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Need to repost it again, It is all within quotes
Posting and typing is not easy when you have essential tremor lol....

Prophecies of the Major Prophets About the Millennium
Jeremiah
pictures the Millennium as a time when Israel and Judah will be united in peace, and the city of Jerusalem will be called “The Throne of the Lord” (Jeremiah 3:17-18). Jesus, “the righteous Branch,” will “reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land” (Jeremiah 23:5). And because of His new role as king, the name of Jesus will be changed to Yahweh-Tsidkenu, meaning, “The Lord is our righteousness” (Jeremiah 23:6).

David, in his glorified body, will serve as the king of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9), and all the enemies of Israel will be destroyed (Jeremiah 30:11). The city of Jerusalem and the Temple will be rebuilt (Jeremiah 30:18), and the population will be multiplied (Jeremiah 30:19). The mourning of the Jewish people will be turned into joy (Jeremiah 31:13).

The Jewish people will repent of the rejection of their Messiah and will enter into a new covenant with God that will be written on their hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-34 and 32:37-40). The streets of Jerusalem will be filled with “the voice of joy and the voice of gladness…”(Jeremiah 33:11).


Ezekiel confirms that the Jewish people will enter into a new covenant with God that will be written on their hearts (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 16:60-62). He also confirms that the Lord will guarantee their security and will “execute judgments upon all who scorn them round about them” (Ezekiel 28:26). The land of Egypt will be particularly punished for its treatment of Israel and will remain a desolation during the first 40 years of the Millennium (Ezekiel 29:9-16).

Ezekiel also confirms that David will be made king of Israel (Ezekiel 34:23-24 and 37:24). The Lord will pour out “showers of blessings” on Israel, including agricultural abundance (Ezekiel 34:26-29) and the rebuilding of their Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-27). The result is that the Lord’s glory will be set among the nations (Ezekiel 39:21).

From chapter 40 through chapter 46, Ezekiel focuses on describing the Millennial Temple. It is much larger than any of the previous Jewish temples, and the Holy of Holies in the Temple contains no ark. Jeremiah had already prophesied that the ark would not be rebuilt or remembered (Jeremiah 3:16).

One of Ezekiel’s end time prophecies that has already been fulfilled relates to the Eastern Gate. He says it will be shut up and will not be reopened until the Messiah returns (Ezekiel 44:1-3). The gate was closed in the 1500’s and remains closed to this day.

Ezekiel reveals that part of the redemption of nature will be the conversion of the Dead Sea into a sea of fresh water (Ezekiel 47:8-9). He concludes his book by telling how the redeemed and greatly expanded land of Israel will be divided among the 12 tribes (Ezekiel 48).

Daniel’s end time prophecies focus on the Tribulation and the Antichrist. His first mention of the Millennium occurs in chapter 2 where he interprets the dream of Nebuchadnezzar about the sequence of Gentile empires. He reveals that the last Gentile empire will be destroyed by the return of the Messiah and the establishment of His kingdom “which will never be destroyed” (Daniel 2:44-45).

In chapter 7, Daniel emphasizes that the Redeemed will reign with the Messiah: “Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One…” (Daniel 7:27). Daniel concludes his book by indicating there will be an interregnum of 75 days between the time of the Lord’s return and the establishment of His worldwide government (Daniel 12:11-12). This is most likely the period of time when the Messiah will judge all those left alive at the end of the Tribulation to determine whether or not they will enter the Millennium in the flesh. This time period will also likely be used to organize the Messiah’s government, part of which will be to make governing assignments to the Redeemed who will be in glorified bodies.

Prophecies of the Minor Prophets About the Millennium
Hosea
talks about how God will use the Millennium to fulfill all the promises He has made to the Jewish people (Hosea 1:10-11, 2:14-20, and 14:4-7).

He confirms that God will establish peace in the animal kingdom and peace between the nations (Hosea 2:18). And he makes it clear that God’s blessings will also be poured out on the Gentiles (Hosea 2:23).

Hosea’s most fascinating prophecy has to do with the timing of the Lord’s return. He indicates that it will be “two days” after His ascension into Heaven (Hosea 5:15 – 6:2). The context of the passage indicates that the two days represent 2,000 years. Hosea says that after the two days, the Messiah “will raise us up” (the resurrection) that “we may live before Him” for “the third day” (the 1,000 years of the Millennium).

