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I have listened to him a number of times. We do get his program where I live and because of my brother's interest, I did listen to him. I have gone online and listened to him.

I'm getting pretty tired of you doing your very best to make this all personal. No one is agasinst mr Wommack
Well I am glad you aren't being personal, even though you accuse me of being personal. I think that's personal, don't you? I do get the distinct message from the heresy hunters in this forum that Wommack is a heretic, and they make it pretty personal with their accusations.

What YOU seem to have a hard time grasping, is that we are FOR truth...and what you believe is true, may just happen to suit you but you really cannot line up some things Wommack says with regards to the truth
I've been around the block with this kind of mindset a few times, so I have no problem grasping what's going on, here. I believe what God says about a thing, and not what I think about a thing.

I don't care about people jumping on the bandwagon either...because that is NOT an excuse for anyone else to behave in a certain way
I am glad of that, thanks!

The wisdom is listening...Proverbs even says so. I have listened and sought God...probably more so then in other cases because of the personal side in my case
Years of hearing from God is also my claim.

You have no case against me with youtube....so cut it out. It does not appear to me that you are being quite rational.
Oh, I am incredibly rational. I can see the way that some people trot out their YouTube videos, doctored and primed to influence the weak and to embolden the prideful "heresy hunters" among us. YouTube is a tool for tools, when the agenda is unwholesome and unholy.

Well, yah know, the wind blows where it will....sometimes it rustles the trees overhead and sometimes it is very still and watching as those who should know better run after something that sounds good, but is not good.
Some don't even know what's good.
 
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I've somehow just come to realise that someone wouldn't have woken up the long-time sleeping thread lol!

Nevertheless, still I hope we're getting something out.

Peace and Love Brethren!

:)

Not likely. These type of threads have a mission to slime the body of Christ.

They are cunning AND EFFECTIVE with their mission.

I personally feel the garbage can of slander and filth that these type threads minister to good men and women of God.

They get a hold of a "fact" (excesses with money,houses,jets, and error by emphasis) then proceed to use their "revelation" to become literal butchers,cutting and hacking like duranged psyco's,without any regard to their own teacher's false baloney.

They are parading their beam in the eye destructive hypocracy to the entire world.

They are completely oblivious to the spirit at work through them in the last days.The spirit of pharasee.
 
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This is why you cessationists have no authority over sickness;




When I was in the plumbing business I enjoyed praying for the sick. Urgent calls would come and I would have no time to wash, and with my hands all black I would preach to these sick ones, my heart all aglow with love. Ah, you must have your heart in the thing when you pray for the sick. You have to get right to the bottom of the cancer with a divine compassion and then you will see the gifts of the Spirit in operation.
I was called at 10 o’clock one night to pray for a young person given up by the doctor who was dying of consumption. As I looked, I saw that unless God undertook it was impossible for her to live. I turned to the mother and said, “Well, mother. you will have to go to bed.” She said, “Oh, I have not had my clothes off for three weeks.” I said to the daughters, “You will have to go to bed,” but they did not want to go. It was the same with the son. I put on my overcoat and said, “Good-bye, I’m off.” They said, “Oh, don’t leave us.” I said, “I can do nothing here.” They said, “Oh, if you will stop, we will all go to bed.” I knew that God would move nothing in an atmosphere of mere natural sympathy and unbelief.
They all went to bed and I stayed, and that was surely a time as I knelt by that bed face to face with death and with the devil. But God can change the hardest situation and make you know that He is almighty.
Then the fight came. It seemed as though the heavens were brass. I prayed from 11 to 3:30 in the morning. I saw the glimmering light on the face of the sufferer and saw her pass away. The devil said, “Now you are done for. You have come from Bradford and the girl has died on your hands.” I said, “It can’t be. God did not send me here for nothing. This is a time to change strength.” I remembered that passage which said, “Men ought always to pray and not to faint.” Death had taken place but I knew that my God was all-powerful, and He that had split the Red Sea is just the same today. It was a time when I would not have “No,” and God said “Yes.” I looked at the window and at that moment the face of Jesus appeared. It seemed as though a million rays of light were coming from His face. As He looked at the one who had just passed away, the color came back to the face. She rolled over and fell asleep. Then I had a glorious time. In the morning she woke early, put on a dressing gown and walked to the piano. She started to play and to sing a wonderful song. The mother and the sister and the brother had all come down to listen. The Lord had undertaken. A miracle had been wrought.
The Lord is calling us along this way. I am thanking God for difficult cases. The Lord has called us into heart union with Himself; He wants His bride to have one heart and one Spirit with Him and to do what He Himself loved to do. That case had to be a miracle. The lungs were gone, they were just in shreds, but the Lord restored lungs that were perfectly sound.
There is a fruit of the Spirit that must accompany the gift of healing and that is longsuffering. The man who is going through with God to be used in healing must be a man of longsuffering.


