Appears the rapture is happening, "The dead in Christ shall rise first,"

[Absolutely]

Glad to see you also think outside the box... It's written, "Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand." We are not cough up to God unless we are purified. There is much I could say here but I recommend the videos first of all.

I agree in part,in that only the pure enter in.
But in the parable all were virgins (pure and undefiled).
The game changer was the oil.
Only one temperature is acceptable....HOT.
The oil represents the Holy Spirit.
Remember the foolish had oil,but could not replenish without an impartation. The wise COULD have,but WOULDN'T.
Could have.....they could have. But would not.
IOW,The protocol was purity "plus".
Jesus said he would spew out the "unmaintained"....the Luke warm.Those that once had oil,but ignored the need to keep the fire burning

 

[Absolutely]

Your view would seem to give more time to prepare, but somehow think we are running out of time, some have been shown that time ran out and waiting for the number of those who overcome to be fulfilled.

Yes

 

[Absolutely]

Show me a scripture that says adversity is confirmation. Such faulty logic.
Or how you translate "civilized disagreement" into "adversity" is another big stretch.

Compile verses and it is obvious the great men of God faced EXTREME ADVERSITY.
It becomes obvious adversity is part of the walk. Therefore confirmation.

 

[Absolutely]

So what happens now or when Y-shua returns? … If the rapture did happen in 70 A.D., according to Scripture what happens now/next?

Most people are literalists.
Some on here are preterist. The ONLY WAY preterism works is to spiritualize the rapture and the gt,including the players in the gt.

 

[Absolutely]

What will happen now with us Christians in this 7th and last millennium or 7th and last Day?

In fulfilment of what JESUS said, "from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath".

So, my concern with all readers in this Christian forum is the manifestation of God's Truth.

The ascention of JESUS into heaven happened in the end of the 4th Day and beginning of the fifth Day. Thus God the Father had yet two more days of work to complete His works.

What did happen really after the ascention of JESUS to the heaven exactly in the end of the fourth Day and beginning of the fifth Day?

First He - JESUS - did sit at the right hand of the Father, and God the Father had yet two more days of work to complete His works. As all Christians know, the Omniscient, and Omnipotent, and Omnipresent God had planned since the beginning that his rest would be in the 7th and last Day, that is the 7th and last millennium. From there JESUS assumes the government and control not only of the planet Earth, but of the whole Universe.

God had appointed JESUS heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds. By the way, God had planned since the begining to restore all things in this last millennium or last Day, known as the time of end, called also time of Apocalypse, exactly in this millennium that just started and in which we are living.

The sealed book was written within and without and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe as was seen by the prophet. Check it in Ezekiel 2:v.10

What the Most High had planned to happen in the Lord's Day was hidden, but it was written in a sealed book whose content did reveal all things to happen in the last Day, i.e in the last millennium that is the millennium of Christ, the end of the time. So, the content of the book would happen in the seventh and last Day exclusively. Well, this book would be the last of the Bible, the book of Apocalypse .
JESUS received the sealed book from the Father to reveal its contents

The people of God, mainly the true Christians, they need to remember and understand that it was yet the end of the fourth Day and the beginning of the fifth Day when JESUS ascended into heaven, by the way, the third heaven.

The sealed Book
The sealed book was with the Father and He gave it to JESUS. The next step was with JESUS in revealing the content of the book unto His people describing all things to John by a strong angel, actually an Archangel, that would happen in this last period of a thousand years, that is the Day of the Lord and the Millennium of Christ.

The TRAVEL of John the Apostle to the last Day, the Lord's Day
John the Apostle was caught for a travel to the future, in the space and in the time, spanning a period of two thousand years, and he was brought to our days, to this 7th and last Day or 7th and last millennium, that is the Lord's Day, and getting here he heard a great voice behind him, as of a trumpet, saying: "What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia;" (Note: trumpet means message, allegoricaly. And more: remember that God calls those things which be not or nonexistent as though they already were).