Joel’s end time prophecies focus mainly on “the day of the Lord” which, in his context, is the day of the Messiah’s Second Coming (Joel 1:15, 2:1,13 and 3:14). But he does give us a glimpse of the Millennium when he states that when the Messiah returns, He will dwell “in Zion, My holy mountain” and that Jerusalem will be characterized by holiness (Joel 3:17,21). He also confirms that the land will be revitalized for great agricultural production: “The mountains will drip with sweet wine, and the hills will flow with milk, and all the brooks of Judah will flow with water” (Joel 3:18). He also affirms that Egypt will be a desolation (Joel 3:19).

Amos presents a picture of the Messiah returning as a roaring lion (Amos 1:2). The only thing he has to say about the Millennium is that it will be characterized by agricultural abundance (Amos 9:14) — so much so that “the plowman will overtake the reaper” (Amos 9:13).

Obadiah’s only significant comment about the Millennium is his statement that it will be characterized by holiness (Obadiah 17).

Jonah has nothing to say about the Millennium.

Micah begins his prophecy with a vision of the Second Coming (Micah 1:3-4). Regarding the Millennium, Micah presents a glorious vision of it and does so in words that are almost identical with Isaiah’s (Micah 4:1-7 and Isaiah 2:2-4). He emphasizes the peace and prosperity that will characterize the Millennium (Micah 4:3-4). He also underlines the promise of God that He will make the Jewish people the primary nation of the world during the Millennium (Micah 4:6-7).

Nahum echoes Joel by focusing his prophecies on “the day of the Lord” (Nahum 1:1-8). The only thing he has to say with regard to the Millennium is that the Jewish people will enjoy perfect peace (Nahum 1:15) and the splendor of their nation will be restored (Nahum 2:2).

Habakkuk begins his book by assuring the reader that God will be faithful to send the Messiah back “at the appointed time” (Habakkuk 2:3). He follows that by presenting a very dramatic vision of the Second Coming (Habakkuk 3:3-13). He does not have anything to say about the Millennium.

Zephaniah begins his book by presenting a powerful and frightening vision about the Second Coming (Zephaniah 1:14-18). He concludes his book with a brief prophecy about the Millennium (Zephaniah 3:14-20). He reveals that the Lord will regather all believing Jews back to the land of Israel and that He will live in their midst (Zephaniah 3:17-20). And he promises that God will make the Jewish nation the prime nation of the world (Zephaniah 3:20).

Haggai asserts that at the time of the Second Coming, God will shake the heavens and earth (Haggai 2:6-7), overthrowing all Gentile kingdoms (Haggai 2:22). The wealth of the nations will be transferred to Jerusalem, and the Temple will be rebuilt in glory (Haggai 2:7). And then, using Zerubbabel, the governor of Judah, as a prophetic type of the Messiah, Haggai says that God will give him His “signet ring” — meaning that he will become the King of kings and Lord of lords (Haggai 2:23).

Zechariah says that the Lord “will return to Jerusalem” and will rebuild the Temple (Zechariah 1:16). He calls upon the Jewish people to “sing for joy and be glad” because the Lord has told him that “I am coming and I will dwell in your midst” (Zechariah 2:10).

Concerning the nature of the Lord’s reign, Zechariah says He will be “a priest on His throne,” confirming that the government will be a theocracy (Zechariah 6:12-13). The city of Jerusalem will be called “The City of Truth” and “The Holy Mountain” (Zechariah 8:3). Believing Jews will be regathered from all over the world (Zechariah 9:14-17), and the population of Jerusalem will live in peace and prosperity (Zechariah 8:8,12). The Jewish people will be so greatly blessed that when a Jew walks by, ten Gentiles will grab his robe and say, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you” (Zechariah 8:23).

Zechariah further states that during the Millennium, all the nations of the world will be required to send delegations to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (Zechariah 14:16). Those nations that fail to do so will receive no rain (Zechariah 14:17-18).

Zechariah concludes his book by emphasizing the holiness that will abound during the Millennium. He says that the bells on the horses’ bridles will be engraved with the words, “Holy to the Lord” (Zechariah 14:20-21).

Malachi contains several passages about the Second Coming, but the only thing it says about the Millennium is that the name of the Lord “will be great among the nations”(Malachi 1:11).

https://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-millennium-in-the-old-testament/
 
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Posting and typing is not easy when you have essential tremor lol....