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I have listened to him a number of times. We do get his program where I live and because of my brother's interest, I did listen to him. I have gone online and listened to him.

I'm getting pretty tired of you doing your very best to make this all personal. No one is agasinst mr Wommack



Well I am glad you aren't being personal, even though you accuse me of being personal. I think that's personal, don't you? I do get the distinct message from the heresy hunters in this forum that Wommack is a heretic, and they make it pretty personal with their accusations.

You are being personal. In post after post, you do NOT address what the responder who disagrees with you writes. You refer to your opinion on their character and biblical knowledge. In short, you sound pretty much like someone who has no actual objection, but is determined to remain lodged in their experience irregardless if the experience is not biblical, while actually trying to state that anyone who disagrees with you has no right to do so, because YOU, fancynancy, have not only discernment, but also the gift of discerning of spirits.

There are no heresy hunters here...any more perceptual insults you can fling? Irregardless of what anyone says about Wommack, you are the one who has ratcheted up the defensive positions. There are others here defending his teaching, but they are discussing and presenting excerpts and some scripture.

You, on the other hand, present false accusation such as this:

Originally Posted by crossnote

I'm glad you ask. You see although I align closer to some teachers more than others, there is no one person I agree wholly with. As I compare Scripture with a person's teaching I hold to what aligns with Scripture and throw out the rest. I am not beholden to any teacher in such a way that if he is exposed to false teaching or immoral behavior I lash out at others who did the exposing. That is a mark of a cult.



OK, so you are self-taught and do not go to church, or have a pastor. Gotch
Do you really want to sound like someone who just smart mouths there way through the forum? If not, you should try to be civil. You are not being civil.





What YOU seem to have a hard time grasping, is that we are FOR truth...and what you believe is true, may just happen to suit you but you really cannot line up some things Wommack says with regards to the truth


I've been around the block with this kind of mindset a few times, so I have no problem grasping what's going on, here. I believe what God says about a thing, and not what I think about a thing.

You are not the last word here even though it appears you respect yourself in that capacity. For one thing, you are not respecting others; that is not a sign of someone who actually cares about others opinions, nor is it the sign of someone fit to lead or teach in any capacity.

Now you are pulling the God card. If all else fails, say God told you. Actually God basically says nothing at all until we comprehend what He says in scripture. Therefore, I really dismiss what you state...you dismiss all the passages in the NT that describe how a Christian should reply to those who don't believe...you see, we have a bunch of people here who don't care if you speak in tongues...and that really bothers me because I DO speak in tongues...but I don't want act like you or anyone who seems to think everyone else is beneath them and not deserving of a kind reply.

I know people just like you Nancy...those who think that someone who does not speak in tongues does not have the capacity for truth because only those who believe they are spirit filled understand anything.



I don't care about people jumping on the bandwagon either...because that is NOT an excuse for anyone else to behave in a certain way


I am glad of that, thanks!

So it's ok to smart mouth and insult because someone else did so? Once again, you started it actually.


The wisdom is listening...Proverbs even says so. I have listened and sought God...probably more so then in other cases because of the personal side in my case


Years of hearing from God is also my claim.

Well, if your walk is that personal, how is it that you cannot even be nominally circumspect and treat other BELIEVERS with dignity?

