AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[RedTent]

All these people who give scripture after scripture and say those are teaching not to listen to the law, should read every scripture saying "it is written" to try to find one that says not to read and listen to what is written. There are 80 of them. The law was written. There are 10 verses repeating what was written in the law of Moses "it is written in the law of Moses", twice in the new testament, and those verses simply cannot be read to say not to listen to what is written.

Teaching that the law doesn't save does not in any way teach not to listen. Teaching that it requires the Holy Spirit to really hear what is written is not in any way teaching not to read law or listen to it.

 

[phil112]

wow you need to trash the bible good answer that one, out of all the answer you could of give could you not have give a better one. ?

That advice is for anyone reading a "bible" that has false doctrine. You have a problem with that?

 

[phil112]

All these people who give scripture after scripture and say those are teaching not to listen to the law ................

Red, there is a book out, and altho it is called new, it has actually been around a long time. You really should find one and read it.

 

[Zinzerio]

All these people who give scripture after scripture and say those are teaching not to listen to the law, should read every scripture saying "it is written" to try to find one that says not to read and listen to what is written. There are 80 of them. The law was written. There are 10 verses repeating what was written in the law of Moses "it is written in the law of Moses", twice in the new testament, and those verses simply cannot be read to say not to listen to what is written.

Teaching that the law doesn't save does not in any way teach not to listen. Teaching that it requires the Holy Spirit to really hear what is written is not in any way teaching not to read law or listen to it.

the world is full of internet athiests and bullies.

The reason is not what you think the reason has nothing to do with people who believe in God.
The reason is internet bullies and internet atheists.

I know people have tried to bully me nerly every time i come on, because i stand up for my beliefs to them but not no more im just ignoring them now,

I just speak Gods truth, but the other reason is there are many atheists who want to attack Christians and bring them down to the point where no longer believing anymore, that's what they slowly do over time.
they rip apart every single belief you have and that you have been grounded in with the word, they rip apart all aspects of your beliefs and they do that by ripping into peoples beliefs with part answers from other people,

im not joking but every single belief i have had has been ripped apart from the day i joined from some people who clearly hate me.
Not only that the level of mocking and bullying i have witness has never stopped towards me and others,

(Christians are told to forgive and not stay angry all day) thees people who have agendas will never stop until your made to look bad for your beliefs.
maybe it is atheists who have been rebuked by Christians or attacked by so called Christians.

And for all atheists here reading this thread i can assure you that people who attack people are not Christians, so please drop your agendas with Christians. and seek with a pure heart.


But the lord tells us to stand firm and on assured foundation. people who argue and say the law is a curse to justify not having to obey the commandment are point blank atheists what ever way you look at it (sorry but its true) and if they where believers of Jesus-es word they would know this. (this is not me attacking athiests in any way)

I know that the bible says the law is a curse but that does not mean to stop obeying the commandments.

ill leave you with this

[h=3]Galatians 6:9-10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.


[h=3]2 Peter 1:10-11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[RedTent]

the world is full of internet athiests and bullies.

The reason is not what you think the reason has nothing to do with people who believe in God.
The reason is internet bullies and internet atheists.

I know people have tried to bully me nerly every time i come on, because i stand up for my beliefs to them but not no more im just ignoring them now,

I just speak Gods truth, but the other reason is there are many atheists who want to attack Christians and bring them down to the point where no longer believing anymore, that's what they slowly do over time.
they rip apart every single belief you have and that you have been grounded in with the word, they rip apart all aspects of your beliefs and they do that by ripping into peoples beliefs with part answers from other people,

im not joking but every single belief i have had has been ripped apart from the day i joined from some people who clearly hate me.
Not only that the level of mocking and bullying i have witness has never stopped towards me and others,

(Christians are told to forgive and not stay angry all day) thees people who have agendas will never stop until your made to look bad for your beliefs.
maybe it is atheists who have been rebuked by Christians or attacked by so called Christians.

And for all atheists here reading this thread i can assure you that people who attack people are not Christians, so please drop your agendas with Christians. and seek with a pure heart.