Prophecies of the Major Prophets About the Millennium
Jeremiah
pictures the Millennium as a time when Israel and Judah will be united in peace, and the city of Jerusalem will be called “The Throne of the Lord” (Jeremiah 3:17-18). Jesus, “the righteous Branch,” will “reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land” (Jeremiah 23:5). And because of His new role as king, the name of Jesus will be changed to Yahweh-Tsidkenu, meaning, “The Lord is our righteousness” (Jeremiah 23:6).

David, in his glorified body, will serve as the king of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9), and all the enemies of Israel will be destroyed (Jeremiah 30:11). The city of Jerusalem and the Temple will be rebuilt (Jeremiah 30:18), and the population will be multiplied (Jeremiah 30:19). The mourning of the Jewish people will be turned into joy (Jeremiah 31:13).

The Jewish people will repent of the rejection of their Messiah and will enter into a new covenant with God that will be written on their hearts (Jeremiah 31:31-34 and 32:37-40). The streets of Jerusalem will be filled with “the voice of joy and the voice of gladness…”(Jeremiah 33:11).


Ezekiel confirms that the Jewish people will enter into a new covenant with God that will be written on their hearts (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 16:60-62). He also confirms that the Lord will guarantee their security and will “execute judgments upon all who scorn them round about them” (Ezekiel 28:26). The land of Egypt will be particularly punished for its treatment of Israel and will remain a desolation during the first 40 years of the Millennium (Ezekiel 29:9-16).

Ezekiel also confirms that David will be made king of Israel (Ezekiel 34:23-24 and 37:24). The Lord will pour out “showers of blessings” on Israel, including agricultural abundance (Ezekiel 34:26-29) and the rebuilding of their Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-27). The result is that the Lord’s glory will be set among the nations (Ezekiel 39:21).

From chapter 40 through chapter 46, Ezekiel focuses on describing the Millennial Temple. It is much larger than any of the previous Jewish temples, and the Holy of Holies in the Temple contains no ark. Jeremiah had already prophesied that the ark would not be rebuilt or remembered (Jeremiah 3:16).

One of Ezekiel’s end time prophecies that has already been fulfilled relates to the Eastern Gate. He says it will be shut up and will not be reopened until the Messiah returns (Ezekiel 44:1-3). The gate was closed in the 1500’s and remains closed to this day.

Ezekiel reveals that part of the redemption of nature will be the conversion of the Dead Sea into a sea of fresh water (Ezekiel 47:8-9). He concludes his book by telling how the redeemed and greatly expanded land of Israel will be divided among the 12 tribes (Ezekiel 48).

Daniel’s end time prophecies focus on the Tribulation and the Antichrist. His first mention of the Millennium occurs in chapter 2 where he interprets the dream of Nebuchadnezzar about the sequence of Gentile empires. He reveals that the last Gentile empire will be destroyed by the return of the Messiah and the establishment of His kingdom “which will never be destroyed” (Daniel 2:44-45).

In chapter 7, Daniel emphasizes that the Redeemed will reign with the Messiah: “Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One…” (Daniel 7:27). Daniel concludes his book by indicating there will be an interregnum of 75 days between the time of the Lord’s return and the establishment of His worldwide government (Daniel 12:11-12). This is most likely the period of time when the Messiah will judge all those left alive at the end of the Tribulation to determine whether or not they will enter the Millennium in the flesh. This time period will also likely be used to organize the Messiah’s government, part of which will be to make governing assignments to the Redeemed who will be in glorified bodies.

Prophecies of the Minor Prophets About the Millennium
Hosea
talks about how God will use the Millennium to fulfill all the promises He has made to the Jewish people (Hosea 1:10-11, 2:14-20, and 14:4-7).

He confirms that God will establish peace in the animal kingdom and peace between the nations (Hosea 2:18). And he makes it clear that God’s blessings will also be poured out on the Gentiles (Hosea 2:23).

Hosea’s most fascinating prophecy has to do with the timing of the Lord’s return. He indicates that it will be “two days” after His ascension into Heaven (Hosea 5:15 – 6:2). The context of the passage indicates that the two days represent 2,000 years. Hosea says that after the two days, the Messiah “will raise us up” (the resurrection) that “we may live before Him” for “the third day” (the 1,000 years of the Millennium).

Joel’s end time prophecies focus mainly on “the day of the Lord” which, in his context, is the day of the Messiah’s Second Coming (Joel 1:15, 2:1,13 and 3:14). But he does give us a glimpse of the Millennium when he states that when the Messiah returns, He will dwell “in Zion, My holy mountain” and that Jerusalem will be characterized by holiness (Joel 3:17,21). He also confirms that the land will be revitalized for great agricultural production: “The mountains will drip with sweet wine, and the hills will flow with milk, and all the brooks of Judah will flow with water” (Joel 3:18). He also affirms that Egypt will be a desolation (Joel 3:19).

