An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

[godlovejoy]

Where does the Scripture state "but the Saints are taken up a little before the.End of the tribulation period."
Peace

Well off the top of my head this group is also the Two Witnesses anointed by God and they give their testimony for a time doing great exploits on the earth and the beast overcomes them....they lie dead in the street Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them (another picture of the chosen Resurrecting) This takes place at the last (7th) trumpet right here:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And also Rev 12 explains the church (Gods believers) in the wilderness protected from the dragon and the man child (another name for the same group of Gods chosen) overcome by the dragon and are caught up to the throne (describing the resurrection).
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

.Rev 7 Shows the 144,000 chosen and the group that can’t be measured washing their robes clean in the tribulation. The tribulation will be a great test for all believers to not take the mark of the beast even if it means you must die....

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Can you find in the NT Letters where this 'fig leaf' covering is a failure and a rebellion against God?

No! Show me.

 

[DavidTree]

Well off the top of my head this group is also the Two Witnesses anointed by God and they give their testimony for a time doing great exploits on the earth and the beast overcomes them....they lie dead in the street Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them (another picture of the chosen Resurrecting) This takes place at the last (7th) trumpet right here:
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And also Rev 12 explains the church (Gods believers) in the wilderness protected from the dragon and the man child (another name for the same group of Gods chosen) overcome by the dragon and are caught up to the throne (describing the resurrection).
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

.Rev 7 Shows the 144,000 chosen and the group that can’t be measured washing their robes clean in the tribulation. The tribulation will be a great test for all believers to not take the mark of the beast even if it means you must die....

Please let me know where in the Gospels and letters/writings of the Apostles when the Saints are taken up to heaven.

Revelation is not written in strict chronological order, according to our understanding, as it repeats Itself.
Revelation is given to us and is in accordance to what is written in the Prophets, the Gospel and the Apostles.

You are correct in that the number 7 reveals completion in Revelation.

 

[godlovejoy]

There were ten virgins and the only distinction between them was a matter of wisdom or foolishness expressed as having sufficient oil in their lamps.

To your response to myself @#285. Show me again from the Scripture where the Levite priests were sealed in their foreheads. I cited four verses @#270 that gave you a reason to know what I am saying - but you cannot see it. Why is that, sister. Why can you not see that your testimony is your own and cannot be a basis for inciting a curse of God on others. Yet you go on to specutavily as another if you are an Apostle. Come to the mark, sister.

Seriously Sir....are you in any position to judge my Apostleship, my Testimony? Only God is the Judge of me He made me he formed me into an Apostle. You must think your God to even dare to Judge His anointed.....to the measure you judge with the same measure God will judge you. If you don’t believe so be it! But do not judge you will put yourself in danger....just put your focus elsewhere but I warn you in love to keep silent concerning me...

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Sow a thought; reap an act. Sow an act; reap a habit. Sow a habit; reap a character.

Touche! This is dope. However I just wanna add that for a lot of people, act comes first by following other people's examples, then habit and character. By age 30 a character is already developed, then thoughts begin to form to explain and justify the existing behavior pattern.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Seriously Sir....are you in any position to judge my Apostleship, my Testimony? Only God is the Judge of me He made me he formed me into an Apostle. You must think your God to even dare to Judge His anointed.....to the measure you judge with the same measure God will judge you. If you don’t believe so be it! But do not judge you will put yourself in danger....just put your focus elsewhere but I warn you in love to keep silent concerning me...

I am not a sir - not your sir nor anyone else's sir. I simply stated what the parable states. I didn't invent what I said. When will you address your own curses which you vainly imagine you have authority to speak on others? Come to the mark, sister.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Can you find in the NT Letters where this 'fig leaf' covering is a failure and a rebellion against God?

"Fig leaves" was mankind's first futile attempt to cover up their sin by their own effort, and before that day was over, in the "cool of the day" they were caught. There's no need for any "NT letters" to explain that, the text in Genesis is self-explanatory.

 

[Absolutely]

If you omit the pretrib rapture verses, you will never enter the truth.

 

[DavidTree]

"Fig leaves" was mankind's first futile attempt to cover up their sin by their own effort, and before that day was over, in the "cool of the day" they were caught. There's no need for any "NT letters" to explain that, the text in Genesis is self-explanatory.

Yes indeed my friend.
There is something in the NT letters that addresses the 'fig leaves' futile attempt so God thought there was a need to mention it.
I like what God had to say about it.
Peace

 

[DavidTree]

If you omit the pretrib rapture verses, you will never enter the truth.

Now you got me busting a gut here.
You need to come over in the morning for some great coffee and fellowship = in the Truth = John chapter 17

 

[Absolutely]

If you omit the pretrib rapture verses, you will never enter the truth.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes but we have to look at The words of Jesus who came to fulfill and give you the understanding. What about the 5 wise virgins, they are not virgins in the flesh but in the spirit God sees them as holy and undefined.

