An Evil Teaching From the Pulpit

[presidente]

I would say if someone taught that divorce is the unpardonable sin from the pulpit, that would be an evil teaching from the pulpit.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

I thank you fro sharing but clarification is needed here.

Salvation is never at risk, but being received at the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event is. As Ephesians 2:10 testify that we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus unto good works that we should live in them.

So what we sows towards counts; if we sow towards the works of the flesh, we shall reap corruption; and risk being left behind at the pre trib rapture for not looking to Him for help in laying aside every weight & sin to be received by Him.

If we sow to the fruits of the Spirit as opposing sowing to the works of the flesh, we shall be received by the Bridegroom by the grace of God and His help since our confidence is in Him to finish what He has stated in us to His glory.

So what is built on that foundation will be judged and to heed the call to depart from iniquity is getting rid of that stubble, hay, and wood that are on that foundation so it doesn't need t be burned away or risk physical death for defiling the temple of God in that day when God judges His House first. 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 & 1 Peter 4:17-19

There is no excuse for not applying faith in Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd to help you to follow Him.

For the woman caught in adultery... once she acknowledged Him as Lord, neither did He condemn her but He said.. go and sin no more. There is a fine line with living in sin and not desiring to sin by having a heart leaning on Him for repentance.

We follow Him by the grace of God by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him just as we have been saved by the grace of God by faith in Jesus Christ as our Saviour that we are saved for simply believing in Him.

Clarification or more confusion?
After reading your reply, I must ask.......Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

See here.......

John 6:29
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

One more thing,
About the women caught in adultery,
This is why He didn't condemn her,.......

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[BillG]

I posted the below.

Adultery is being unfaithful. That being the case divorce is acceptable. The physical act.
In the O.T God talked about issuing a certificate of divorce (something like that) because Israel was unfaithful.
So it wasn't the physical act of sex but being unfaithful to God as a result of what they did.

So let's say we have a married couple and the husband is a wife beater and reverse it.
What about a spouse who continually puts the other down and tells them they are useless good for nothing and so on.

Is that not being unfaithful.

Would we counsel a beaten woman to stay with a husband who continually beats her and say try and sort it out?

I wouldn't, the husband has been unfaithful and therefore the wife has grounds for divorce.

You respond with the following

I would call that berating and belittling. I believe Peter addressed that situation in 1 Peter 3rd chapter and Jesus's example at the end of 1 Peter 2nd chapter to set for both women and men in that 3rd chapter.

A wife could say..her husband does not take the trash out when she had asked him to... and consider that unfaithful, but that is not how we should apply unfaithful.

It is not good to have verbal abuse. One can walk out of the house to stop listening to it, but either stay or go, prayer is needed.

I heard a report long ago that my pastor was called over the phone about some child having a fit and somehow, he had asked who else was in the room for he heard someone said something, and they told him who was all in the room, and he said.. whoever said.. whatever he heard.. to get out of the house. It turned out the person that left the house was demonically possessed. Weird how that came about. I could not get the whole story.. but scary how the forces of darkness work where they can put someone else in a fit of rage.

So a spouse may be abusive intentionally.. as being unreasonable.... but other forces may be involved that only the Lord can prick the discerners into picking up and solving what may be a supernatural disturbance on a domestic level

So it seems to me that you are saying beating your spouse is not different from putting her down and chiding and scolding.
I am talking about a spouse who physically beats their spouse.

If you honestly think that is no different from what you say above then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[BillG]

I can see why God hates divorce though. It may take years to unravel the damage done.

I agree but staying in a relationship where a spouse is physically abusive can take a lot longer time to unravel.
Epsecially if kids are involved.

Trust me.

My mum and stepdad used to physically fight.
One night whilst fighting he pushed her out the front door and locked it.
She tried to get back in by pushing the glass in. She managed to push the glass in and at the same cut her wrist and blood was pouring out.

She asked for help and his response was "I hope you die you ******* *****.

Guess which 12 year old was left to pick up the pieces and call the ambulance?

Me

 

[tourist]

It may have been said in your church from your pastor from the pulpit or you may have heard it among the believers, but this is an evil teaching from the pulpit that it is not an unforgivable sin to get a divorce.

There are situations when divorce is allowed in the bible, especially infidelity, lack of financial support due to laziness or abuse.

No one likes to get "involved" in other people's marriages. The ole society's standard of minding your own business is actually running against scripture

I certainly would not allow anyone to get involved in my marriage.

There is being nosy to be a tattler for gossip and then there is coming across a trespass.