Amos presents a picture of the Messiah returning as a roaring lion (Amos 1:2). The only thing he has to say about the Millennium is that it will be characterized by agricultural abundance (Amos 9:14) — so much so that “the plowman will overtake the reaper” (Amos 9:13).

Obadiah’s only significant comment about the Millennium is his statement that it will be characterized by holiness (Obadiah 17).

Jonah has nothing to say about the Millennium.

Micah begins his prophecy with a vision of the Second Coming (Micah 1:3-4). Regarding the Millennium, Micah presents a glorious vision of it and does so in words that are almost identical with Isaiah’s (Micah 4:1-7 and Isaiah 2:2-4). He emphasizes the peace and prosperity that will characterize the Millennium (Micah 4:3-4). He also underlines the promise of God that He will make the Jewish people the primary nation of the world during the Millennium (Micah 4:6-7).

Nahum echoes Joel by focusing his prophecies on “the day of the Lord” (Nahum 1:1-8). The only thing he has to say with regard to the Millennium is that the Jewish people will enjoy perfect peace (Nahum 1:15) and the splendor of their nation will be restored (Nahum 2:2).

Habakkuk begins his book by assuring the reader that God will be faithful to send the Messiah back “at the appointed time” (Habakkuk 2:3). He follows that by presenting a very dramatic vision of the Second Coming (Habakkuk 3:3-13). He does not have anything to say about the Millennium.

Zephaniah begins his book by presenting a powerful and frightening vision about the Second Coming (Zephaniah 1:14-18). He concludes his book with a brief prophecy about the Millennium (Zephaniah 3:14-20). He reveals that the Lord will regather all believing Jews back to the land of Israel and that He will live in their midst (Zephaniah 3:17-20). And he promises that God will make the Jewish nation the prime nation of the world (Zephaniah 3:20).

Haggai asserts that at the time of the Second Coming, God will shake the heavens and earth (Haggai 2:6-7), overthrowing all Gentile kingdoms (Haggai 2:22). The wealth of the nations will be transferred to Jerusalem, and the Temple will be rebuilt in glory (Haggai 2:7). And then, using Zerubbabel, the governor of Judah, as a prophetic type of the Messiah, Haggai says that God will give him His “signet ring” — meaning that he will become the King of kings and Lord of lords (Haggai 2:23).

Zechariah says that the Lord “will return to Jerusalem” and will rebuild the Temple (Zechariah 1:16). He calls upon the Jewish people to “sing for joy and be glad” because the Lord has told him that “I am coming and I will dwell in your midst” (Zechariah 2:10).

Concerning the nature of the Lord’s reign, Zechariah says He will be “a priest on His throne,” confirming that the government will be a theocracy (Zechariah 6:12-13). The city of Jerusalem will be called “The City of Truth” and “The Holy Mountain” (Zechariah 8:3). Believing Jews will be regathered from all over the world (Zechariah 9:14-17), and the population of Jerusalem will live in peace and prosperity (Zechariah 8:8,12). The Jewish people will be so greatly blessed that when a Jew walks by, ten Gentiles will grab his robe and say, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you” (Zechariah 8:23).

Zechariah further states that during the Millennium, all the nations of the world will be required to send delegations to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (Zechariah 14:16). Those nations that fail to do so will receive no rain (Zechariah 14:17-18).

Zechariah concludes his book by emphasizing the holiness that will abound during the Millennium. He says that the bells on the horses’ bridles will be engraved with the words, “Holy to the Lord” (Zechariah 14:20-21).

Malachi contains several passages about the Second Coming, but the only thing it says about the Millennium is that the name of the Lord “will be great among the nations”(Malachi 1:11).

https://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-millennium-in-the-old-testament/
Thanks bro. Yes, I have that all the time, and usually do not catch it until it is past the 5 minutes..lol
 
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Amillenism is the rejection of the belief that Jesus will have a literal, thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth

I would think we should be careful not to offend the holy place unseen place of God's glory. God is not a man as us and Jesus as the Son of man refused to be glorified as good as if God was a man as us. (Job 9:32-33) The word good God's trademark (and it was good) puts a face on our good God, Christ Jesus.

The Son of man Jesus would not stand in that holy place but rather said only God, (not seen) is good. Doing that to establish his law of faith as it is written . .

