ANGELS DO NOT HAVE FLESHLY BODIES

[Scribe]

I think you may be right, as it says they came to present themselves before the Lord. They wouldn't need to to do that if they had been angels. Unless God brought angels along to be a part of the discussion - which seems unlikely, in view of the fact that the term here, "Sons of God" - probably refers to humans. They are not called "Sons of God" again in Job, I see - at least - not as being present in this event. And the "Sons of God" - in this event, are not recorded as having said anything, in this early part of the story, before the tragedies happened. I don't know who these men may have been. And Job's 3 friends didn't show up until after the calamities had taken place.

Job 2:1
2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
KJV

This passage is Job must be calling angels sons of god because he is saying NO man was there when this happened at creation.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I don't believe angels had fleshly bodies. They are only described as being spirits in the Bible. As such, they have been able to appear invisibly, to people. And sometimes looking like what they really look like - angels. Though sometimes, God has sent angels to mankind in visible form, to look like ordinary humans, too.
KJV

Angels can take on human form as well, remember when God and two angels visited Abraham in genesis, they purposely went to talk to Abraham about Sodom and Gomorrah, because they knew lot lived there, and also i believe that God purposely did things for the bible and the give us something to meditate on for enjoyment and advice and understanding of how he works.

Most of the times angels appeared in visions, they didnt appear as men. There are exceptions to the rule though. I havent heard any stories where an angel appeared to them as a man, i suppose we have the word as answers to our questions, there is no need for God to keep showing up and peoples lives and give new insight, that doesnt matter nowadays, we have the word of God.

 

[CS1]

I think you may be right, as it says they came to present themselves before the Lord. They wouldn't need to to do that if they had been angels. Unless God brought angels along to be a part of the discussion - which seems unlikely, in view of the fact that the term here, "Sons of God" - probably refers to humans. They are not called "Sons of God" again in Job, I see - at least - not as being present in this event. And the "Sons of God" - in this event, are not recorded as having said anything, in this early part of the story, before the tragedies happened. I don't know who these men may have been. And Job's 3 friends didn't show up until after the calamities had taken place.

Job 2:1
2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
KJV

fyi

 

[garee]

This passage is Job must be calling angels sons of god because he is saying NO man was there when this happened at creation.
4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Angels messengers as sons of God called apostles are the prayer request in Job. Along with the truth of the gospel Satan offered another kind of gospel not after hearing God but hearing men Lying spirits have no flesh and blood .It the unseen we do wrestles against .

The morning stars are the believers they reflect the unseen hidden glory of our God. The bright light as a source of light and the reflection. The demonstration in the Son of man, Jesus . Together they make up the one glory of God.

A picture of the bride of Christ wearing her husband Christ victor crown as a imputed righteousness. Twelve represented the whole of stars to represent all of the redeemed.

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

 

[CS1]

I always fascinated how this topic is so much asked about when we do not take the word of God and Who God is into consideration.


God is an all-consuming fire where flesh and blood cannot stand before HIM and live. Yet angels can. Luke 1:19

"God is the only one who can create LIFE! Angels are spiritual being created by God for HIS Purpose

Heb 1:7

"And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."

. They have free will but they cannot Create LIFE. God has ordained HOW life will come forth Physical and Eternal life IS as GOD said it will be. Angels and the devil himself cannot change it, nor can they create life or give it.
can they be seen with the eye? Yes. Can they do supernatural things? yes.
Are they subjected to the word of God and can only do what God allows them to do within the Purpose of HIS will and how HE created them? Absolutely.

1pet 3:22

"Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. "

God did not make them of flesh, God made the angels of spirit. God made them in a way, that they can stand before HIS Presence and not be consumed.

Are we saying spiritual beings can at their own will, become flesh to have sexual relations,(as some suggest) then return to the spiritual non-physical body and be in the presence of ( the devil comes before the presence of God JOB show that) God because they want to?

How did the created become able to move in this capacity outside of the will of God, then go back to its former state?

I think we give angels way to much credit, and the ability to overcome the power of God's order of creation.

I think we do so because having sex with women and being an angel sells books and makes sci-fi movies more interesting, but cannot be established by the word of God unless you do the following:

1. Limit God
2. remove HIS supreme authority
3. elevate angels to the level of the Lord God
4. say angel can create outside the will of God and HIS word

you remove those four truths. You can make angels do whatever you want them to do and use the Bible to prove it.

