Allah and Christ

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Sipsey

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When Muhammad was a young man he married his boss. He was a camel driver and she had a "trucking" company and he married her in order to get ahead in life.

Because she was fairly wealthy it left him with a lot of time on his hands, and being a somewhat introspective ascetic, he liked to go up and meditate on "spiritual" things up in the mountains.

When he was 40 years of age he started having these strange convulsions. He started foaming at the mouth and going into trances, and he was convinced that he was demon possessed, that he had a djin, the Arabic from which we get our English word genie—an evil spirit. But his wife said no, it was just the angel Gabriel who was wanting to communicate with him.

So he goes up into a cave in the mountains and the angel Gabriel allegedly appeared to this illiterate camel herder, outside of Mecca, and they had a little fight. Gabriel strangled him and choked him into submission, demanding that he "proclaim in the name of the Lord, the creator, who created man from a clot of blood."

So he was to proclaim this new revelation that came allegedly from God, and the fact that Gabriel allegedly choked him into submission is key for understanding Islam because the word Islam does not mean peace, it means submission.

The role of Islam and their mission is to cause everybody on the planet to come into submission to Allah, and it doesn't matter if it is done by free will or whether by force through violence. That becomes clear from reading the Koran. Just as Muhammad was forced into submission through violence, that is the way that Islam has often spread in history.
 

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They worship a demon, a false god that Yahweh warns His people to not fall into the worship of demons who manipulate the masses to worship them as a god.
It is simply shocking to see Christians trying to make Allah the God of the Bible. They are either ignorant or perverse.
 

Nehemiah6

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The role of Islam and their mission is to cause everybody on the planet to come into submission to Allah...
And even though the Radical Islamists have made this crystal clear (along with their goal of setting up a worldwide Caliphate), the arrogant and ignorant Western politicians have opened the floodgates to Muslim migrant invasion, and the erection of thousands of mosques. Western politicians are afraid of so-called "islamophobia", but when Christians are slaughtered by the Islamists, they simply ignore that.
 

Roughsoul1991

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It is simply shocking to see Christians trying to make Allah the God of the Bible. They are either ignorant or perverse.
I believe it to be mostly ignorance. Although I would not rule out Islam sympathisers who wish to portray Islam as a shoot off of Christianity. The Quran teaches them to deceive and lie in order to try and promote Sharia law. Blend in until they have political power.
 

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It is simply shocking to see Christians trying to make Allah the God of the Bible. They are either ignorant or perverse.
It is in the Bible. I quoted it earlier. You act like the Bible says 'God'. Not everyone uses English translations.

Do you understand the concept of a foreign language?
 

SomeDisciple

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It is in the Bible. I quoted it earlier. You act like the Bible says 'God'. Not everyone uses English translations.

Do you understand the concept of a foreign language?
I think he is referring to the other poster that said muslims worship the same god- which I dont think can be true.
If Jesus said the Pharasees worshipped the devil, then I'm gonna go ahead and say muslims do too.
 

presidente

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I think he is referring to the other poster that said muslims worship the same god- which I dont think can be true.
If Jesus said the Pharasees worshipped the devil, then I'm gonna go ahead and say muslims do too.
Jesus did not say the Pharisees worshipped the Devil. He said that they said that His Father was their God, and that they were of their father the Devil.
 

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Jesus did not say the Pharisees worshipped the Devil. He said that they said that His Father was their God, and that they were of their father the Devil.
Well, I'd say that calling them a child of the devil and wanting to do the devil's desires is equivalent; nevertheless, God was right there in front of them and instead of worshiping him, they said he was demon-possessed, and plotted to kill him. Kinda like what radical Islamists do to Chistians. They follow commandments taught by men, just like the Pharisees that hated Jesus, but that's not the basis for real worship- if they have a real relationship with, and love God, they will know to come out of Islam.
 

Jackson123

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Some one the other day spoke to me that Allah is just another name for the same God as christianity.

I was surprised cos this was coming from a Christian, but it made me think what really separates that two.