Jesus alone as the Son of man was born into a corruptible body typified as sinful as that needed to put away sin in the flesh of children of light. By that work of His faith we are raised from death to new spirt life. Jesus as the Son of man had the eternal Spirit of Christ as the Son of God in Him but not of fallen mankind the temporal . The Spirit that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure,. But is not in respect to the things seen the temporal, us.

Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Sinful flesh was needed for the one time demonstration. Coming as a vision (no flesh and blood) like using Melchezedek, a theophany in the Old testament would not of worked to serve the purpose of flesh typified as sinful. Flesh corrupted or dead in a process of dying. Jesus did not have that spirit given temporarily to man as the first order.

A question I would ask. If the one time promised demonstration (Isaiah 53) of God's unseen working pouring out his Spirit on corrupted flesh as promised to Joel . Why would a person think Eternal Spirit would put on corrupted flesh for another demonstration?

That would seem to point towards the idea of those in Hebrews 6, crucifying Christ over and over exposing Christ to the worldly shame as if that one demonstration was not enough for men to believe.

Christ in us are already here reigning with the saints. Will he cloth himself in flesh again? Will the veil be mended ?

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:16-17

The idea of the Son of man literally as that seen, literally walking by sight reigning here on this literal earth which will go up in smoke. it is simply not a way to look for the things not seen . The faithless, atheistic Jews performed that turning the proper manner of spirit upside down taking away the understanding of God in that same way (Isaiah 29:16)and giving it as oral traditions of men

The previous chapter 2 Corinthians 4 informs us on how we can reign with Christ by faith.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18
 
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Prophecies of the Major Prophets About the Millennium
Jeremiah
pictures the Millennium as a time when Israel and Judah will be united in peace, and the city of Jerusalem will be called “The Throne of the Lord” (Jeremiah 3:17-18). Jesus, “the righteous Branch,” will “reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land” (Jeremiah 23:5). And because of His new role as king, the name of Jesus will be changed to Yahweh-Tsidkenu, meaning, “The Lord is our righteousness” (Jeremiah 23:6).
That is a picture of the new heavenly Jerusalem, the city of Christ, called Zion.. She is shown in Revelation 21 coming down prepared as the bride of Christ the church

Before the time of reformation His eternal bride was called as his people a Jew or a Israelite. Having those names in respect to that seen the temporal flesh and in respect to that not seen .Outward Jew as that seen and inward Jew, the faith principle. The same with Israel..... not all Israel is Israel, as a inward Jew born of the Spirit of Christ, the incorruptible seed. Some have the corrupted gentile seed( natural unconverted man) .

Isiah 62 devotes the whole chapter to describing the bride, the church, he promises her a new name . the name he did when he name her in Acts. A befitting name. The word Christian without any other meaning added to in which could influence the understanding. He named us Christians meaning ; "residents of the city of Christ" as the bride the church named after its founder Christ. The perfect choice for her name.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. Isaiah 62

David will not be re incarnated and neither will the dust of the temple. The time of reformation has come.
 
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Yes this thread is full of Christians that some call Calvinist. Calvin is dead. How are they 100% Demon Possessed puppet of Satan. Do they summon the dead?




I was wrong, forgive me.

I keep reading where Calvin was a tyrant, thought his words were equal to God, did not stop people from praising and worshiping him, etc, etc, etc... So, I used something attached to Calvin, and then came at those who follow Calvin in the SAME MANNERISM Calvin is being described by my internet engine search...and I've read similar views towards Calvin from posters on this very site.

Little did I ever know the backlash it would create and cause.

And yes, my own suspicions were answered, but still, I am sorry to anyone who follows Calvin.


And lets be open minded for just one moment here (because this is the point I thought was interesting):
God forbid, but let's say the claims about Calvin are factual (the abomination acts).
I found it somewhat disturbing and hilarious, thinking, if Calvin did these things and churches unknowingly built their foundational principles on someone who lived a life committing abominations. And today preach against those abominations. seems like a full circle procession of hypocrisy after hypocrisy.

And I agree, an abomination needs to be preached against. But, if the abomination you preach against, was the same abomination being committed by the person whose views you built your principles upon, just exactly how twisted is that?


But, that is what I did.
And I apologize because I had no real idea just how important Calvin still is to some.
 
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And why would we need a temple?
Who said we did?

For that matter. When did we ever need a temple? There was no temple for most of Israels time..
 