But the lord tells us to stand firm and on assured foundation. people who argue and say the law is a curse to justify not having to obey the commandment are point blank atheists what ever way you look at it (sorry but its true) and if they where believers of Jesus-es word they would know this. (this is not me attacking athiests in any way)

I know that the bible says the law is a curse but that does not mean to stop obeying the commandments.

ill leave you with this

Galatians 6:9-10

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.


2 Peter 1:10-11

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much.

It isn't that people hate us for giving the word, it is that, as Christ said, they hate Him. They attack us only when we give the word.

Demons explained themselves when they tempted Christ those 40 days in the wilderness, they use scripture to fight scripture. And like the demons did to Christ, they are always personal. Christ was to jump from a cliff because of something God said, for instance. I personally am accused of not reading a posters favorite part of scripture in response to reporting the many, many verses with one bible truth.

New Christians, and ones learning, can learn best if they eliminate all posts trying to personally say the equivalent to "you fool" to other posters. Christians don't do that. They disagree about what scripture says, that is different.

 

[Zinzerio]

Thank you so much.

It isn't that people hate us for giving the word, it is that, as Christ said, they hate Him. They attack us only when we give the word.

Demons explained themselves when they tempted Christ those 40 days in the wilderness, they use scripture to fight scripture. And like the demons did to Christ, they are always personal. Christ was to jump from a cliff because of something God said, for instance. I personally am accused of not reading a posters favorite part of scripture in response to reporting the many, many verses with one bible truth.

New Christians, and ones learning, can learn best if they eliminate all posts trying to personally say the equivalent to "you fool" to other posters. Christians don't do that. They disagree about what scripture says, that is different.

all i have to say is stand firm.
You and i know both know who our heavenly farther is and he is always watching,
The post from which i have first quoted you was not a direct response to you.
that is why most of the time i dont do quotes directly because people take it as a direct response and take it personal so most of time i don't quote i just reply. (same thing more or less but you carnt win either way with some. (is that why Jesus says don't give to dogs what is holy they will only trample it under foot.)

I dont know redtent anymore im fed up yeah maybe maybe it is demons or maybe its just the flesh, or maybe it is bad doctrines, that people take personally.

like yeah we have different denominations of course and we have peoples own ideologies but people who are christian should not take any of this stuff personally because when they do it gives Christianity a bad name because where all supposed to be one body, and not any sort of singularity.

if a team is built the right way it becomes untouchable like God

ps my first was not towards you just a generalization of the whole really.

all my beliefs that i have stem from this next post. godbless ive always like you redtent and youve always inspired me. keep up the good work

 

[Zinzerio]

New heaven new earth.

The bible began in geneis with the creations of the heavens and the earth.

It ends in the book of revelation with a vision of Gods coming new creation a new heaven and earth which all Gods people will live in peace and joy.

As his vision was reaching its conclusion John saw a final attempt by Satan to defeat Gods people.

But God triumphed over his enemy banishing him to a fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Then John saw all the people who had ever lived on earth being brought before Gods throne.
Books where opened and the dead were judged according to what they had done .

(at this point i would advice you to read Mathew 18:21-35 the parable of the unforgiving servant.)

Let us proceed. As recorded in the books Another book was opened called the book of life, was also opened those who names where not in the Book where sent to the lake of fire. (Malachi 3:13-18 the book of remembrance).

God was riding the world of the enemies who had opposed him and his people. With their defeat the whole of creation underwent a glorious transformation.

Then i saw a new heaven and a new earth
New worlds
John watched as heaven and earth completely disappeared: ,, the First heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. this can be found in rev 21:1. For Jews, the sea was a place of chaos and danger but Gods new world was to contain only peace and order.
As john watched, a city appeared in a new heaven, where God was enthroned.
It was Jerusalem but not the old city that John had know in Judea, this was a transformed Jerusalem, coming down from heaven to earth. John saw that it was radiant and pure, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband, (rev 21:2)
then John herd a loud voice, coming from Gods throne, saying, look gods dwelling place is now among the people (rev 21:3) the new Jerusalem had not been sent from God,,, God himself was coming with it.

to live in the center of his new world. then God spoke to john, telling him that his faithful people would live with him in this new world, and God would make sure that death, pain, disorder, and sin would never disrupt there live together.