In the parable they are in fact physical virgins.

 

[Absolutely]

Double post.

 

[DavidTree]

Good Nite Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Abs, ewq, Carry, Rhomp, RR, Jocund, TDW, Cab, Oblio and those with names too long to mention...........

 

[godlovejoy]

Please let me know where in the Gospels and letters/writings of the Apostles when the Saints are taken up to heaven.

Revelation is not written in strict chronological order, according to our understanding, as it repeats Itself.
Revelation is given to us and is in accordance to what is written in the Prophets, the Gospel and the Apostles.

You are correct in that the number 7 reveals completion in Revelation.

I can start with this scripture

1 Cor 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The clue here is it’s a mystery which God gives His Servants and Prophets the understanding. Revelation is written in mystery form which is discerned by the spirit so I did my best to explain but a major key for the timing is at the last trumpet the 7th trumpet along with seeing the difference between the two groups the chosen and the rest of Gods believers....ask God to reveal as you read....

 

[Absolutely]

Yes but we have to look at The words of Jesus who came to fulfill and give you the understanding. What about the 5 wise virgins, they are not virgins in the flesh but in the spirit God sees them as holy and undefined. And what about the apostle Paul speaking of the Gentiles being grafted in as a Jew. all these are spiritually discerned understandings and that is why the chosen will not only be Jewish and will not only be mail and will not be actual virgins.

The 144k are not portrayed in a parable..
They are ethnic Jews as declared in the bible

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Revelation is written in mystery form which is discerned

Assuming you won't spare me - can you explain why the book of Revelation is not sealed? Whereas the book of Daniel is?

Discernment is not the unpicking of mysteries it is a function of the spirit born of the Spirit of God. That - to mark the meaning - is different to intuition which is a function of the soul - and stems from either natural learning or else experience or else a renewing of the mind when the mind is renewed in the spirit of the mind. Feelings on the other hand are often mixed as the cistern that produces both brackish and clean water.

So what then these mysteries you speak of that only a chosen few can draw upon? And what of Revelation which you say is a mystery? Howbeit that it is called the Revelation of Jesus Christ and it is not sealed?

 

[godlovejoy]

Yeah, put on the full armor of God and fight the dark spirits. This world is a battleground, not a playground.

I understand I’ve been fighting evil spirits for years in my training. It’s Another mystery I’ve been sown in corruption so that I may inherit incorruption (the resurrection) I hope to receive more power to continue to lift oppression and destroy the works of the devil in many....for sure I don’t play...

 

[godlovejoy]

The 144k are not portrayed in a parable..
They are ethnic Jews as declared in the bible

I understand your belief here and why you don’t waver on this...that’s fine.... and I’m just trying to make plain what I hear in the Spirit

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Only God is the Judge of me He made me he formed me into an Apostle. You must think your God to even dare to Judge His anointed.....to the measure you judge with the same measure God will judge you. If you don’t believe so be it! But do not judge you will put yourself in danger....just put your focus elsewhere but I warn you in love to keep silent concerning me...

Seeing as you are unable to answer a single point in plain meaning - then I must ask you concerning these words you wrote me which cannot be other than plain.

Why should I be afraid of God on your account?

Why will asking you anything put me in danger?

Why should I put my focus else where?

Why do you feel a need to warn me to keep silent about yourself in a public forum where I am posting to your own words?

Its not as though you haven't made your claims clear enough about your own training and calling. You have been zealous to make that known in this thread. Yet you previously stated that the event - which you date back to 2006 - was the beginning of your awakening - and you called that being sealed on your forehead. In your account you say that you felt a finger pressing on your forehead for a few seconds and that was preceded by the pastor prophesying that the Holy Spirit was going to do a work in the assembly that evening.

I have no interest in making your claims to be false regarding that finger of God encounter - what I am interested in (and it is in your interest to know it) has to do with the claim you made and then explained from a book written in 1967 - that this sealing on your forehead was akin to what you say the book explained as a sealing on the forehead of the Levite priests. All I have asked of you is to show me from the Scripture where that sealing is ordained by God on the Levite priests.

Why would it matter to you or anyone else whether I believe your testimony or not? This is a forum not a church. Your testimony is your own. You are in the USA and I am in Britain. I am quiet certain that brethren prefer to cite Scripture to uphold claims and then become offended that their claims are not received if they are predicated on a misapplication of Scripture. Yet that is not your claim because you weren't reading the Scripture when the Holy Spirit made your experience meaningful to you.

Your claim is that you were sealed and by that sealing you were numbered in the 144,000 of Revelation. That is a matter for your own walk - not a matter for mine. But if you tell me that I should be afraid, and that I should hold my tongue and that I should not speak about you or that I will be in danger if I do - then I am assuming you must understand by any ordinary semblance of meaning - those are grave words.

Take heart, sister. None of those things are my portion. I sleep like a lamb and rise like a lion. Shalom.