 

[Dino246]

I accept the plain text mixing it with faith.

You reject the plain text which states that Samuel appeared to Saul. You made that clear in your previous post.

You simply literalize the understanding hid in parables. Your unwillingness to mix faith in what is seen and heard , the temporal is sad.

Irrelevant to the subject. You have no evidence to support your accusations.

Can we commune with the dead?

No. God allowed it on one occasion, for His purposes.

 

[Scribe]

Angels messengers as sons of God called apostles are the prayer request in Job. Along with the truth of the gospel Satan offered another kind of gospel not after hearing God but hearing men Lying spirits have no flesh and blood .It the unseen we do wrestles against .

The morning stars are the believers they reflect the unseen hidden glory of our God. The bright light as a source of light and the reflection. The demonstration in the Son of man, Jesus . Together they make up the one glory of God.

A picture of the bride of Christ wearing her husband Christ victor crown as a imputed righteousness. Twelve represented the whole of stars to represent all of the redeemed.

Revelation 12 King James Version (KJV) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

How can the morning stars in Job be people when this was before Adam was created?

 

[Truth7t7]

It clearly tells us that it was because they took them wives which is something that men do with women. It says nothing about cohabitation, not sure why that word would come to your mind. The sons of Seth started calling themselves by the name of God, as in sons of god, children of god, people of god, because Cains people were not following god. So plain you have to be taught to think something different. The writer assumed it was so plain that he did not explain who the sons of god were a second time assuming that the reader would know he was referring to those of Seths camp who he had already mentioned in Gen 4. To say that it does not tell us who the sons of god were is a personal opinion on the text because you missed it. Reading Comprehension rules apply here.
People can believe what they want but it there is no missing information that requires guessing. What was displeasing was that the godly were taking wives from the daughters of men Cains camp, as these wives were not living lives of righteousness. Enoch prophesied that judgement was coming for their harsh words they spoke against God. When the godly started marrying these ungodly women they started practicing ungodliness and that is why God said my Spirit will not always strive with man.
God is always displeased when the godly lay down their godliness for the gratification of their flesh and fall away from faith.

Your response is 110% on target, nothing can be added good Post!

This response completely destroys the false teaching of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-7, the (Sons of God) seen were human men that took human wives, and went astray.

Amen!

 

[Dino246]

It clearly tells us that it was because they took them wives which is something that men do with women. It says nothing about cohabitation, not sure why that word would come to your mind. The sons of Seth started calling themselves by the name of God, as in sons of god, children of god, people of god, because Cains people were not following god. So plain you have to be taught to think something different. The writer assumed it was so plain that he did not explain who the sons of god were a second time assuming that the reader would know he was referring to those of Seths camp who he had already mentioned in Gen 4. To say that it does not tell us who the sons of god were is a personal opinion on the text because you missed it. Reading Comprehension rules apply here.
People can believe what they want but it there is no missing information that requires guessing.

You have appealed to the plain text, but inserted several "facts" that aren't in the plain text. Years ago, someone else made a claim about something being "so plain that it didn't need to be mentioned" (on a different issue). I rejected the claim as groundless then, and I reject yours as groundless now. Your version doesn't account for the "men of renown" at all.

 

[tourist]

I from the Seventh-day Adventists church.

So is my wife. I have attended many Sabbath services. Nice friendly peeps.

 

[preacher4truth]

Jesus Christ isn't Michael The Arch Angel.

There isn't an Investigative Judgement taking place after the failed claim of Jesus Christ return in 1844

The soul dosent sleep upon death

As all taught by the false prophetess Ellen G. White in 7th Day Adventism

Yes, all of those are indications of heretical non-biblical beliefs. Ellen G. White is the false prophet of the SDA sect, and has, to the denial of SDA's made several false prophecies, and they also deny they look to her writings as they do Scripture in some cases.

It is documented that when Dr. Walter Martin spoke with this sect, they lied to him about their beliefs so as to not be found out to be unorthodox and instead cultish. This was found out later after his interview. Millerites, SDA, JW's were all sects that stemmed off some error being propagated years ago at the same time. Each group remains heretical.

 

[CS1]

So is my wife. I have attended many Sabbath services. Nice friendly peeps.

Tourist my wife is crazy it's ok I still like you LOL

 

[Blik]

Your response is 110% on target, nothing can be added good Post!

