I was afraid that it might spark differences between post trib. /pre trib. stances (I'm post trib.,pre wrath,pre mill.) but if you consider to whom and why I made my comments about those who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah(Jewish) and those who do(Christians) it is the best way I thought to give an example of the two in prophecy/history(to show that Jews in the revolt cannot fulfill things written of Christians) ,,,,we already have post/pre threads...
Fair enough, the context of your convo differed slightly from what aspect I was covering, nevertheless I still thought it okay to respond in the manner I did because some readers cannot see how anyone
other than "us [the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY]" is being spoken of in that phrase you presented ("for His names sake')... and possibly because I had fresh on my mind what I'd posted elsewhere earlier
:
[quoting my post, and not especially the last paragraph
]
"Forty Reasons for Not Reinterpreting the OT by the NT: The Last Twenty" - by Dr Paul Martin Henebury
33. It ignores the life-setting of the disciples’ question in Acts 1:6 in the context of their already having had forty days teaching about the very thing they asked about (“the kingdom” – see Acts 1:3). This reflects badly on the clarity of the Risen Lord’s teaching about the kingdom. But the tenacity with which these disciples
still clung to literal fulfillments would also prove the validity of #’s 23, 26, 27, 28 & 32 above.
34. This resistance to
the clear expectation of the disciples also ignores the question of the disciples, which was about
the timing of the restoration of the kingdom to Israel,
not its nature.
https://sharperiron.org/article/fort...nt-last-twenty
[underline mine]
Acts 1:6 [blb] -
"So indeed those having come together were asking Him, saying, "Lord,
at this time are you restoring the kingdom to Israel?"
Acts 3:21 [blb] - [Peter, in the chpt where he's pointing out to them how they'd overlooked or bypassed the "Suffering Servant" aspects [vv.13,26 "His Servant Jesus"] of His [first] Advent, thus themselves having hand in fulfilling that very thing]
"21 whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things
of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [in contrast to those things He necessarily had kept secret, or "hidden in God," until AFTER Jesus' crucifixion, 1Cor2:8, etc]
During the future tribulation period, it will be Israel [Israel's role] who will be doing the specific "INVITING TO" the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" [which is
on the earth, commencing upon His "RETURN"
to the earth, Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 (note:
not our Rapture "IN THE AIR" which pertains solely to "the Church
which is His body" Eph1:20-23 [note
when])]
Believers ["the Church which is His body" presently] sometimes have a habit of "reading themselves into" passages which pertain to "Israel" (Israel's future things), thus blurring things together which are distinct.
[end of quoting that post]
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So, to your point though, this also brings up the
"sequence" issues of the Olivet Discourse (the fact that the Spirit's deliberate placement of Luke 21:
32's "ALL"
AFTER v.24's "and they shall be led away captive into all the nations" [means that THIS TOO MUST BE INCLUDED / TAKE PLACE (in the "ALL")] ; and the fact that "the beginning of birth pangs" must come AFTER the 70ad events, as I've pointed out in previous posts)
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