Many people claim to hear from God personally...including an entire race who did not recognize their own Messiah.





You have no case against me with youtube....so cut it out. It does not appear to me that you are being quite rational.


Oh, I am incredibly rational. I can see the way that some people trot out their YouTube videos, doctored and primed to influence the weak and to embolden the prideful "heresy hunters" among us. YouTube is a tool for tools, when the agenda is unwholesome and unholy.

You were/are responding to me,. I never mentionned youtube so I don't care how often you trot that out. I did not go to youtube for my info as I have carefully explained several times now. Just give everyone but me a spanking and send them to bed with no supper.

We are all free agents here...responsible to God for our words and our actions. A person might be excused for forgetting Who we really answer to when reading this thread.



Well, yah know, the wind blows where it will....sometimes it rustles the trees overhead and sometimes it is very still and watching as those who should know better run after something that sounds good, but is not good.


Some don't even know what's good.

Ah...another tart and refreshing response.
 
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Not likely. These type of threads have a mission to slime the body of Christ.

They are cunning AND EFFECTIVE with their mission.

I personally feel the garbage can of slander and filth that these type threads minister to good men and women of God.

They get a hold of a "fact" (excesses with money,houses,jets, and error by emphasis) then proceed to use their "revelation" to become literal butchers,cutting and hacking like duranged psyco's,without any regard to their own teacher's false baloney.

They are parading their beam in the eye destructive hypocracy to the entire world.

They are completely oblivious to the spirit at work through them in the last days.The spirit of pharasee.

two sides of the same coin perhaps?
 
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They are completely oblivious to the spirit at work through them in the last days.The spirit of pharasee.
uh huh...unlike the free wheeling tongues talking know it alls who think they have both the mind and the ear of God and speak words all day long that He never siad

When a person has itching ears, they need the salve of the truth to stop the itching

I do understand it is getting harder to acknowledge the truth

Wommack lies in wait to catch those who fail to recognize the simplicity of the gospel and the truth that was delivered once and for all

No matter how big the words of those that say they speak for God, He does not hear you...for He has already spoken through His Son

We do not create reality ....can any of you make the sun set one minute earlier?
 
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No more to add!
But I think each one of us has got a cross to carry, a journey to walk, a race to run and a battle to fight. Let's keep the faith instead, so we can win.

1 Corinthians 1:10ff
1 Corinthians 3

Blessing! :)
 
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uh huh...unlike the free wheeling tongues talking know it alls who think they have both the mind and the ear of God and speak words all day long that He never siad

When a person has itching ears, they need the salve of the truth to stop the itching

I do understand it is getting harder to acknowledge the truth

Wommack lies in wait to catch those who fail to recognize the simplicity of the gospel and the truth that was delivered once and for all

No matter how big the words of those that say they speak for God, He does not hear you...for He has already spoken through His Son

We do not create reality ....can any of you make the sun set one minute earlier?
Error is so easy to discern.

I am sure I can find more error in Womack than anyone.

There is error in baptists galore. They are also of the devil huh?

See how easy that is?
You,nor this thread have any point at all.
 
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You are being personal. In post after post, you do NOT address what the responder who disagrees with you writes. You refer to your opinion on their character and biblical knowledge. In short, you sound pretty much like someone who has no actual objection, but is determined to remain lodged in their experience irregardless if the experience is not biblical, while actually trying to state that anyone who disagrees with you has no right to do so, because YOU, fancynancy, have not only discernment, but also the gift of discerning of spirits.


Nah.My experience is biblical.So, here we go with personal---yet again, ember?

There are no heresy hunters here...any more perceptual insults you can fling? Irregardless of what anyone says about Wommack, you are the one who has ratcheted up the defensive positions. There are others here defending his teaching, but they are discussing and presenting excerpts and some scripture.
Every thread opened with the name of a well-known Christian leader is a heresy hunter's dream thread. It's funny that those who are the core arguers against these teachers are claiming "defensive" position in more than one post just today.