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I'm pretty sure that the temple spoken of in Jeremiah 30:18 is the one that Nehemiah spoke of and was rebuilt after the Babylonian captivity, the two southern tribes were carried away in 586 BC, then Nehemiah led them back to rebuild the city and temple.
 

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And why would we need a temple?
Good question. Read Ezekiel chaps 40-48 and ask God 'why such things as...' as gates, inner courts, vestibules, an altar, feasts, offerings, a temple, the land, the 12 tribes etc?'
 
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Who said we did?

For that matter. When did we ever need a temple? There was no temple for most of Israels time..
In the dispensational pre-mill, pre-trib rapture theory there needs to be a rebuilt temple in the new literal millennial reign of Christ correct?

According to dispensationalists, the millennium will be a period of history in which God reverts back to fulfilling His Old Testament promises made to ethnic Israel, after this modern “Church Age” in which we live today is concluded. As such, the millennium will be a state of Jewish dominion over all the world, along with a newly restored Jewish temple and priesthood.

https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensational-premillennialism.html
 
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Good question. Read Ezekiel chaps 40-48 and ask God 'why such things as...' as gates, inner courts, vestibules, an altar, feasts, offerings, a temple, the land, the 12 tribes etc?'
So do you believe prophecy points to new physical temple in the literal millennium?
 

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So do you believe prophecy points to new physical temple in the literal millennium?
Most likely, where Jesus our Prophet, Priest and King will rule from. But as I told another person, I have never heard a sermon or teaching on those chapters.
 
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If Jesus is ruling in the upcoming millennium with the old laws in place, this puts into question Christians who are not circumcised at odds with the templetons.

Also we then have Paul's statement about physical circumcision being invalidated
 

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If Jesus is ruling in the upcoming millennium with the old laws in place, this puts into question Christians who are not circumcised at odds with the templetons.

Also we then have Paul's statement about physical circumcision being invalidated
Who said they were 'old laws'? Besides what do you do with Ezek 40-48?
 
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The temple will be built again. The last temple was built by Herod if I'm not mistaken. Israel has been getting ready for yrs to rebuild and resume.
Jesus is to sit in the seat of David and to rule for a thousand yrs. This fulfills prophecy of the restoration of the earth. Where the deserts come to life and the mountains shall be lowered.
The second coming is for Israel and their salvation. And they looked on him that was pierced.
We do not need a temple. Our body is our temple.
Some has suggested that offerings and sacrifice will still be done as a reminder of what the Lord tried to tell Israel.
The Jews will see to the needs of the Lord and we will serve in other capacities.
There will be some that survived the tribulation that is why Satan is loosed for a season. After which the great throne judgement takes place.
 
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Who said they were 'old laws'? Besides what do you do with Ezek 40-48?
Good question.

(Ezekiel 44:9 this is what the sovereign LORD says: No foreigner, who is uncircumcised in heart and flesh among all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, will enter into my sanctuary.)

The above seems to be in direct contradiction to what Paul says about circumcision in the flesh.
 

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The temple will be built again. The last temple was built by Herod if I'm not mistaken. Israel has been getting ready for yrs to rebuild and resume.
Jesus is to sit in the seat of David and to rule for a thousand yrs. This fulfills prophecy of the restoration of the earth. Where the deserts come to life and the mountains shall be lowered.
The second coming is for Israel and their salvation. And they looked on him that was pierced.
We do not need a temple. Our body is our temple.
Some has suggested that offerings and sacrifice will still be done as a reminder of what the Lord tried to tell Israel.
The Jews will see to the needs of the Lord and we will serve in other capacities.
There will be some that survived the tribulation that is why Satan is loosed for a season. After which the great throne judgement takes place.
I think the next temple to be built will be the one that the antichrist steps in and announces he is god. But that is a different one than the one described in Ezek chaps 40-48.
 

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Good question.

(Ezekiel 44:9 this is what the sovereign LORD says: No foreigner, who is uncircumcised in heart and flesh among all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, will enter into my sanctuary.)

The above seems to be in direct contradiction to what Paul says about circumcision in the flesh.
Of course there is this...

Philippians 3:3 (KJV) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
 
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Of course there is this...

Philippians 3:3 (KJV) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
He's not speaking to physical circumcision.

In regards to a third temple I don't see the new testament (gospels, letters, or John's Apocalypse) mentioning one.
 

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He's not speaking to physical circumcision.

In regards to a third temple I don't see the new testament (gospels, letters, or John's Apocalypse) mentioning one.
Right, that passage wasn't speaking to physical circumcision either.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.