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prprincesa The Antichrist is already here. It has been for over 2000 years. You have to understand many of the verses in the bible in order to understand why I say it is here and always has been since Jesus left.
What has happened is the antichrist, being a spirit, has lead many people away from what the bible says about it. Read 1 John real good, there you will see that the antichrist is those who were once with those who followed Jesus and the apostles but left to form their own religion and ways.
This is one reason, among many, why some believe the "antichrist" will come from the catholic church. But in reality, it is in all the churches and not one single religion as none really follow Jesus or do the things he did.
The "man of sin" spoken of in Daniel IS NOT the antichrist like so many scholars have been teaching. The man of sin is none other than Satan, provable by many scriptures starting in Isaiah and continuing to the book of Revelation.
What differs the "man of sin" from the "antichrist" is that the antichrist will be cast into the bottomless pit upon the return of Jesus for the millennium. Satan will also be cast into the bottomless pit, but he will be released after the 1000 years are up.
The antichrist will not be released, only Satan. Therefore we have two distinct entities and they are not one in the same.
After the millennium is up, as you can read in chapter 20 of the book of Revelation, you will see where Satan gathers Gog and Magog to do battle against the saints. This is the war that Ezekiel talks about in chapter 38 and 39, and it is the war that everyone is saying will happen before Jesus returns, when in fact it will not happen until after the millennium.
Does this help you?
Moshelijah This bit of informaiton may help you as well. I would also like to add to your comments that the law of Moses was done away with when Jesus took over. Hence the statement: "the law and the prophets were until John the baptist."
Jesus is the water of life. While it is God that gives us spirit, Jesus is the one who ultimately decides who lives and who will not live during the millennium. The water is not physical water or baptism.
After the millennium will come the second and third offer of salvation, hence the reason Jesus and Peter were tempted three times, the three times of denial and the three times of acceptance by Peter coinside. Thus: "pray that your flight be not in the winter or the Sabbath." Indicating that your flight must be now, not later.
Your flight is your slavation time. The first chosen will receive life now and live during the millennium, after that is the winter followed by the Sabbath day. That is why Jesus said to pray that your flight IS NOT during this time period. Read chapter 20 in Revelation as it points out the other two resurrections, one in the winter (after the war) and the other on the Day of Judgement. (the Sabbath)
The law of Moses has nothing to do with salvation. That is part of the deception brought on by the spirits of the antichrist that teach false things about the bible and the kingdom of God, and yes, the church is a symbol of peace too isn't it? After all, who would think the antichrist lives in our churches?
Another point i want to make is this, although it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, there are seven resurrections that wil happen before all is said and done, And yes, they are all in the bible. Two have already happened, three will happen when Jesus returns, two will happen after the millennium. This makes it a total of seven, highly unlike the "one" that is being taught.
Make sure it is the spirit of God teaching you and not the spirit of the "antichrist."
What has happened is the antichrist, being a spirit, has lead many people away from what the bible says about it. Read 1 John real good, there you will see that the antichrist is those who were once with those who followed Jesus and the apostles but left to form their own religion and ways.
This is one reason, among many, why some believe the "antichrist" will come from the catholic church. But in reality, it is in all the churches and not one single religion as none really follow Jesus or do the things he did.
The "man of sin" spoken of in Daniel IS NOT the antichrist like so many scholars have been teaching. The man of sin is none other than Satan, provable by many scriptures starting in Isaiah and continuing to the book of Revelation.
What differs the "man of sin" from the "antichrist" is that the antichrist will be cast into the bottomless pit upon the return of Jesus for the millennium. Satan will also be cast into the bottomless pit, but he will be released after the 1000 years are up.
The antichrist will not be released, only Satan. Therefore we have two distinct entities and they are not one in the same.
After the millennium is up, as you can read in chapter 20 of the book of Revelation, you will see where Satan gathers Gog and Magog to do battle against the saints. This is the war that Ezekiel talks about in chapter 38 and 39, and it is the war that everyone is saying will happen before Jesus returns, when in fact it will not happen until after the millennium.