There is no such word as "irregardless"

You, on the other hand, present false accusation such as this:
Nonsense.I asked a question and got an evasion.

Do you really want to sound like someone who just smart mouths there way through the forum? If not, you should try to be civil. You are not being civil.
I am always civil, but I do get my hackles up when people get prickly and abusive with me. Get that? I don't start it.

What YOU seem to have a hard time grasping, is that we are FOR truth...and what you believe is true, may just happen to suit you but you really cannot line up some things Wommack says with regards to the truth
I can grasp that just fine, but you seem to let it fly over your head that I am also all for the truth. See the problem? You've set up an "us or them" situation. Where is the room you leave for discussion? All I see is mockery and cat calls and silly back-and-forths between the core clique who share in these defamatory threads. I know of other sites who disallow such threads because of the fact that they are incredibly hot button topics and do no good.

You are not the last word here even though it appears you respect yourself in that capacity. For one thing, you are not respecting others; that is not a sign of someone who actually cares about others opinions, nor is it the sign of someone fit to lead or teach in any capacity.


There you go again, ember...being personally insulting and presumptuous. Not the mark of one who walks in peace.You don't know me, but you THINK you do. Discerning is not your forte.Taking people to task as if they were a naughty child is highly pretentious.

Now you are pulling the God card. If all else fails, say God told you. Actually God basically says nothing at all until we comprehend what He says in scripture. Therefore, I really dismiss what you state...you dismiss all the passages in the NT that describe how a Christian should reply to those who don't believe...you see, we have a bunch of people here who don't care if you speak in tongues...and that really bothers me because I DO speak in tongues...but I don't want act like you or anyone who seems to think everyone else is beneath them and not deserving of a kind reply.
Aww too bad, there, ember.You are acting in a way that I wouldn't want to be caught doing by the Lord. Pompously and publically taking people to task and chiding them personally is a prideful way to behave. Have you never heard of private messaging, or even letting things go? I have, and I do it.

I know people just like you Nancy...those who think that someone who does not speak in tongues does not have the capacity for truth because only those who believe they are spirit filled understand anything.
I'll bet you do. You would be blessed by them if you gave them godly respect.I have many born again friends and acquaintances who have not experienced tongues and they are rich in truth. You are whistling in the dark.I do not have such an opinion of people who do not speak in tongues. Be careful about accusing people.

So it's ok to smart mouth and insult because someone else did so? Once again, you started it actually.
Not true, ember.

The wisdom is listening...Proverbs even says so. I have listened and sought God...probably more so then in other cases because of the personal side in my case
Well, if your walk is that personal, how is it that you cannot even be nominally circumspect and treat other BELIEVERS with dignity?


That's odd, ember. I remember being treated with indignity by a cliquey group of members here. It was a feeding frenzy. You don't have to spend more time here defending them. I gave back what I could without being completely shameless and unrestrained, and I did get a mod warning. I am not so sure about the others, though, and I have my doubts, but that's another subject, and it's really none of my business. What is my business is to provide the truth of a matter and to offer some food for thought concerning a topic that is based on an unreasonable or false premise to begin with. I did that. God can do with it what He may.

Many people claim to hear from God personally...including an entire race who did not recognize their own Messiah.
Every born again believer should be able to say that they hear from God personally, as He does speak to every one of us, even though many do not know His voice or if they do, they disregard it, to their own spiritual detriment. But the Lord has His timetable for people's lives and these arguers' lives are not over. The Lord does correct even the most die-hard rascals we can come across.

You were/are responding to me,. I never mentionned youtube so I don't care how often you trot that out. I did not go to youtube for my info as I have carefully explained several times now. Just give everyone but me a spanking and send them to bed with no supper.


Great.

We are all free agents here...responsible to God for our words and our actions. A person might be excused for forgetting Who we really answer to when reading this thread.
I am a free agent, also, but I am beholden to the Lord Jesus Christ for my behaviour, and not to you. So, thank you for this little tete a tete, and know that in Christ we are sisters, and we do differ, apparently, but I doubt it is as much as you might think, for I do believe you have had a bad impression of me due to the horror that are those heretic hunter threads. Give the world a few turns, as I will, and we shall see what becomes of this little altercation. Hopefully it will take a little flight to oblivion.

