Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians

[kohelet]

God only said that three would end. These are sign gifts and signs are for Jews not Gentiles. As the primitive church became established and God word was given and recorded the Gentiles became the inheritors of the blessing and blindness fell upon the Jews. Just as Jesus said when He was at the judgment before the Romans.

1 Cor 13:8 gives only three that will end. Throughout the bible tongues are a sign of judgment.

The word translated perfect in the old King James English often refers to complete rather than the newer definition of without flaw.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thanks Rodge, for your reply.

You don't really address my question about more than one perfect though, which would have to be the case if gifts were phased out at different times in history. Paul doesn't seem to be saying that though. "When the perfect comes," he says, "the partial will pass away."

As for the idea of signs being for Jews and specifically tongues being a sign for unbelievers, I agree with you to a point, see my post #299, p.60.

 

[UnderGrace]

Really!? VVhen did you become a vampire? Its been centuries.

I think this was intended for me, but how would you like to go about proving that it has been centuries of your version of languages being practised, at least I can get the newspaper articles on 1901 and other historical documents.

Flashy picture.....vampire eh.. tsk tsk

 

[BenFTW]

I think this was intended for me, but how would you like to go about proving that it has been centuries of your version of languages being practised, at least I can get the newspaper articles on 1901 and other historical documents.

Flashy picture.....vampire eh.. tsk tsk

It wasn't for you. They said they know what it was like at the Corinthian church and how they acted, so I joked about them being a vampire (immortal) and having witnessed it firsthand.

 

[Officermayo]

Signs and wonders will not follow be manifested amongst us because we do not fulfill what Mark says.

Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe.....

No believing = no signs and wonders of the kingdom of God being manifested to a hurt and dying world. Jesus said "Greater works shall you do".

Funny how there are so many folks claiming the gift of tongues, but I've never seen anyone drink poison and not die as proof of their Holy Spirit mojo.

 

[UnderGrace]

It wasn't for you. They said they know what it was like at the Corinthian church and how they acted, so I joked about them being a vampire (immortal) and having witnessed it firsthand.

Too funny ....I get it now!!

 

[kohelet]

Hi garee,

Thanks!

When it comes to "face to face" we know God is supernatural which denotes without a beginning he therefore has no form to behold. But rather “face to face” is represented by “faith to faith”.

So it's more "face" with a lisp? Sorry, just joshin'.

Of course God is spirit, no one's questioning that. But there was something to being in the very presence of God that was best described in terms of seeing him face to face. Isaiah described seeing "the Lord high and lifted up and the train of his robe filled the temple." We read this sort of thing throughout scripture. You mention (rightly!) that Moses' face shone when he came from speaking with God face to face. We read that Moses did so "as a man speaks to his friend" (Exodus 33:11). A man speaks to his friend face to face. Paul uses the idiom to refer to the time we will see Him face to face. He adds, "... then we will know even as we are fully known."

Do you know even as you are fully known by God here on earth or will we all know this way once we go to be with him?

 

[LaurenTM]

Funny how there are so many folks claiming the gift of tongues, but I've never seen anyone drink poison and not die as proof of their Holy Spirit mojo.

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...gonna happen

gonna happen

 

[BenFTW]

Funny how there are so many folks claiming the gift of tongues, but I've never seen anyone drink poison and not die as proof of their Holy Spirit mojo.

Probably because "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" as Jesus responded to satan.

 

[UnderGrace]

Funny how there are so many folks claiming the gift of tongues, but I've never seen anyone drink poison and not die as proof of their Holy Spirit mojo.

Officermayo, I really do not see how these two relate to each other?

 

[Grace777x70]

Funny how there are so many folks claiming the gift of tongues, but I've never seen anyone drink poison and not die as proof of their Holy Spirit mojo.

Does this mean that you are against speaking in tongues for today's believers in Christ? Do you think it's possible that believers have drank some deadly things and it didn't kill them? Of course they would be stupid and tempting the Lord by purposely drinking poison.

Is it possible that the Lord Jesus didn't lie to us in Mark 16:17?...and is it possible that some believers do actually believe His words and thus experience the grace that comes with believing?