Does this help you?
Moshelijah This bit of informaiton may help you as well. I would also like to add to your comments that the law of Moses was done away with when Jesus took over. Hence the statement: "the law and the prophets were until John the baptist."
Jesus is the water of life. While it is God that gives us spirit, Jesus is the one who ultimately decides who lives and who will not live during the millennium. The water is not physical water or baptism.
After the millennium will come the second and third offer of salvation, hence the reason Jesus and Peter were tempted three times, the three times of denial and the three times of acceptance by Peter coinside. Thus: "pray that your flight be not in the winter or the Sabbath." Indicating that your flight must be now, not later.
Your flight is your slavation time. The first chosen will receive life now and live during the millennium, after that is the winter followed by the Sabbath day. That is why Jesus said to pray that your flight IS NOT during this time period. Read chapter 20 in Revelation as it points out the other two resurrections, one in the winter (after the war) and the other on the Day of Judgement. (the Sabbath)
The law of Moses has nothing to do with salvation. That is part of the deception brought on by the spirits of the antichrist that teach false things about the bible and the kingdom of God, and yes, the church is a symbol of peace too isn't it? After all, who would think the antichrist lives in our churches?
Another point i want to make is this, although it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, there are seven resurrections that wil happen before all is said and done, And yes, they are all in the bible. Two have already happened, three will happen when Jesus returns, two will happen after the millennium. This makes it a total of seven, highly unlike the "one" that is being taught.
Make sure it is the spirit of God teaching you and not the spirit of the "antichrist."
M
Beast has a mark on the forehead ........The catholic church and her daughter church's puts a cross on your forehead.
The Beast has a mark on the right hand .....catholics make the sign of the cross on the right hand.
The Beast has a statue to worship ...............catholics worship the cross.
The Beast has a statue that talks ..................Many catholics report the cross or crucifix talking to them including st Francis of Assisi.
The Beast's name equals 666 .......................the popes title PONT.MAX. equals 666.
The great prostitute sits on seven hills .........Rome / the Vatican sits on seven hills.
The Beast reigns for 1260 days ..................history says papal Rome reigned for 1260 years.
Antichrist means like Christ ....................The papacy say they are like Christ on Earth.
for those with eyes to see.
Yep. Still throwing out the same tired arguments without any substance. Seriously, do you have anything to add to the argument other than that same list?
OH noes! We make the sign of Jesus on our foreheads! It's almost like we're anointing ourselves with Christ symbolically to ward of the devil or something! After all, I'm sure the devil really enjoys it when we remind him of his defeat.
And so do the Eastern Orthodox and Anglicans. I believe the Lutherans also do it. But hey, it's not like the majority of the world's population is right handed or something... Oh wait.
Well, there's always the left handed Catholics.
Actually, we worship Jesus Christ. You know, the guy who came down from Heaven and was incarnate of the virgin Mary. Who was crucified under POntius Pilate, died, and rose again on the third day. And later who ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father (Oh noes! The right hand again!!!)
ActuallySt. Francis saw Jesus talking to him from the cross. And just what did that vision tell Francis to do? Oh that's right, repair Jesus' church. ANd what did Francis do? He first rebuilt that particular church, then went on to start an order of monks to spread the gospel and do charitable works. Heck, Francis even went to the front lines of the Crusades and spoke to the Muslim emperor besieging Jerusalem and preached the gospel. Yep, he sure was an evil man!!
Hrmm, first you say the beast's NAME is equal to 666. Then you point to a TITLE of the pope (that isn't even one of the official ones). But a title is not a name. Ellen Gould White IS a name however, and it does come out to 666.... Hrmmm. I'm just saying...