Forgive me and I also forgive you.

Blessings to you today in Jesus.

Some don't even know what's good.
Ah...another tart and refreshing response.
Glad you see it that way! :D
 
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Error is so easy to discern.

I am sure I can find more error in Womack than anyone.

There is error in baptists galore. They are also of the devil huh?

See how easy that is?
You,nor this thread have any point at all.
except no one said anyone was of the devil

see how you exagerate to try and get an arguement going?

POt meets kettle
well at least you understood that

at any rate, I speak in tongues myself...I am just up to here with some representing that as some sort of authentication

it isn't

I don't know anything about Baptists except for what I read on forums

so if you have something to add about them, well go ahead
 
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as far as you go Nancy, you apparently can only answer in sarcastic one liners

so, no real communication whatsoever...I don't know how you can state God has been speaking to you for years

I guess it must all be a secret

I will state again, that it seems no one has learned a thing from Mr Wommack...I don't recall him using nastiness...so those who think they take his side might need to listen to him again

I'm not so sure he would like speaking for him

so, let God sort it out, but just be aware that God does not extend Himself outside the written word..and it seems no one can even get that straight...however, Jesus said those who are His would be known by love...not doctrine

I can promise one thing..God is not taking sides...WE choose which side we are on...read the Bible...that's what it actually states...so fight over Paul or John or Mr Wommack...nothing's changed in over 2000 years
 
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This is why you cessationists have no authority over sickness;






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Thanks for posting this Popeye, I have been wanting to get some of Smith Wigglesworth's books. That was a beautiful testimony of the healing power of God. That guy was a plumber., not highly educated at all but he believed the Bible and learned about the promises and leaned on the Word of God and what God says He will do. Faith is what this walk is about.

"I stand amazed in the presence of Jesus the Nazerene... and wonder how He could love me a sinner condemned unclean... how wonderful how marvelous and my song shall ever be, how wonderful how marvelous is my Saviors love for me"











It is of the utmost importance that we have peace with ourselves and accept God's love into our hearts. While we were yet in weakness powerless to help ourselves, at the fitting time Christ died for in behalf of the ungodly.
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I judge according to God's word---which is to judge what serves the cause of evil and what serves the cause of good.



It has nothing to do with sincerity. You and your pals show a sincerity of your own kind. Sincerely wrong.



[/B][/COLOR]As if. There is no sense in what you say. You have already been influenced by a lying spirit---willingly! It will take a work of the Holy Spirit to rout that out of you.



Really? You are now speaking as one convinced by hearsay.



Of course not! The clip was heavily edited so as not to reveal what he said in full!



Methinks the lack of humility is in your comments. Humble people wait and weigh what is said against the word of God before they make a judgment, but in this case, there is no way to make an honest, godly assessment, because of the manipulation has been done, and you've allowed yourself to fall for it rather than to stand back and properly examine what you've been given. It cannot be done with many of these kinds of videos, that are done with an evil spirit behind them to defame the brethren, because the actual TV broadcast may not be available to compare it with.

A word of advice: don't pay attention to YouTube videos like this about ANYONE.



You need to claim what he said was what he meant, seeing as you believe the hack job that was offered here as authoritative proof of error.

I get it now. YouTube is authoritative to the gullible.



You want to ridicule everything on youtube,
and everyone who uses it,
just because you don't like a critical video?



Really faulty logic here, but a good way to dismiss anything you don't like.



Youtube is nothing more or less than a place where media is published.

The PLACE the media is published has nothing to do, good or bad, with the content of each bit of media.

Some of the finest universities in the world, like Yale and Harvard, publish media on youtube.

The publishing outlet has nothing to do with the quality of each piece of media being published.
Ridiculing everything that appears on youtube is just silly, and extremely faulty logic.
Even if you shout some faulty logic a thousand times... it's still faulty logic.

