DavidTree said:
OK - sounds Good so far, so please procede.
Here is my question(s) again:
Can you please post the scriptures where the LORD and/or His Apostles declare and instruct us of:
Christ descending to rapture a select group of (any of the following) His Sons/Saints/Bride/Church/Elect BEFORE His Second Coming thereby leaving behind Saints that must go thru great tribulation AND then His Second Coming for the Resurrection and rapture for another group of Saints.
David asked a good question, but your response did not answer his question. It seemed more of a theoretical construct.
If God's plan was for Jesus to take glorified believers to heaven, whether before or after the Tribulation, wouldn't it make sense that the Bible would have described it clearly?
Yet, there are no verses that even come close to showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
OK - sounds Good so far, so please procede.
Here is my question(s) again:
Can you please post the scriptures where the LORD and/or His Apostles declare and instruct us of:
Christ descending to rapture a select group of (any of the following) His Sons/Saints/Bride/Church/Elect BEFORE His Second Coming thereby leaving behind Saints that must go thru great tribulation AND then His Second Coming for the Resurrection and rapture for another group of Saints.
Hi David,
It is important to really understand this specific point if you want to know the answer to your questions.
Let me give you an illustration to show you why. Say a native finds a rectangle bit of metal lying on the ground. He wonders what it is. He holds it up one way and then the other. Which way does it go or what is it for? Now along comes a person who is looking for that part of his car, for the bit of metal, is a door. So then it becomes clear that the door is a part of a larger thing that has a purpose and the door fits into the larger purpose.
So that is what is happening when people look at the rapture, the catching away. They think does this bit go here or there or what is it for? Only when we understand God`s great purpose in Christ then we can put the `catching away` in its proper place.
So...
1. God`s purpose is that all rulership, in every realm is to come under the Lord Jesus Christ. (Eph. 1: 10)
2. We know that the Lord made all things, every realm for Himself with authority positions. (Col. 1: 16)
3. We know that in every realm there has come rebellion - Lucifer in angelic realm, Satan in Universe, Man on the earth.
4. We know that the Lord is at the right hand of the Father building and maturing the Body of Christ. (Eph. 1: 20 - 23, 4: 11 - 16)
5. And we see that Christ has all authority and power and is given the authority to bring the judgments, (John 5: 27)
So where and when do you find the Lord, the supreme high court judge, and His Body, the heavenly court, bringing judgment upon the rebellious?
It is important to really understand this specific point if you want to know the answer to your questions.
Let me give you an illustration to show you why. Say a native finds a rectangle bit of metal lying on the ground. He wonders what it is. He holds it up one way and then the other. Which way does it go or what is it for? Now along comes a person who is looking for that part of his car, for the bit of metal, is a door. So then it becomes clear that the door is a part of a larger thing that has a purpose and the door fits into the larger purpose.
So that is what is happening when people look at the rapture, the catching away. They think does this bit go here or there or what is it for? Only when we understand God`s great purpose in Christ then we can put the `catching away` in its proper place.
So...
1. God`s purpose is that all rulership, in every realm is to come under the Lord Jesus Christ. (Eph. 1: 10)
2. We know that the Lord made all things, every realm for Himself with authority positions. (Col. 1: 16)
3. We know that in every realm there has come rebellion - Lucifer in angelic realm, Satan in Universe, Man on the earth.
4. We know that the Lord is at the right hand of the Father building and maturing the Body of Christ. (Eph. 1: 20 - 23, 4: 11 - 16)
5. And we see that Christ has all authority and power and is given the authority to bring the judgments, (John 5: 27)
So where and when do you find the Lord, the supreme high court judge, and His Body, the heavenly court, bringing judgment upon the rebellious?
If God's plan was for Jesus to take glorified believers to heaven, whether before or after the Tribulation, wouldn't it make sense that the Bible would have described it clearly?
Yet, there are no verses that even come close to showing Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.