You are aware that Rome and the Vatican are two different cities right? Rome sits on seven hills. But the Vatican sits on one hill, and it's not even one of the seven hills Rome sits on so it can't be the Vatican! So which is it? Is Rome the beast? And if so, which Rome? The Rome at the time of the apostles which was persecuting them? (BTW, Nero Caesar == 666 too!)
Where exactly are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church reigned for 1260 years? What dates are you referring to? You make these claims but don't bother to actually provide any dates or other references to allow people to check their validity out themselves. Which historians should we look at?
Gasp! You mean that the Pope says that he's a servant of the Lord? And that they strive to emulate Christ and encourage others to be like Christ?? OH NO!!! Not that!!!
OH noes! We make the sign of Jesus on our foreheads! It's almost like we're anointing ourselves with Christ symbolically to ward of the devil or something! After all, I'm sure the devil really enjoys it when we remind him of his defeat.
And so do the Eastern Orthodox and Anglicans. I believe the Lutherans also do it. But hey, it's not like the majority of the world's population is right handed or something... Oh wait.
Well, there's always the left handed Catholics.
Actually, we worship Jesus Christ. You know, the guy who came down from Heaven and was incarnate of the virgin Mary. Who was crucified under POntius Pilate, died, and rose again on the third day. And later who ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father (Oh noes! The right hand again!!!)
ActuallySt. Francis saw Jesus talking to him from the cross. And just what did that vision tell Francis to do? Oh that's right, repair Jesus' church. ANd what did Francis do? He first rebuilt that particular church, then went on to start an order of monks to spread the gospel and do charitable works. Heck, Francis even went to the front lines of the Crusades and spoke to the Muslim emperor besieging Jerusalem and preached the gospel. Yep, he sure was an evil man!!
Hrmm, first you say the beast's NAME is equal to 666. Then you point to a TITLE of the pope (that isn't even one of the official ones). But a title is not a name. Ellen Gould White IS a name however, and it does come out to 666.... Hrmmm. I'm just saying...
You are aware that Rome and the Vatican are two different cities right? Rome sits on seven hills. But the Vatican sits on one hill, and it's not even one of the seven hills Rome sits on so it can't be the Vatican! So which is it? Is Rome the beast? And if so, which Rome? The Rome at the time of the apostles which was persecuting them? (BTW, Nero Caesar == 666 too!)
Where exactly are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church reigned for 1260 years? What dates are you referring to? You make these claims but don't bother to actually provide any dates or other references to allow people to check their validity out themselves. Which historians should we look at?
Gasp! You mean that the Pope says that he's a servant of the Lord? And that they strive to emulate Christ and encourage others to be like Christ?? OH NO!!! Not that!!!
M
Yep. Still throwing out the same tired arguments without any substance. Seriously, do you have anything to add to the argument other than that same list?
[/i]OH noes! We make the sign of Jesus on our foreheads! It's almost like we're anointing ourselves with Christ symbolically to ward of the devil or something! After all, I'm sure the devil really enjoys it when we remind him of his defeat.
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And so do the Eastern Orthodox and Anglicans. I believe the Lutherans also do it. But hey, it's not like the majority of the world's population is right handed or something... Oh wait.
Well, there's always the left handed Catholics.
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Actually, we worship Jesus Christ. You know, the guy who came down from Heaven and was incarnate of the virgin Mary. Who was crucified under POntius Pilate, died, and rose again on the third day. And later who ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father (Oh noes! The right hand again!!!)
[/i]ActuallySt. Francis saw Jesus talking to him from the cross. And just what did that vision tell Francis to do? Oh that's right, repair Jesus' church. ANd what did Francis do? He first rebuilt that particular church, then went on to start an order of monks to spread the gospel and do charitable works. Heck, Francis even went to the front lines of the Crusades and spoke to the Muslim emperor besieging Jerusalem and preached the gospel. Yep, he sure was an evil man!!