Something silly doesn't become more true the more you shout it in a forum.

Seriously.
 
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as far as you go Nancy, you apparently can only answer in sarcastic one liners
I call it as I see it.

so, no real communication whatsoever...I don't know how you can state God has been speaking to you for years

I guess it must all be a secret
I communicate well, thanks. Your judgmentalism is duly noted. How hypocritical.

I will state again, that it seems no one has learned a thing from Mr Wommack...I don't recall him using nastiness...so those who think they take his side might need to listen to him again
I have learned some things from his teaching on Body, Soul and Spirit.

I'm not so sure he would like speaking for him
And he would just water at the mouth at your loving comments.

so, let God sort it out, but just be aware that God does not extend Himself outside the written word..and it seems no one can even get that straight...however, Jesus said those who are His would be known by love...not doctrine
God gives people fresh revelation all the time...ways to look at things that people have never thought of before, but still are congruent with His word.

I can promise one thing..God is not taking sides...WE choose which side we are on...read the Bible...that's what it actually states...so fight over Paul or John or Mr Wommack...nothing's changed in over 2000 years
But you can bring change by refusing to join in with the loud raucous voices of bitter dissent and in-fighting about serious Christian leaders whose ministries bear solid spiritual fruit. The critics are not obedient to God's word for their hostile speech.
 
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You want to ridicule everything on youtube,
and everyone who uses it,
just because you don't like a critical video?



Really faulty logic here, but a good way to dismiss anything you don't like.



Youtube is nothing more or less than a place where media is published.

The PLACE the media is published has nothing to do, good or bad, with the content of each bit of media.

Some of the finest universities in the world, like Yale and Harvard, publish media on youtube.

The publishing outlet has nothing to do with the quality of each piece of media being published.
Ridiculing everything that appears on youtube is just silly, and extremely faulty logic.
Even if you shout some faulty logic a thousand times... it's still faulty logic.

Something silly doesn't become more true the more you shout it in a forum.

Seriously.
YouTube has its merit, and some very good, quality things can be accessed there. THAT is not my argument.

I see that people who resort to YouTube to get their silly points across about known teachers of the word, leaders in the Body of Christ, have no wisdom, because such videos are concocted to support a bias! True research should not include such incendiary nonsense. It doesn't look good, nor does it say to me that the person posting such tripe is interested in getting to the real truth. It's just lazy and in the spirit of contention, and literally giving way to hearsay...not intelligent argument. Not classy.

My opinion is a valid one. Your large, bold, and not to mention red shouting is duly noted, though. :D
 
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Your perspective noted. And thank you.

From my perspective.........

This guy is instrumental in today's faulty notion that men do have the authority over sickness.
No...we have the authority of Christ over sickness. Jesus says so.
 

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YouTube has its merit, and some very good, quality things can be accessed there. THAT is not my argument.

I see that people who resort to YouTube to get their silly points across about known teachers of the word, leaders in the Body of Christ, have no wisdom, because such videos are concocted to support a bias! True research should not include such incendiary nonsense. It doesn't look good, nor does it say to me that the person posting such tripe is interested in getting to the real truth. It's just lazy and in the spirit of contention, and literally giving way to hearsay...not intelligent argument. Not classy.

My opinion is a valid one. Your large, bold, and not to mention red shouting is duly noted, though. :D
Yes, yes it was your argument.

You've been saying over and over and over...
how things on Youtube were essentially stupid and useless.

You ridiculed everyone for using Youtube.

You did this incessantly as a way to "shame and deflect",
so you don't have to deal with the CONTENT of videos you dislike.

In fact, you kept doing that, over and over, to SHUT EVERYONE UP,
until the very moment I pointed out that your argument was illogical and silly.

Now you suddenly want to go back and change everything you said.


Going back and trying to change what you said...
isn't that something politicians always do whenever they get "caught"?
Don't we have a term for that?
 
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No...we have the authority of Christ over sickness. Jesus says so.
And your perspective is noted and I thank you for that.

From my perspective.........

No, the Lord Jesus Christ does not say so.