ANTI-Women

[VioletReigns]

We are not friends just happen to have friends in common thats why I said same friend circle she wrote me a letter to be mean and make fun of me

Ok, well that's hurtful. I agree. Nevertheless, dear Mary ~ just forgive her because she doesn't know what she's doing if she hasn't come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Ya know? You're so young dear, there will be many more instances in your life when people are careless about your feelings.

I'll tell you a secret I wished I had learned when I was young: insults actually strip off our flesh and reveal Christ more in us. It's the miracle of grace! When we look to Jesus and He shows us how to "despise the humiliation" (give insults not an iota of credence), our flesh burns away and the Holy Spirit is more evident in us. It's an amazing truth! \/

You know you're not anti-woman, right? That comment against you has no credence, no worth. You don't have to prove it to anyone, you and God know it's not true. Let that sink in. It's a lie! So just let it go, don't even keep a record of it. You're free in Christ. The truth is, Jesus is not anti-woman and He dwells in you.

 

[mar09]

Woops! Just saw you are not married! Why bother even posting on this topic?

But she is married, angela.

 

[Dan58]

I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?

Your sympathy should go to her husband, not her (Proverbs 21:9 and 25:24)

Remember that in Genesis 3:6 Eve gave to Adam and he did eat (submit).. I suspect God reversed the order of things after that?

Marriage is when 2 people are joined together to become one, all the trouble starts when they try to decide which one.

"The husband is the head of the home, and the wife is the neck. The neck supports the head, and helps the head to fulfill its duties"

 

[mailmandan]

I think some women are used to being treated poorly by men and for a woman to say they want to submit to that other women find it rediculas.
Let them know that you submit to your husband because he is the kind of man that does everything for you and looks after you!

When wives submit to their own husbands, as to the Lord and husbands love their wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her (Galatians 5:22-25), then the marriage is in proper balance. If the husband treats his wife poorly and does not properly love her, then she is less likely to properly submit to him.

 

[blue_ladybug]

But she is married, angela.

No she isn't. She said she wasn't.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No she isn't. She said she wasn't.

A mystery, is she or is she not??

 

[kaylagrl]

I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?

I wouldnt say you are anti-woman, but reading some of your threads and posts you have some unusual ideas about submission that are a bit naive.There are things that I would not agree with but what you believe is what you believe and you have a right to it. People disagree all the time on any given subject,thats life. Your friend shouldnt berate you for your opinions. She wouldnt like it if it was done to her Im sure.

 

[kaylagrl]

The problem is that a lot of crappy men have used that verse to justify beating and contrlling their women to a point that is certainly unbiblical. And since those are the stories that get spread, its clear why your friends would view this negatively. You need to show them examples of this working in the way God intended.

Thanks,you saved me from pointing that out. Thats where the problem lies. Ive seen a lot of abuse put under the banner of submission. Verbal and physical. Very poor teaching in this area.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Thanks,you saved me from pointing that out. Thats where the problem lies. Ive seen a lot of abuse put under the banner of submission. Verbal and physical. Very poor teaching in this area.

Really? Ive seen plenty of abuse, but never in the name of God, in fact from what I have seen, like every abusive relationship I have seen or heard of has come from secular homes.

 

[jsr1221]

It would be so much easier and less controversial if the Bible used the word (serve) rather than submit... "Wives, serve your husbands." Hmm... On second thought, maybe not.

 

[kaylagrl]

Really? Ive seen plenty of abuse, but never in the name of God, in fact from what I have seen, like every abusive relationship I have seen or heard of has come from secular homes.

Well that may be your experience but I have seen it many,many times in Christian homes. Not to mention there are pastors who teach submission incorrectly. And Ive seen women abused because of it.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

It would be so much easier and less controversial if the Bible used the word (serve) rather than submit... "Wives, serve your husbands." Hmm... On second thought, maybe not.

Nah, no matter what was written, it will be perverted, like anything else in this world.

Sadly, theres a group of people in the world who have turned the word submit into an extreme perversion, and I think people often apply the word to that when they see it in the bible, and think that the bible is a perverted book, when it had absolutely nothing to do with that....."lifestyle".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well that may be your experience but I have seen it many,many times in Christian homes. Not to mention there are pastors who teach submission incorrectly. And Ive seen women abused because of it.

I think abuse of women in the name of God has been going on for thousands of years now. And I know God does not like it!

 

[kaylagrl]

I think abuse of women in the name of God has been going on for thousands of years now. And I know God does not like it!

You certainly said that right! Its a great pity!

 

[VioletReigns]

The subject was a supposed friend raking her over the coals because of her beliefs and if she should apologize....not necessarily the submisson subject....

Um.... raking her over the coals?? Aren't you exaggerating a tad, bro? It was a simple insult. If we wanna talk about submission, this would be a good time to demonstrate it. We're to love even our enemies and show them the love of Jesus in season out of season. If we can't deal with a simple insult, how in the world do we expect to be submissive to one another in a life-time commitment such as marriage? How can we try to sell folks on submission if we can't even exhibit it in our own lives?

Jesus submitted His whole life to God for the purpose of our coming to the knowledge of Truth. Jesus made Himself of no reputation. The Apostle Paul was being beat up in prison yet still reached out to the guards with Christ's love and most of them came to the knowledge of God's truth. Everywhere Paul was imprisoned guards and officials were coming to Jesus. Insults are not equivalent to being raked over coals.