[/i]Hrmm, first you say the beast's NAME is equal to 666. Then you point to a TITLE of the pope (that isn't even one of the official ones). But a title is not a name. Ellen Gould White IS a name however, and it does come out to 666.... Hrmmm. I'm just saying...
[/i]
You are aware that Rome and the Vatican are two different cities right? Rome sits on seven hills. But the Vatican sits on one hill, and it's not even one of the seven hills Rome sits on so it can't be the Vatican! So which is it? Is Rome the beast? And if so, which Rome? The Rome at the time of the apostles which was persecuting them? (BTW, Nero Caesar == 666 too!)
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Where exactly are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church reigned for 1260 years? What dates are you referring to? You make these claims but don't bother to actually provide any dates or other references to allow people to check their validity out themselves. Which historians should we look at?
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Gasp! You mean that the Pope says that he's a servant of the Lord? And that they strive to emulate Christ and encourage others to be like Christ?? OH NO!!! Not that!!!
[/i]OH noes! We make the sign of Jesus on our foreheads! It's almost like we're anointing ourselves with Christ symbolically to ward of the devil or something! After all, I'm sure the devil really enjoys it when we remind him of his defeat.
[/i]
And so do the Eastern Orthodox and Anglicans. I believe the Lutherans also do it. But hey, it's not like the majority of the world's population is right handed or something... Oh wait.
Well, there's always the left handed Catholics.
[/i]
Actually, we worship Jesus Christ. You know, the guy who came down from Heaven and was incarnate of the virgin Mary. Who was crucified under POntius Pilate, died, and rose again on the third day. And later who ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father (Oh noes! The right hand again!!!)
[/i]ActuallySt. Francis saw Jesus talking to him from the cross. And just what did that vision tell Francis to do? Oh that's right, repair Jesus' church. ANd what did Francis do? He first rebuilt that particular church, then went on to start an order of monks to spread the gospel and do charitable works. Heck, Francis even went to the front lines of the Crusades and spoke to the Muslim emperor besieging Jerusalem and preached the gospel. Yep, he sure was an evil man!!
[/i]Hrmm, first you say the beast's NAME is equal to 666. Then you point to a TITLE of the pope (that isn't even one of the official ones). But a title is not a name. Ellen Gould White IS a name however, and it does come out to 666.... Hrmmm. I'm just saying...
[/i]
You are aware that Rome and the Vatican are two different cities right? Rome sits on seven hills. But the Vatican sits on one hill, and it's not even one of the seven hills Rome sits on so it can't be the Vatican! So which is it? Is Rome the beast? And if so, which Rome? The Rome at the time of the apostles which was persecuting them? (BTW, Nero Caesar == 666 too!)
[/i]
Where exactly are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church reigned for 1260 years? What dates are you referring to? You make these claims but don't bother to actually provide any dates or other references to allow people to check their validity out themselves. Which historians should we look at?
[/i]
Gasp! You mean that the Pope says that he's a servant of the Lord? And that they strive to emulate Christ and encourage others to be like Christ?? OH NO!!! Not that!!!
im sorry how many idols do you own?
M
Beast has a mark on the forehead ........The catholic church and her daughter church's puts a cross on your forehead.
The Beast has a mark on the right hand .....catholics make the sign of the cross on the right hand.
The Beast has a statue to worship ...............catholics worship the cross.
The Beast has a statue that talks ..................Many catholics report the cross or crucifix talking to them including st Francis of Assisi.
The Beast's name equals 666 .......................the popes title PONT.MAX. equals 666.
The great prostitute sits on seven hills .........Rome / the Vatican sits on seven hills.
The Beast reigns for 1260 days ..................history says papal Rome reigned for 1260 years.
Antichrist means like Christ ....................The papacy say they are like Christ on Earth.
for those with eyes to see.
dscherck is blinded by God so he wont see.
lol...dscherck The Father has not chosen you for eternal life. soz
im glad actually. Bai Bai
The Beast has a mark on the right hand .....catholics make the sign of the cross on the right hand.