This response completely destroys the false teaching of the Nephilim in Genesis 6:1-7, the (Sons of God) seen were human men that took human wives, and went astray.

Amen!

The Lord told us not to add to or take away from scripture, but in this post many people are adding their say so to scripture, How can they believe in a Holy God and not listen to Him? Scripture does not explain what God means by the "Sons of God" yet many are adding to scripture to explain it to us.

 

[CS1]

The Lord told us not to add to or take away from scripture, but in this post many people are adding their say so to scripture, How can they believe in a Holy God and not listen to Him? Scripture does not explain what God means by the "Sons of God" yet many are adding to scripture to explain it to us.

I disagree there have been two-point presented both have used scriptures and yet nothing was said that changed salvation or essentials.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Lord told us not to add to or take away from scripture, but in this post many people are adding their say so to scripture, How can they believe in a Holy God and not listen to Him? Scripture does not explain what God means by the "Sons of God" yet many are adding to scripture to explain it to us.

(Scripture Presented)

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

You will closely note in verse 4 below, the (Giants) are mentioned in the earth, before the (Sons of God) "After That" came in unto the daughters, simple and clear.

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[Blik]

(Scripture Presented)

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

You will closely note in verse 4 below, the (Giants) are mentioned in the earth, before the (Sons of God) "After That" came in unto the daughters, simple and clear.

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

I do not understand how you feel you can take on giving scripture to make the statement that by saying "sons of God" God meant they were human. Scripture does not say "I mean human" any more than scripture tells us "I mean angels". There are things in scripture that we don't understand because scripture doesn't tell us. We are not to say that scripture says something that is not in scripture but something we assume.

We agree that Christ saves us, we are a unit. But we disagree about reporting something in scripture that isn't there.

 

[Truth7t7]

I do not understand how you feel you can take on giving scripture to make the statement that by saying "sons of God" God meant they were human. Scripture does not say "I mean human" any more than scripture tells us "I mean angels". There are things in scripture that we don't understand because scripture doesn't tell us. We are not to say that scripture says something that is not in scripture but something we assume.

We agree that Christ saves us, we are a unit. But we disagree about reporting something in scripture that isn't there.

If you can't clearly see that the (Sons of God) in Genesis 6:1-7 below were human men of the (Flesh) then we strongly disagree.

(Scripture Presented)

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

You will closely note in verse 4 below, the (Giants) are mentioned in the earth, before the (Sons of God) "After That" came in unto the daughters, simple and clear.

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[Blik]

If you can't clearly see that the (Sons of God) in Genesis 6:1-7 below were human men of the (Flesh) then we strongly disagree.

(Scripture Presented)

The Sons of God Were Human Men, they married human wives and had human children, simple

You will closely note in verse 4 below, the (Giants) are mentioned in the earth, before the (Sons of God) "After That" came in unto the daughters, simple and clear.

John 1:12KJV
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 3:1KJV
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

God Was Striving With Man (Flesh), Not Angels

Genesis 6:1-7KJV
6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

I read the same scripture and I find that God said this union produced evil people. There was no hope of correcting them, it was so hopeless that it was best to destroy them. That is not true of unions between humans. They were said to be different, Your statement that they were not different but humans like us is against scripture.

 

[Blik]

I read the same scripture and I find that God said this union produced evil people. There was no hope of correcting them, it was so hopeless that it was best to destroy them. That is not true of unions between humans. They were said to be different, Your statement that they were not different but humans like us is against scripture.

You are applying words written 4,ooo years later. God remains the same with the same policies at any age, but we are to know what those words meant to the author who took down what God told them. The scripture you quote does not apply to men who were so evil it was hopeless to think of making them godly. The men called sons of God produced people who were hopeless. The authors could not mean the same things.

 

[soberxp]

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

This scripture, it seems that there is no problem

(KJV)Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days;and also after that,when the sons of god came in unto the daughters of men,and they bare children to them,the same became mighty men which were of old,men of renown.

But this translation describes the cause of the problem they bare children to them
I don't know why the Scriptures become so inconsistent

If the sons of God here refer to angels, then Genesis says that in the garden of Eden do not know shame, That might make sense,cuz angels did not eat The fruit of the tree of good and evil, Even they don't know what kind of behavior can cause evil for human being.
but for human,cuz Adam and Eve ate The fruit of the tree of good and evil, then all human being had the knowledge of good and evil.
This is just my speculation based on the KJV translations, they bare children to them