Again, true submission is the work of God, not of our own works. It's not a decision to do a duty. It is a total surrender to Jesus Christ in trust and allowing Him to give us His servant heart. It's His miraculous GRACE! ♥

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You certainly said that right! Its a great pity!

Yes it is, God said he made us one, Not me then you ..

 

[MarcR]

I have someone in my friend circle who decided to write me a letter about how I was anti-women because I made a comment about how women should submit in a marriage she wrote that it "sickens" her and I honestly feel so bad and hurt by this. Should I apologize for something I believe?

You should definitely NOT apologize for a stand based on Scripture.

You can explain that your point of view is based on your belief in the authority of God's Word.

If true, you can say that you support equal treatment for women in the workplace.

You should understand that many women do not give pleasing God a high priority in their lives; and to many of them, women's lib is important. That commitment on their part is not personally directed at you; so you should learn not to be hurt by it.

You do well to feel bad about it; and you should pray for their salvation if they are unsaved or for them to have a more commited walk with the Lord if they are saved.

 

[VioletReigns]

You should definitely NOT apologize for a stand based on Scripture.

You can explain that your point of view is based on your belief in the authority of God's Word.

If true, you can say that you support equal treatment for women in the workplace.

You should understand that many women do not give pleasing God a high priority in their lives; and to many of them, women's lib is important. That commitment on their part is not personally directed at you; so you should learn not to be hurt by it.

You do well to feel bad about it; and you should pray for their salvation if they are unsaved or for them to have a more commited walk with the Lord if they are saved.

That might read "righteous" on the surface to some, but in the reality of Christ Jesus, you are judging things according to the flesh. The trials of this life are to be expected as God uses all situations to bring people to His knowledge and to set people free.

Jesus didn't walk this earth approaching people to criticize and judge them. People were drawn to Him by His living example. Jesus draws men unto Him, He doesn't walk around looking for unholy people to accuse and make them feel unworthy.

You made a public judgment:
"many women do not give pleasing God a high priority in their lives"
"to many of them, women's lib is important"

According to Matthew 7:2, you just exposed yourself. You publicly announced that there are some women unacceptable in your fleshly sight. Your quotes did not come from the Spirit of Christ Jesus. The Lord wouldn't even judge a woman caught in adultery. Jesus said He doesn't condemn, and yet you condemn "some women" according to your judgment.

The reason people recoil from such legalistic terminology (submit, obey, humble, convict, confess, repent) is because of those who preach God’s Law from the flesh point of view. They preach that obedience is a duty, as if our flesh will ever desire to obey God. The flesh (carnal man) is direct opposition to God. That’s why we’re not supposed to judge one another according to appearance, the Word says. We are to keep our eyes on Jesus and His Holy Spirit will draw people to Him. So long as you have your eyes on the outward man, so long as you judge people, they will not see Jesus in you. They will see YOU!

If you have spiritual ears to hear, you would already know it’s impossible for the flesh to please God. Going through the motions of obedience is not holy surrender. Conditioning yourself according to church doctrine is not holy surrender. Looking at Christ Jesus and seeing people according to His grace is the only way to surrender so that He can draw people to Himself.

If you see people as good vs bad, holy vs unholy, rather than God’s handiwork makes you a judge. You can quote scripture to high heaven and speak in all manner of religious language and it won't hold a tiny flame to the truth of God. It'll burn up like wood, hay and stubble because it is absolutely useless. Obedience like a slave doesn't make a man free in Jesus.

If Jesus Christ Himself doesn't expect us to obey Him like a slave, why would you even imagine God wants people to make themselves slaves to obey what you say they should obey? Seriously, all we need to do is keep our eyes upon our Savior Jesus and listen to His voice to us and let His Holy Spirit do the working out in us so people can see Him.

Christ Jesus makes a person set free in the spirit only by His grace: His unfailing, unmerited love. If people can't see that in you, all the scripture quoting and religious preaching in the world ain't gonna open their eyes to God.

 

[iwant2serve]

I will do my best to bring light to submission biblically.
No one can force submission and say God said to submit. Godly submission is a voluntary act. If a man loves his wife like Jesus loves the church and she is a godly woman submission is automatic. Rather we like it or not we all submit to someone, be it home, work, or law. People who do not understand God like submission for the most part are afraid they are no longer in control which no one likes to feel someone else is in control of them. It does not mean that the wife has no opinion ( a good read on godly submission of the wife is proverbs 31). Godly submission is not giving another person control over you but permitting them to care for your well being. That is what the husband is to do for his family, care for them so much that he will give up his life to make them safe.

 

[kaylagrl]

You should definitely NOT apologize for a stand based on Scripture.

You can explain that your point of view is based on your belief in the authority of God's Word.

If true, you can say that you support equal treatment for women in the workplace.

You should understand that many women do not give pleasing God a high priority in their lives; and to many of them, women's lib is important. That commitment on their part is not personally directed at you; so you should learn not to be hurt by it.

You do well to feel bad about it; and you should pray for their salvation if they are unsaved or for them to have a more commited walk with the Lord if they are saved.

You may want to read some of Marys other posts on the subject.I think she is a sweet person but somewhat misguided on submission. Some things I can agree with but you have to be careful how you preach and teach this subject. As Ive said Ive seen a lot of abuse with these Bible verses. And a lot of those woman are no longer Christians.