ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FLESHLY BODIES

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Truth7t7

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I read the same scripture and I find that God said this union produced evil people. There was no hope of correcting them, it was so hopeless that it was best to destroy them. That is not true of unions between humans. They were said to be different, Your statement that they were not different but humans like us is against scripture.
That is not true of unions between humans?

Noah's Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah, it appears that you desire to keep Calvary Chapels Chuck Missler's Nephilim alive, he died roughly 2 Years ago, and his teaching is in the grave also.
 

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Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

This scripture, it seems that there is no problem

(KJV)Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days;and also after that,when the sons of god came in unto the daughters of men,and they bare children to them,the same became mighty men which were of old,men of renown.

But this translation describes the cause of the problem they bare children to them
I don't know why the Scriptures become so inconsistent


If the sons of God here refer to angels, then Genesis says that in the garden of Eden do not know shame, That might make sense,cuz angels did not eat The fruit of the tree of good and evil, Even they don't know what kind of behavior can cause evil for human being.
but for human,cuz Adam and Eve ate The fruit of the tree of good and evil, then all human being had the knowledge of good and evil.
This is just my speculation based on the KJV translations, they bare children to them
I agree, I haven't found a scripture saying that sons of God in the first five books of the bible is referring to angels, have you? We know that angels are sons of God, and humans are sons of God, and that reference is a mystery. We do know that when they married with human women they produced evil beings. That is no mystery.
 

Truth7t7

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I agree, I haven't found a scripture saying that sons of God in the first five books of the bible is referring to angels, have you? We know that angels are sons of God, and humans are sons of God, and that reference is a mystery. We do know that when they married with human women they produced evil beings. That is no mystery.
No place in the scripture does God's word teach Angels are (Sons of God) no place.
 

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I agree, I haven't found a scripture saying that sons of God in the first five books of the bible is referring to angels, have you? We know that angels are sons of God, and humans are sons of God, and that reference is a mystery. We do know that when they married with human women they produced evil beings. That is no mystery.
Angels don't marry, are you blind to the scripture.

Mark 12:25KJV
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
 
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I read the same scripture and I find that God said this union produced evil people. There was no hope of correcting them, it was so hopeless that it was best to destroy them. That is not true of unions between humans. They were said to be different, Your statement that they were not different but humans like us is against scripture.
Well actually..... It says ...."the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
So if they bible says they were men, then they were men.
 
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How can the morning stars in Job be people when this was before Adam was created?
Adam the first of mankind was created from the dust of the field . Abel the first prophet, apostle (messenger/ angel)sent with the gospel .He also the first martyr mentioned is one of the many sons of God who could enter the place of prayer like Job.

Just as the spirit of lies came with the prayers of saints .The same spirit of lies worked in Cain .This show Satan who accuses the sons of God believers all day and night as been a mass murderer, serial killer from the beginning.

He hates all flesh and blood creatures that are subject to salvation. Lying spirit are not subject to salvation.
 
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Adam the first of mankind was created from the dust of the field . Abel the first prophet, apostle (messenger/ angel)sent with the gospel .He also the first martyr mentioned is one of the many sons of God who could enter the place of prayer like Job.

Just as the spirit of lies came with the prayers of saints .The same spirit of lies worked in Cain .This show Satan who accuses the sons of God believers all day and night as been a mass murderer, serial killer from the beginning.

He hates all flesh and blood creatures that are subject to salvation. Lying spirit are not subject to salvation.
That does not address the scripture in Job 38 at all.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

when God asks him Where were you? God is saying Job was not there. Do you understand that?
If so, how could sons of God in verse 7 be men, if men were not created yet? Stick to this text for your answer please.
 

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Well actually..... It says ...."the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
So if they bible says they were men, then they were men.
I agree 100%, the scripture is plain, simple, easy to understand.

(MEN)

Genesis 6:4KJV
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 

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Angels don't marry, are you blind to the scripture.

Mark 12:25KJV
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Some beings that are called sons of God in scripture did marry humans and we are not given an explanation about these beings, but they produced evil. That is what we are told in scripture, must we tear this information apart?

You are right, we are told that the angels at this time do not marry humans, so what? It neither affirms or denies the truth that there was a union that produced evil.
 

Truth7t7

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Some beings that are called sons of God in scripture did marry humans and we are not given an explanation about these beings, but they produced evil. That is what we are told in scripture, must we tear this information apart?

You are right, we are told that the angels at this time do not marry humans, so what? It neither affirms or denies the truth that there was a union that produced evil.
The Bible speaks (Clearly) about the (Sons of God) they were human (MEN), you ignore the simple truth before your eyes, why?

(HUMAN MEN)

Genesis 6:4KJV
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 

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The Bible speaks (Clearly) about the (Sons of God) they were human (MEN), you ignore the simple truth before your eyes, why?

(HUMAN MEN)

Genesis 6:4KJV
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Only the book of Enoch explains them as only evil, so if you believe the book of Enoch is a lie then, there is a possibility that they were not evil. Biblically, they were larger than any human of today.

By the designation sons of God, that means someone created by the Lord. The Lord created both man and angels.
 

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Only the book of Enoch explains them as only evil, so if you believe the book of Enoch is a lie then, there is a possibility that they were not evil. Biblically, they were larger than any human of today.

By the designation sons of God, that means someone created by the Lord. The Lord created both man and angels.
First the book of enoch was not written by enoch which it claims this is false. also know as "Pseudepigrapha" written under aflame name. Just like the Gnostic gospel of Mary, Judas , and Thomas . That is a big red flag the author cannot be verified. 2. they only reason why some church fathers supported the book od enoch was because they thought it was written by him. this was found to be incorrect.