In this point, I must say that once the Apostle John was brought to our days in which we are living, the things which were written to the seven Churches of Asia are simbols of the Churches of today, understand? Speaking spiritually, the list of good and bad things of the Churches of Asia, be them right or wrong, be them true or fake, the things which happened in the Churches of Asia are the same that also happen today in the Churches around the world. Terrible, very terrible, because the angels of the mojority of the Churches in Asia were tolerants with wrong behaviors spiritually and the same occurs in the Churches of today. This is not an accusation, this is a fact, this explains the why the Churches are infested of apostasies and even idolatries and are reflected in the forums.

The anointing of the risen savior is prophet priest and king.
3 fold
Much of what we see currently is prophet\priesthood.
The redemption was for man,and in ruth,we see redemption of the land.
The kinsman redeemer in ruth was man and land.
In rev 5 we see the kinsman redeemer.
" ...no man was found..." MAN. It had to be a man(kinsman) to redeem the land.
The gt is twofold. Redemption of the people (jews) and redemption of the land.
That is why a man had to open the seals

 

[Absolutely]

The anointing of the risen savior is prophet priest and king.
3 fold
Much of what we see currently is prophet\priesthood.
The redemption was for man,and in ruth,we see redemption of the land.
The kinsman redeemer in ruth was man and land.
In rev 5 we see the kinsman redeemer.
" ...no man was found..." MAN. It had to be a man(kinsman) to redeem the land.
The gt is twofold. Redemption of the people (jews) and redemption of the land.
That is why a man had to open the seals

......which is why the church is dealt with first....raptured to heaven
Ruth is with Boaz in the rapture.
Note she is in the harvest,where Boaz notices her. Naomi is a background player,while his main focus is on Ruth

 

[NayborBear]

Hi stillness
Greetings in Christ

The biblical point you have focused accord 2Pe.3:v.12 , in my view is very very interesting and profound. I would like to say that I like to decipher biblical enigmas like these focused by you. Scriptures say, as you have posted, "the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved". The question is: which heavens will be dissolved? God created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heavens of the heavens.

That said, I would say that the 3rd heaven where the apostle Paul was when was caught, and the mysterious heaven of heavens, these two heavens can not be dissolved now in this Lord's Day, I think that these two heavens will never be dissolved. Then for decipher this enigma in the content of you post, it is necessary to identify the 1st and 2nd heavens within Scriptures, of course, because without any doubt the 1st and the 2nd heavens are the heavens which will be dissolved by the fire as was prophesied by the apostle Peter.

I did search in the Word of God how the Most High God creats heavens. Reading Ephesians 1:v.3 : 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ. Question: In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now?

Philippians 3:v.20 says: Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, question: In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now, looking for the Savior the Lord JESUS Christ? Well, blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ.

But what is heaven? In my view the biblical expression "heaven" has nothing to do with the physical space of the Universe, called by men, sky, but with an celestial environment created by the Most High God here on earth to put His people inside it. As it is written in Philippians 3:v.20, "our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ".

Our conversation is in heaven, but in what heaven or heavenly place in Christ? Seems the answer is only and only one: It is the celestial environment created by the Most High God through JESUS, establishing here on earth the Dispensation of the New Testament.

Cotinuing in my search, I found in Isaiah 51:v.16 the follow revelation: 16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may PLANT the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people. Based in this revelation, JESUS and His apostles planted and developed the 2nd heaven, being confirmed by the Church, the body of Christ, along the times until today. The Dispensation of the New Testament is the 2nd heaven.

And the first heaven? The 1st heaven was planted by Moses first, and continued through Judges, and prophets, and endure until John the Baptist, that is the Dispensation of the Old Testament. This was the first heaven established by the Most High God here on earth.
But now, even now, in the Lord's Day, these two heavenly environment will be dissolved in fire. By the way, the everlassing Spirit of God is a devouring fire. And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may PLANT the HEAVENS, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Isaiah 33:v.10-17
10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.
11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.
13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty:

Methinks you are confusing, or combining, the terms heavens and dispensations, with governments, and heaven/earth ages.