Just some questions that came to my mind when I saw your post. And everyone has the free choice to believe whatever they want too...

 

[Officermayo]

Officermayo, I really do not see how these two relate to each other?

I was referring to Mark 16:17.

Some claim the gifts of the spirit but not THAT one.

 

[Officermayo]

I know!! Welcome to the Club.

Well then, let me join the "un answered question club" (because I doubt I'll get an answer to this question.

If Paul said "Do all speak in tongues" when the answer was/is no, then how can having the Holy Spirit be evidenced by the speaking of tongues?

 

[CharlieGrown]

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...gonna happen

gonna happen

Having '24' flashbacks. Jack Bauer about to bust through with his backpack.

 

[BenFTW]

I was referring to Mark 16:17.

Some claim the gifts of the spirit but not THAT one.

Drinking poison and surviving is not a gift (of the nine) of the Holy Spirit. Its divine protection, just like the apostle Paul was bit by a snake/viper and it did no harm to him.

Acts 28:1-6King James Version (KJV)

28 And when they were escaped, then they knew that the island was called Melita.
2 And the barbarous people shewed us no little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one, because of the present rain, and because of the cold.
3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god

 

[BenFTW]

Well then, let me join the "un answered question club" (because I doubt I'll get an answer to this question.

If Paul said "Do all speak in tongues" when the answer was/is no, then how can having the Holy Spirit be evidenced by the speaking of tongues?

There are verses that express people speaking in tongues after having received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind, there is a difference between a believer receiving the Holy Spirit after belief and the experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit for ministry. One is an empowerment and the other is one of which all children of God experience. VVe all are temples of the Holy Spirit. Not all believers have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, however.

 

[Officermayo]

Keep in mind, there is a difference between a believer receiving the Holy Spirit after belief and the experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit for ministry. One is an empowerment and the other is one of which all children of God experience. VVe all are temples of the Holy Spirit. Not all believers have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, however.

Right.......the Holy Spirit comes in two forms - Regular and Super. I understand where you're coming from, Bro.

 

[Grace777x70]

There are verses that express people speaking in tongues after having received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind, there is a difference between a believer receiving the Holy Spirit after belief and the experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit for ministry. One is an empowerment and the other is one of which all children of God experience. VVe all are temples of the Holy Spirit. Not all believers have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, however.

And able scriptures have been shown in this thread to show that there is a personal speaking in tongues where our spirit prays mysteries to God and there is a public side to speaking in tongues which comes with interpretation which makes it on par with prophesying.

Anyone that is honestly seeking the truth in this area can read through this thread to see what has been said and then ask the Lord about these things.

It's going to be a waste of time to try to convince others that have chosen not to believe in tongues to change their mind. It takes the Holy Spirit to bring revelation to us and that's exactly what happened to us too.

Nothing in the kingdom of God comes because we first "see" it with our natural understanding and this area of speaking in tongues to our Father is no different.

 

[Grace777x70]

Ben - don't fall for the "baiting"...we are well aware of it's purpose....All is well.......We can just leave things in the hands of the Lord and trust Him.

 

[UnderGrace]

There are verses that express people speaking in tongues after having received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Keep in mind, there is a difference between a believer receiving the Holy Spirit after belief and the experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit for ministry. One is an empowerment and the other is one of which all children of God experience. VVe all are temples of the Holy Spirit. Not all believers have experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit, however.

I think you should start a thread on the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you can say there are two and I can say there is one....do it!!

 

[BenFTW]

Right.......the Holy Spirit comes in two forms - Regular and Super. I understand where you're coming from, Bro.

If you want more, seek Him. Theres more. A lot of people feel it at some time in their walk. "Theres got to be more to this." There is a fellowship you can share with the Lord, that is wonderful. Holy Spirit isn't just some power, but is a person of whom you can share personal moments with. He can be your friend, and He desires fellowship. I don't know if you walk in this reality already, but if you don't, seek Him on it. As far as the baptism of the Holy Spirit goes, you can ask Him for that too.