There will be no more death or mourning as in grieving or crying or pain, for the old order of things as passed away, (rev 21:4).

God instructed John to write down his words because they where true.

He is the alpha and the omega, which means the beginning and the end. 21:6.

The city of gold as the vision continued, an angel carried upto an mountain over looking the new city of Jerusalem.
Every detail of the city that john could see shone with the glory of God 21:11.

The angel give John a golden measuring rod so that he could measure the size of the new Jerusalem it was huge 1400 miles in length, width and height there was plenty of room for all Gods people.

The city was constructed from pure Gold and decorated with all kinds of precious stones.

THE gates where en-scribed with the names of the 12 tribes of is-real and the walls with the names of the 12 apostles.
unlike the old city of Jerusalem, the new city was dominated by a temple. there was no need for it, the temple had been the meeting point between God who lived in Heaven and his people, who lived on earth.

But in the new Jerusalem God would live among his people heaven had come down to earth.

The river of life Through the of the city John saw a river, Flowing out from Gods throne. as the life giving water flowed through the city, it watered the trea of life.

This tree was constantly bearing fruit, all through the year, bringing healing to the nations of the world, Gods presence in the city was the source of light, so there was no longer such a thing as night and there was no need for the light of a lamp or the light of the sun (rev 22:5.) nothing impure would ever enter the city and only those whose where written in the lambs book of life (rev 21:27) would live there.

The angel turned to John and told him to remember all he had seen. It would not be long before it all happened Gods new heaven and earth where coming soon. God bless

 

[Zinzerio]

this one paragraph here is the main reason for my beliefs the new world speaks of this.
God himself was coming with the new Jerusalem it. to live in the center of his new world. then God spoke to john, telling him that his faithful people would live with him in this new world, and God would make sure that death, pain, disorder, and sin would never disrupt there live together.
to live in the center of his new world. then God spoke to john, telling him that his faithful people would live with him in this new world, and God would make sure that death, pain, disorder, and sin would never disrupt there live together.

 

[Zinzerio]

There will be no more death or mourning as in grieving or crying or pain, for the old order of things as passed away, (rev 21:4).

 

[Zinzerio]

There will be no more death or mourning as in grieving or crying or pain, for the old order of things as passed away, (rev 21:4).

[h=3]1 Corinthians 7:19-21[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Were you called while a slave? Do not be concerned about it; but if you can be made free, rather use it.

 

[RedTent]

The new kingdom and the new earth, with the devil bound, when we stay the course that is what we can look forward to! It is trying to find the road God sets our feet on as our world winds its way to the new earth!

I would love to talk to Noah about how he managed when he was living with a world a lot like the one we are in today, before the flood. I wonder if we are meant to keep trying to show God to this world, keep quoting scripture, or simply stay away, with our eyes on the Lord and not looking to the right or left!

When demons tempted Christ in the wilderness, and used scripture to tempt Him, each time Christ replied "it also says.". When we do that is when the viciousness comes out and scripture is ignored.

When you check evangelism through the ages, it hasn't been so much by preaching that the word is spread, it is by living a life as God directs. The fruits of that life is what is so appealing to people, to want some of that for themselves. If demons can convince the church that it isn't how they live as Christ directs and the law says, then it convinces the church not to be appealing. That is happening. Some polls say there are more divorces in the church than outside of it.

 

[Zinzerio]

all i can say is god wants us to give and he wants mean heartness away , he wants you to feel joy from giving.

 

[Hoffco]

Your problem is that you think because you have ten commands, You are a righteous person. When if you really understood it, there is MANY MANY more than ten commands. And on your best day you are so sinfull you could not stand in front of Christ on your own and be worthy of anything but eternal condemnation.