Some people have too much time on their hands so they turn into a busy-body and a gossip.

It is when the brother refuses to repent or he does not believe he is in error is when you get 2 or 3 witnesses to confirm the word. And only then if he refuses to repent, he or she needs to be brought before the congregation.

Seriously, I can't see anyone who would willingly allow 2 or 3 witnesses to bring them before the congregation in church.

 

[stonesoffire]

I know Bill. The world is full of hurt. But, we have a Healer in our house now. And that can take years too. Physically, emotionally, and however else..but He does.

 

[BillG]

But your example isn't in the bible. It may be how you feel, but facts don't care about feelings.

The truth is that divorce has been taken up by our governments so people can lay with another and not run afoul of bigamy laws.
We have to look at 1 Corinthians ch. 7 and see that if a woman must separate, as an abused woman probably should.... she must remain single or reconcile with her husband.
I know people on here don't like this, many are divorced and married to another, but they are committing adultery. It's clear as day in the bible.

I am not talking about remarriage here, that's a different topic.

I am saying that I think it is ok for a spouse who is physically beaten by the other is an acceptable reason for divorce.

 

[Meggido]

I posted the below.




You respond with the following




So it seems to me that you are saying beating your spouse is not different from putting her down and chiding and scolding.
I am talking about a spouse who physically beats their spouse.

If you honestly think that is no different from what you say above then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

he is not married so it is not an issue for him...

 

[Meggido]

Which goes to the sorry state of affairs of the church lacking of making disciples of believers in Jesus Christ.

Believers nowadays are prepped to have their guard up to protect their own lives when being missionaries in other countries, but when it comes to living in America, the armor of God is not worn living in America where the media is "programming " them all in having the mind of the world and not the mind of Christ.

Are you married?

 

[Zen]

Are you married?

He doesn't need to be.

 

[BillG]

I know Bill. The world is full of hurt. But, we have a Healer in our house now. And that can take years too. Physically, emotionally, and however else..but He does.

And what a great healer we have.

I think it's very dangerous and, in fact I say utterly stupid to expect someone to stay in a marriage that is abusive whether it be physical beatings and I would also add constantly emotionally abusive.

Divorce should be the last result and not an easy option. All alternatives should be explored and help offered and given.

My wife and I walked with a couple who were very emotionally abusive for about a year and a half. Others had given up because it was so intense and seemed beyond hope.

We always had hope for them and never gave up hope for them.
It did get to the stage where we said we can't help you any more you need more professional help than we are qualified to give.

They are still together 2 years later and are thankful that for that year and a bit we stuck with them.

We used to get woken up at goodness knows what time in the early morning hours by one of them during the week.

Im only saying that because I want to make the point incase that I consider divorce an easy option.
But as I say it's not to be taken lightly and every avenue should be explored.

God bless you precious sister and I love you gentleness and wisdom.

 

[BillG]

He doesn't need to be.

Hmm let me think.

If my marriage was in trouble who would I seek help from?
Not from someone who has spouted the rubbish above that I have read.
If they post it on here I'm sure they would have no hesitation in saying it out loud.
I wouldn't go to a single person.
I would seek a mature Godly married couple or a Christian counselling couple.

If the mature Godly married couple felt they could not help I would hope they would have to honesty and wisdom to tell me they couldn't and help me seek the appropriate help.

 

[mj007]

Don't forget Jesus was single (so we are told). I think it is more a question of the insight of a person. I've often learnt more about a subject from someone who is not taught in the subject but enthusiastic about it, than from someone who is well experienced in it yet quite often takes knowledge for granted. When we choose only similarity of understanding (or the belief it is so) there is often case for bias, or skewed advice.

I'm not married yet, but when I'm with the person I am married to in heart, I will marry them. Often people do marriage the other way round instead of being absolutely patient. But you probably did it the right way round, well my discernment says so.

Hmm let me think.

If my marriage was in trouble who would I seek help from?
Not from someone who has spouted the rubbish above that I have read.
If they post it on here I'm sure they would have no hesitation in saying it out loud.
I wouldn't go to a single person.
I would seek a mature Godly married couple or a Christian counselling couple.

If the mature Godly married couple felt they could not help I would hope they would have to honesty and wisdom to tell me they couldn't and help me seek the appropriate help.

 

[stonesoffire]

And what a great healer we have.

I think it's very dangerous and, in fact I say utterly stupid to expect someone to stay in a marriage that is abusive whether it be physical beatings and I would also add constantly emotionally abusive.

Divorce should be the last result and not an easy option. All alternatives should be explored and help offered and given.