I looked at a dvd on comparing Allah and Christ and the key thing is the Christian God IS Jesus and is a triune God.. where Allah is not triune... and Jesus is only a prophet (altho somehow still born of a virgin!)

But yes.. there seems a trend at least here in NZ to make Christian's and muslims 'one'.

I think it's coming from the Pope down to the masses
Jesus is not Allah, Islam god did not have Son Jesus is God Son
Jesus teach love your enemy, Muslim allah teach kill your enemy if Jesus is Allahabad both must have same teaching
 

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And even though the Radical Islamists have made this crystal clear (along with their goal of setting up a worldwide Caliphate), the arrogant and ignorant Western politicians have opened the floodgates to Muslim migrant invasion, and the erection of thousands of mosques. Western politicians are afraid of so-called "islamophobia", but when Christians are slaughtered by the Islamists, they simply ignore that.
If there were enough mature Christians around, it wouldn’t be a problem.
 

presidente

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Jesus is not Allah, Islam god did not have Son Jesus is God Son
My Bible says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

i've got a dual translation Indonesian Terhemahan Baru (New Translation) and KJV NT, and a whole Indonesian (TB) Bible.
 

Sipsey

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My Bible says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

i've got a dual translation Indonesian Terhemahan Baru (New Translation) and KJV NT, and a whole Indonesian (TB) Bible.
My Bible says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

i've got a dual translation Indonesian Terhemahan Baru (New Translation) and KJV NT, and a whole Indonesian (TB) Bible.
The context is what matters. It is not the word Allah, as such, but its obvious point of reference.
 

Jackson123

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My Bible says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

i've got a dual translation Indonesian Terhemahan Baru (New Translation) and KJV NT, and a whole Indonesian (TB) Bible.
Same name different people in Mexico a lot of Jesus my neighbor named Jesus but I am not worship him because he is not Lord jesus
Islam allah have totally different teaching with the Lord Jesus so Jesus is not Islam allah
 

Jackson123

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According Christian prince, Quran /Islam allah say sun set in the murky water, Jesus never say do

 
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My Bible says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Allah and the Word was Allah.

i've got a dual translation Indonesian Terhemahan Baru (New Translation) and KJV NT, and a whole Indonesian (TB) Bible.
It is perhaps better to reference it as "Allah of the Quran" or "god of the Quran" to make it unambiguous. Likewise with "god of the Talmud"

But one the deeper questions here is why is that edition of the Bible using a nonenglish word that clearly has the purpose of conflating Christian and Islamic scripture?
 

Jackson123

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If we read ccc 841 than we believe what this professor say catholic create islam

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION


841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."


 
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amen the false diety has no son God has one begotten and many sons begotten through the one
Which God does the non Christian Jews serve? if I may ask. I mean those who believe in the Torah and do not believe that Jesus is the Mesiah?
 
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it’s tricky because Islam accepts the Torah of Moses, but not the gospel.

Muhammad is thoer “ Christ like figure “ not the son but “allahs “ the false gods highest prophet who will return


what they deny is what Christianity believes the New Testament about the son to them this is perverse and worthy of death to our your faith in the Son
[/QUOTE]Just like the non Christian Jewish people. Do the Jews serve the same God we serve?
 
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Allah was one God amoung many.
Allah is a demon like all the other Muslim gods.

Now it is just Allah and his prophet mohammed.
Allah is a demon.

" allahu ackbar"
Is what is screamed when chopping off heads or a suicide bomber blows up jews and christians.

It translates " allah is greater" (than the christian and jewish God)
I can see you are talking from a position of ignorance. Muslims serve only one God. There is nothing like Muslim gods.
 
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If what is said in Islamic and Rabbinic Judaic scripture is true:

Allah is not the God of the Bible

The god of the Talmud is also not the God of the Bible

Both are false religions for rejecting the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ.

"And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." - 1 Cor 15:17 KJV
Well if the God of Abraham is not the God you serve, I believe you could be the one who is serving a false God