It is obvious the law has not led you to Christ yet, You still do not understand what it looks like to be christlike, let alone a Christian.

SOOO, You think it is "Christ like" to say you are saved by grace and by faith alone and by Christ alone and have extramarital affairs, and impregnate women.? You are duped of the Devil.
I am saved by God's powerful grace that gave me birth into His likeness, renewed in the image of Christ, God likeness: in true the knowledge of God, and in true righteousness of Heart and true holiness of actions. As Christ fulfill all the righteous requirements of the law and proved to be totally holy, separate from sinners; ALSO, we Christians are commanded to keep all the requirements of Christ's laws for us in this age. It was no different in the Old T. age. they were saved the same way, by the Blood of Chris, by Grace thru faith unto good works, as we are. Just the laws have changed, refined into more universal, for all mankind, not just for the Jews, which purpose was to make the nation of the Jews separate from the Gentiles. but no longer are the Jews separated spiritually from the Gentiles, We are together with the Jew , one body in Christ one flock , one Shepherd. Of course, now in the end time ,the nation of Israel is again physically separate from the Gentile nations. ,in God's etermal plan, of course.
Love to all. Hoffco ps, It is not having the 10 commandments, but the keeping of them ,that makes me holy in my living. If one keeps braking the 10 com. He is still in his sins, ruled by sin, not by righteousness. Paul said, "you were the slaves of sin; but not you are freed from sin and enslaved to God," and holy. thus going to Heaven, Rom.6:22-13 It is very clear! First, we are make holy by the new birth, then we will act holy . "GRACE reigns in righteousness" Rom. 5:21

 

[Kerry]

I wonder, is it what we can do for God or is it what God has done for us? Can you do anything for God that God doesn't empower you to do. Therefore is it of yourself or God?

 

[Zinzerio]

wow no wonder where in trouble

oh my goodness i just herd a evil doctrine from a person who claims to be a born again christian

He said that im born again and i still continue to lust over women and hes married now please tell me if a man is lusting over a women does that not mean when they come together he is just treating her like a rug basically. and hes preaching this too and none said anything

love is about romance when a man and a women kiss its because they love each other and then what happens in my relationship its a sacred place for me and it means something,, there is no lust because that would be treating my wife like a door mat.

 

[RedTent]

I wonder, is it what we can do for God or is it what God has done for us? Can you do anything for God that God doesn't empower you to do. Therefore is it of yourself or God?

Those thoughts apply to understanding God, but they must be expanded to include many other truths. It is the truth that it is only through God we are to work. It is the truth that God lets us choose, minute by minute, about allowing ourselves to be under God. It isn't a question of if it is ourselves or God, it is a question of understanding how it all works together.

 

[Kerry]

Wait there are more truths, Jesus said I am the truth and the light. So there's more than one Jesus? I meant, we must expand, put our stamp on something more than the cross?

 

[Kerry]

You know how to shut a law keeper? start talking about tithes.

 

[Zinzerio]

Wait there are more truths, Jesus said I am the truth and the light. So there's more than one Jesus? I meant, we must expand, put our stamp on something more than the cross?

have you ever took this thought you have into this,, moses said to God who who should i say you are and God said tell them i am thee i am ? and then in the new testament Jesus says i am the the way i am the light. have a look at this article 7 "I AM"s of Jesus - Online Scripture


Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:56,58).

 

[RedTent]

Wait there are more truths, Jesus said I am the truth and the light. So there's more than one Jesus? I meant, we must expand, put our stamp on something more than the cross?

What stupidity!! What twisting of truth!! How could each truth of God be from a different God when God is One. That reading and understanding all scripture, all of it coming for the unified God is one that scripture says, is "more than the cross". Or that hearing all of Jesus and what Jesus is, that is "more than the cross". This is a ploy by the devil to try to discount the words that God gives us to give us Christ. It is saying that only some of Christ applies, not all of it. It is trying to change our savior, our God into men's decision of him, so they can not know all of God.