The Beast has a statue to worship ...............catholics worship the cross.
The Beast has a statue that talks ..................Many catholics report the cross or crucifix talking to them including st Francis of Assisi.
The Beast's name equals 666 .......................the popes title PONT.MAX. equals 666.
The great prostitute sits on seven hills .........Rome / the Vatican sits on seven hills.
The Beast reigns for 1260 days ..................history says papal Rome reigned for 1260 years.
Antichrist means like Christ ....................The papacy say they are like Christ on Earth.
for those with eyes to see.
dscherck is blinded by God so he wont see.
lol...dscherck The Father has not chosen you for eternal life. soz
im glad actually. Bai Bai
Moshelijah, what has hardened your heart so? I see it is important to you that you know the anti-christ but Jesus said keep your eyes on me. It is far more important that you seek our Lord Jesus than seeking the anti-christ. Do not worry so about what is against you as Jesus is your shield. But seek and do that which we as children of God are called to do. witnessing to the Glory of Our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless, pickles
M
lets just say it is this deceptive...
you cant tell whats Gods or satans.
If I'm right you're receiving satans mark while thinking its Gods.
Perfect for lucifer.
BTW vampires flee the crucifix because it is said IT (the crucifix) has Godly powers.
Its a bit like snail bait?
My position is this "repent and BE BAPTISED (BY IMMERSION)" everyone of you, even infants!
M
God bless you pickles. sincerely.
One day I will enter into my rest. as for now we're at war and I'm a volunteer soldier.
In two days, thousands of people will receive catholic christening INSTEAD of BAPTISM.
This is a breach of the oldest covenant. The EVERLASTING COVENANT given to Abraham.
Circumcision of the heart done by Christ in the Waters of BAPTISM (by immersion) is keeping the covenant.
ANY LESS IS TO FORFEIT YOUR INHERITANCE.
Right or Wrong?
One day I will enter into my rest. as for now we're at war and I'm a volunteer soldier.
In two days, thousands of people will receive catholic christening INSTEAD of BAPTISM.
This is a breach of the oldest covenant. The EVERLASTING COVENANT given to Abraham.
Circumcision of the heart done by Christ in the Waters of BAPTISM (by immersion) is keeping the covenant.
ANY LESS IS TO FORFEIT YOUR INHERITANCE.
Right or Wrong?
I was baptized by immersion at a Protestant church after accepting Jesus into my heart at the age of 8 years old. I grew to love the scriptures after watching the example of my beloved grandmother, a very devout Southern Baptist woman. It was through my love of the scriptures and history that the Lord led me to the Catholic Church. I have yet to find a church more devoted to the Lord Jesus and the scriptures, and trust me, I've been to quite a few.
Thankyou for understanding that my words were out of heartfelt concern and not to criticize. I see your concerns about the catholic church. But the mark does not fit with the catholic ash mark. As the mark of the antichrist has to do with buying and selling. I was raised catholic but chose to move more towards a more bible baced faith as I saw much that was not supportive of a real relationship in Jesus. Although much of the docterine in the catholic church is based in wisdom. As I have looked at many different churches I have found that each has its own misguided rules. Mostly because people are not perfect and their mistakes are many. My faith is based in Our Lord Jesus and his word and that is the true church. About baptism, I was baptised in the catholic church and when I was baptised they removed clothing and rested you in the water and also poured it over you. I beliveve I am baptised but have put the question before Jesus and trust he will tell me if I need a redo. I was told by one that my baptism was not valid, I have not been against a redo but my heart tells me that it would be a lie to say that it was not valid. I know some will debate this but if I choose to redo my baptism it will be because Jesus has told me to. If you feel that I am wrong then pray for me about it as I always obey what Jesus puts on my heart. My second concern is that you are so against the catholic church. I only want to caution you that when we judge in faith we must always be careful that we do not bring that judgement apon ourselves. It is not wrong to point out that which is against Gods word, But do consider that if you call what Our Lord Jesus knows are his followers antichrists, he may not be too happy about it. I learned this the hard way and although I praise Jesus for lessons learned having his justice brought to you is a well learned lesson better avoided. I believe a better lesson on the corruption of his churches is better taught through his word and love. Not condemnation. That belongs to Our Lord God. Another thought, more often the wars led by Our Lord God throughout the bible were won with singing, music and praise. There were some that were hand fought but more through faith and praise. Also Jesus is more concerned that we win souls than driving them away. If I have said anything that is not supported by his word please let me know. I am more a word of heart in faith and with my dislexia I do sometimes make mistakes. Thank goodness Jesus is faithfull and teaches through his Spirit, I am greatful for this tutor in his word. Godbless, pickles
dscherck, I do not wish to challenge your belief because it will do no good. Therefore, I will only point out some misconceptions about the Trinity for the other readers if they seek understanding and you if you will listen.
