AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

Zinzerio · Apr 13, 2014

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[h=3]Matthew 26:26-30[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. [SUP]28 [/SUP]This is my blood of the[SUP][a][/SUP] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. [SUP]29 [/SUP]I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

phil112 · Apr 13, 2014

Karraster said:

And once again, you attack me. I refuted what red said with scripture. Neither of you have been able to dispute what the bible says, only to jump on me because I pointed out such doctrinal errors. The sabbath is now passe, just like the law. The bible says so. You can't prove otherwise. Either prove the bible wrong or shut up about it. Jumping on me isn't furthering your cause. You and red and the rest of the sabbath keepers want to keep the sabbath? Feel free, go right ahead. Just stop saying it is because the bible says we have to, because that is, pure and simple, a lie.

Timeline · Apr 13, 2014

phil112 said:

You do know that I was talking about Jesus, right?

Karraster · Apr 13, 2014

Zinzerio said:

and we can know what those hymns were, that they sang just before going to the Mount of Olives, Psalms 113-118 has been sung for Passover since Moses. So...would 118 have been the last?
[h=3]Psalm 118[/h]King James Version (KJV)

118 O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Let them now that fear the Lord say, that his mercy endureth for ever.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I called upon the Lord in distress: the Lord answered me, and set me in a large place.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]The Lord is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Lord taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord will I destroy them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They compassed me about like bees: they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the Lord I will destroy them.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the Lord helped me.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The Lord is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The right hand of the Lord is exalted: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Lord hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the Lord:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]This gate of the Lord, into which the righteous shall enter.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Save now, I beseech thee, O Lord: O Lord, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the Lord: we have blessed you out of the house of the Lord.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]God is the Lord, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]O give thanks unto the Lord; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Zinzerio · Apr 17, 2014

Ok are we in the times of GENTILES AND NOT THE TIME OF THE jews ?? reason i say this is God likes to take his time yes and i believe it takes time to wear down a man and a women, amen..
Now lets look at Jeremiah 31:10
Now lets look at Mourning Turned to Joy
…9"With weeping they will come, And by supplication I will lead them; I will make them walk by streams of waters, On a straight path in which they will not stumble; For I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn." 10Hear the word of the LORD, O nations, And declare in the coastlands afar off, And say, "He who scattered Israel will gather him And keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock." 11For the LORD has ransomed Jacob And redeemed him from the hand of him who was stronger than he.…

Now this scripture above was wrote in Hebrew yes so gentiles would not be able to understand this and it was not for some time to come before the first Hebrew had been translated to Greek, (So if God wanted to complete the gentile first he would of made sure there was a Greek translation at the same time as the Hebrew.) God is patient when he decides to ask you to do something he will ask you. now Greek translations came after the Hebrew so it my belief we are in the times of the gentile and messianic Jew is complete.. and i see this i see one day the messianic Jew will out number the JEW and when that happens all our governments will be reformed amen.

Zinzerio · Apr 17, 2014

Psalm 110:3

…2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies." 3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."…

this is a prayer for restoration of Gods army the messianic JEW pray for the peace of jeruselem and pray that the jewish people come to know the prince of peace.

Zinzerio · Apr 17, 2014

Zinzerio said:

Psalm 110:3

…2The LORD will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies." 3Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power; In holy array, from the womb of the dawn, Your youth are to You as the dew. 4The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."…

this is a prayer for restoration of Gods army the messianic JEW pray for the peace of jeruselem and pray that the jewish people come to know the prince of peace.

So to my next question am i a messianic Jew or a Jew if i keep the commandments

nomos10 · Apr 18, 2014

danschance said:

1.the sabbath is part of the moral law ,the ten commandments
2.Christians should keep the ten commandments.

nomos10 · Apr 18, 2014

Zinzerio said:

ROM 2:28,29

JaumeJ · Apr 18, 2014

Yes, he is a praiser of Yah (Jew) who resects the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This would be a true praiser of God. Obey the Commandments of our Maker..............

Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Kerry · Apr 18, 2014

To all of your post, The question is where is your faith. If your faith is in what you do, then failure is your only option. If your faith is in the work of the cross and only in the work of the cross then you will have victory as the Holy Spirit will produce fruit in you and through. It is impossible to keep Gods word with out the Holy Spirit and the only to get His help is through faith in the cross and not what you are doing. That's why He gave us the cross.

JaumeJ · Apr 18, 2014

If one has faith because of Jesus, Yeshua, he will do and not just talk. It is fine and good to praise God with the lips, but the heart must honor Him also.

Anyone who teaches against the least of these will be least in the Kingdom. I believe Yeshua, and it is not a burden to obey Him as best possible. He is my perfection, but people who question others' obedience already know all of this.

Go ahead and put all on trial in your mind for wanting to please God, but this will not change the will of our Maker.

People are sharing the Good News here as understood from the Master. What He teaches is always good. No flesh has been given to change any of His Gospel, so no matter how one reads and interprets writings since the Twelve, it does not change the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that is, Yeshua, amen.

Zinzerio · Apr 18, 2014

thank you amen happy good Friday,, beautiful post thank you so very much for the beautiful words of encouragement in jeses yeshua God of Abraham God of Isac farther of Isreal , And Ephraim his firstborn peace in the name of our farther

woohoooo

phil112 · Apr 18, 2014

nomos10 said:

Interesting that people that observe the sabbath and the law, who also claim to be bible believers, never quote the New Testament for support of such doctrine.

JaumeJ · Apr 18, 2014

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ask yourself, "What do I teach?"

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Do you have the commandments of the Lord inscribed on your heart?

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Keep the commandments of God, as did Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

The ceremonial laws mean nothing, but the laws governing morality, love and faith in the Lord are eternal.

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Stay away from rules, ordinances, laws, and commandments of the flesh, and obey God, amen.

2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The Apostles were imitators of the Lord, Yeshua. How do you suppose they would entertain teaching against the Commandments. If you obey the two great laws of love, you will obey the Commandments for they are contained in the two great laws.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Do you say you abide in Jesus, Yeshua? If so, then walk as He did, obeying the Commandments.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

His commandments are grievous to those who have itching ears only believing and teaching what is pleasing to their lustful desires.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Keep the commandments of Yahweh, oh, and the faith of Yeshua.

phil112 · Apr 18, 2014

JaumeJ said:

If you obey those 2 the commandments do not apply to you. If you love the Lord and your neighbor, you would never consider doing anything to hurt them. Obeying the law means rejecting anything that the law convicts.
You don't understand what that means. Love prevents such a suggestion from being a consideration.
Law prevents you from letting such a suggestion be followed after you have considered it.

You want to provide scripture for that?

JaumeJ · Apr 18, 2014

You have taken one small part of what is posted, the part which suits your manner of being, while ignoring the entire body of the post. This is typical of many who do not read all of the Word, yet quote verses out of context. If you walk as did your professed Lord, you will follow His Example, and He obeyed the Commandments. The Ten Commandments are just as valid today as ever. As for the Two Great Laws, the Ten are contained therein, which includes honoring God by recognizing the order of HIs works creating all that is. This may be hard for some to see, although it is obvious to God's Children.

Answer to the post, not just a line or two with your version of understanding. If this were permissible, Satan would have a field day.

phil112 said:

JaumeJ said:

Zinzerio · Apr 18, 2014

Amen can not add anymore to the above thread apart from its the spirit that helps you with this and it can not be done by man alone,,
[h=3]Jesus promises the Holy Spirit[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]‘If you love me, keep my commands. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you for ever – [SUP]17 [/SUP]the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP][a][/SUP] in you.

The farther will help you, through a sincere heart asking the lord to help you, amen. God bless..

phil112 · Apr 18, 2014

JaumeJ said:

If you are erroneous in one part, why should I address the whole post? It doesn't suit your "manner of being" is where your problem lies. Law keepers as yourself get irritated with anyone that asks for biblical support of your stance.

You said "they are contained in the two great laws".
I asked you where the bible says that and you posted a bunch of scripture that does no such thing. Show me where the bible says what you say it does. You know, without me telling you, that adding to or taking from, the Word of God is a bad thing.

Hizikyah · Apr 18, 2014

Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

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