My wife and I walked with a couple who were very emotionally abusive for about a year and a half. Others had given up because it was so intense and seemed beyond hope.

We always had hope for them and never gave up hope for them.
It did get to the stage where we said we can't help you any more you need more professional help than we are qualified to give.

They are still together 2 years later and are thankful that for that year and a bit we stuck with them.

We used to get woken up at goodness knows what time in the early morning hours by one of them during the week.

Im only saying that because I want to make the point incase that I consider divorce an easy option.
But as I say it's not to be taken lightly and every avenue should be explored.

God bless you precious sister and I love you gentleness and wisdom.

I went through some serious stuff too...I just don't talk about it anymore. Have had a lot of healing and a deliverance was needed too. Grief. Couldn't stop crying...beyond depression. It went immediately and now it takes a lot to make me cry.

God is so good to us.

 

[mj007]

What concerns me about the OT, is just how much effort has been put into it.

When intelligence of self, of Man, becomes the highest point of analysis we overrule God in doing so. The reason why God is the highest intelligence above all living things is because God is Love.

So simply to invoke real intelligence that is in line with God, all we have to do is let Love do the analysis.

It is interesting that most often, the subjects we are most successful in were not particularly because we loved the subject, but because those teachers taught us with the most love, which then grew our love of the subject. If you order your grades against your order of favourite teachers, you will find they are pretty much in the same order.

Analyse with love, teach with love, utter with love.

*And when we are taught, say in the Church, without this observation of where the words come from, we can easily be led down the wrong path. And there are many false teachers that have taught millions of Christians. And I don't necessarily mean false as in evil, but in the sense of rarely using love within what is taught. Eg. teaching about fear, about sin, about what is wrong, about going to hell. Building walls, in not the correct teaching, but many have embraced it.

 

[mj007]

And I can be quite passionate when I see something that I think is wrong. But if you really observe my intention, it is not that I am trying to build a wall, I am trying to break down a wall. And that can be the hardest thing, especially when we are helping others. If they cannot see their own wall, then it is often hard to help that person. It is often apparent in inflexibility, or stubborn self-righteousness.

We all have our points of view, but since human language is flawed compared to Gods language which is pure, we must always admit that what we are saying cannot be absolute truth, but only on a path of truth.

 

[BillG]

Don't forget Jesus was single (so we are told). I think it is more a question of the insight of a person. I've often learnt more about a subject from someone who is not taught in the subject but enthusiastic about it, than from someone who is well experienced in it yet quite often takes knowledge for granted. When we choose only similarity of understanding (or the belief it is so) there is often case for bias, or skewed advice.

I'm not married yet, but when I'm with the person I am married to in heart, I will marry them. Often people do marriage the other way round instead of being absolutely patient. But you probably did it the right way round, well my discernment says so.

I get what you are saying with respect to Jesus.
We must remember though that he is the Son of God and had his perfect wisdom and displayed that.
And sure that is what we should aspire to, the wisdom of God in our hearts and how to speak it.

As humans though I feel God uses us to help others that struggle with stuff that we have and how God has helped us.

One of my examples was when after years of struggling with a gambling addiction God healed me. He ripped it right out of by dealing with underlying issues that caused it (and it wasn't wanting to win money, I lost big, I won big either way I wasn't a happy chappy)

Anyway all of a sudden I found God bringing people to me who suffered the same.

I absolutely love your sentence starting with "I'm not married yet"

And I fully get it.

I was engaged once to a girl. I didn't want to marry her but thought ok I will.
We will have kids, get divorced but I will see the kids a weekends (my mum was divorced 4 times)

I eventually broke it off. Well I say me, God did something that I still don't quite understand today but it involves severe anxiety.

As you can imagine I couldn't form a relationship with a woman in a romantic sense, every time it got close I broke it off.

Then I met the most beautiful Godly woman (no offence to all you other beautiful Godly women).
I broke the relationship off even though I knew in my heart I loved her despite emotions all over the place.
God bought us back together but our walk was hard.

My emotions denied love but my heart was for her.
When I realised that and that God bought us together and I knew he had, this is your wife then nothing could stop me.

We celebrate 24 years of marriage on the 23rd July (I remember the date she doesn't, hiw funny is that)

When we marry with our heart then it's our heart that will guide us.
Love our wives as God loves us. Be the husband he has called us to be.
Be Godly husbands, seek to give and not receive.

If us husbands walked in the ways God has asked us to with our wives then it bodes well.

 

[Meggido]

He doesn't need to be.

Do you still advocate beating women to keep them in line is legal and Biblical?