The Trinity does not exist in the realm of God, he is one and only one. Jesus is his son whom God sen into the world, but not his only son. God has many sons besides Jesus.
"Now it came to pass on the day when the "sons of God" came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them." Job 1:1 This explains that there are many sons and that Satan is a separate entity.
"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the "sons of God" shouted for joy?" Job 38:4-7 Notice: "all" the sons of God shouted with joy, not just one.
John 3:16 says that God sent his only "begotten" son, it does not say that he sent his only son. Jesus is not the only son of God. Jesus is not God either less you are saying that Jesus has children like what was just said in the book of Job.
The Trinity belief was brought on by man because they do not have the understanding that only God can give through his spirit. If you check your history you will see that the Trinity belief came about around 300 AD. It was created by those who claimed to be from God just like the catholic church and many others do today who still follow that tradition and claim to be of God.
But John said they are of the antichrist because they deny the father and the son. To say that there is one God made up of three entities, father son, and holy ghost, is a lie and false teaching, and is therefore denying the very son of God Jesus Christ.
Read: "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, 'These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." Rev 3:1 "And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 4:5
How then can there be a Trinity? There cannot. Satan has a plan of deception by claiming that there are only three made into one being because he cannot produce a human flesh body like Jesus had, so he has to dissolve the true Jesus and make him part of his plan proclaiming to be God.
Do you not understand what anti-christ means? false-christ, replacement-christ, either way, it is Satan and the Trinity belief is his calling card.
The Trinity does not exist in the realm of God, he is one and only one. Jesus is his son whom God sen into the world, but not his only son. God has many sons besides Jesus.
"Now it came to pass on the day when the "sons of God" came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them." Job 1:1 This explains that there are many sons and that Satan is a separate entity.
"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the "sons of God" shouted for joy?" Job 38:4-7 Notice: "all" the sons of God shouted with joy, not just one.
John 3:16 says that God sent his only "begotten" son, it does not say that he sent his only son. Jesus is not the only son of God. Jesus is not God either less you are saying that Jesus has children like what was just said in the book of Job.
The Trinity belief was brought on by man because they do not have the understanding that only God can give through his spirit. If you check your history you will see that the Trinity belief came about around 300 AD. It was created by those who claimed to be from God just like the catholic church and many others do today who still follow that tradition and claim to be of God.
But John said they are of the antichrist because they deny the father and the son. To say that there is one God made up of three entities, father son, and holy ghost, is a lie and false teaching, and is therefore denying the very son of God Jesus Christ.
Read: "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, 'These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." Rev 3:1 "And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Rev 4:5
How then can there be a Trinity? There cannot. Satan has a plan of deception by claiming that there are only three made into one being because he cannot produce a human flesh body like Jesus had, so he has to dissolve the true Jesus and make him part of his plan proclaiming to be God.
Do you not understand what anti-christ means? false-christ, replacement-christ, either way, it is Satan and the Trinity belief is his calling card.