Abraham offered isaac that God saved isaacs life and promised the seed of Christ the lamb savior of all nations

“And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the Lord, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So Christians through Gods act of sacrificing Christ his only begotten

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. ( genesis 12: 3)

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8-9, 16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

become heirs of God through Christs promises to Abraham coming to pass in the gospel. The seed being born is those who are born again in Christ !!


People wonder how Abraham could sacrifice his son , the answer is he didn’t he had reckoned if he killed Isaac God would raise him back to life because he named Isaac that seed of promise he was a figure of Christ and it was an act of faith.

By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:17-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Though Isaac was second born ishmael is no longer recognized and Isaac is the only begotten recognized of God and this is a figure of Christ the only begotten but the second man. The second “ adam “ who became a life giving spirit

“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Through his sacrificial death Jesus sends his spirit to give us life

“Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, ( Adam ) earthy:

the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Religion professors might call it an 'Abrahamic religion'. I cringe more when people call Islam or Hinduism a 'faith'. If unbelieving g Jews sought righteousness not by faith why would Muhammadism or demon idol worship be faith.

As far as 'worship the same God' goes, let's consider Judaism again. Jesus said of some Pharisees who did not receive him that they claimed His Father was their God. I have read the assertion that unbelieving Jews do not worship the same God. I would say something is locking in their worship.

If a Christian says Muslims worship the same God but worship Him wrongly and has the wrong concept of God, is tgat worth dividing over? I don't use that terminology. But Muslins claim to worship the God of Abraham.

And if you are speaking to a Muslim in a language where the word for God is Allah then the you do not have to go loggerheads over whether their Allah is the same God as your Allah. You can share the Gospel without doing that and still talk about how their idea of God is wrong.
I do not accept that Christianity is a religion. I call the various "isms" religion. Christianity is a relationship with God through Christ. I believe that Satan is setting up a world wide religion that will suck in billions of people. It will be a merger of the "3 great monotheistic religions", i.e. Roman Catholicism, Judaism and Islam. Their head is Satan, not God. It is a counterfeit of the real thing, the true church whose head is Lord Jesus.

I've not had a lot to do with Muslims. When I have spoken to them, they stumble over the idea that Christ is God. They also believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead and was not crucified in the first place. They say that Judas took His place. Some Muslims are becoming disenchanted and that is a great opportunity to witness. It's still dangerous for Muslims to forsake Islam, depending on where they live. They can withdraw from Islam, but to accept Christ may cost them their lives.
 

presidente

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so is it a Muslim translation ? Does it have the epistles ? Of Peter , John Paul and James ? The revelation also ?
No it is not a Muslim translation.
PreIslamic Christians who spoke Arabic apparently called God Allah as Arabic-speaking Christians do today. So do Hauza, Maltese, and Indonesian-speaking Christians.

Allah is likely etymologically related to Hebrew, whereas 'God' in English might come from a pagan word for a god. Derivations I read seemed a bit iffy but less so than Arabic.