 

[Oseas]

Methinks you are confusing, or combining, the terms heavens and dispensations, with governments, and heaven/earth ages.

What is your understanding of this rervelation in Philippians 3:v.20 that says? "Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ". Question: What heaven is it? In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now, looking for the Savior the Lord JESUS Christ as says Scriptures?

Would you be underneath and not up here in this heaven, in this heavenly place, for our conversation? If so how could you answer the question if you know not this heaven? Well, actually we are speaking of great mysteries of the Most High God, how can they be understood but by / through the Spirit of God?

Remember:

God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning neither ending)

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second Day. (But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.)

These great mysteries increase when we read Revelation 17: v. 15, that says as follow:

The angel of the Lord said to John the Apostle: 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Well, blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

absolute nonsense

thank God we actually CAN know

God is not the author of confusion but the author of this thread certainly is

 

[Hevosmies]

Okay guys I got the diagnosis:

Christianity is plagued by rapturitis paralysis!

The only cure is ["occupy till He comes" ]

 

[NayborBear]

What is your understanding of this rervelation in Philippians 3:v.20 that says? "Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ". Question: What heaven is it? In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now, looking for the Savior the Lord JESUS Christ as says Scriptures?

Would you be underneath and not up here in this heaven, in this heavenly place, for our conversation? If so how could you answer the question if you know not this heaven? Well, actually we are speaking of great mysteries of the Most High God, how can they be understood but by / through the Spirit of God?

Remember:

God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (God is a title. The Word is God from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning neither ending)

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second Day. (But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.)

These great mysteries increase when we read Revelation 17: v. 15, that says as follow:

The angel of the Lord said to John the Apostle: 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Well, blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ.

Wow! So many questions.

I'll strive and answer your questions, although, ya prolly won't yet understands, are even likes me answers to 'em.
First off. Jesus said He is the the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes UNTO the Father, but, by (through) Him.
" Question: What heaven is it? In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now, looking for the Savior the Lord JESUS Christ as says Scriptures?"
Good question! Unfortunately? Too many (so called) "people of God", are listed here"
Philippians 3
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
These are the people who worship God in Love and Truth, and not Truth and spirit!
John 4
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

You should notice here from Jesus' own mouth, that He is NOT seeking, NOR EVEN ASKING that He, Himself be worshiped. BUT? His Father! The ONE, that SENT Him!
John 4
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him (?) MUST worship him in "spirit and in truth(!)"

"If so how could you answer the question if you know not this heaven?"
Genesis 2
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
As long as your "sucking air?" The believer must realize that this "breath of life? aka Ruach", (in the Hebrew), IS this Lord God, or Spirit of God! MUST! So ya, dude! I know that "heaven!"

My dear old Dad, told me a long time ago. Knowing that Jesus and God can do all things?
Hebrews 13
5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

If this be true? And, I DO believe it to be? Dad said: "Guess who walked away?"

So lemme ask you. Where ARE these "heavenly places?"
Acts 3
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Acts 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; (selah! Meditate! (darst I say?) sub-conscious!)

 

[Subhumanoidal]

Compile verses and it is obvious the great men of God faced EXTREME ADVERSITY.
It becomes obvious adversity is part of the walk. Therefore confirmation.

Translation, there are none. It's a common theme I see with some believers. Martyritis.
And you conveniently ignored how people expressing a disagreement with you translates to adversity.
So, by your logic disagreement equals adversity equals confirmation of truth. Yet by disagreeing with other here you are creating adversity on them, confirming their opposing view as truth.
Let me guess... that's different...
And therein lies the flaw with Martyritis. It only works if it goes one way, but that's not reality.

 

[stillness]

Hi stillness
Greetings in Christ

The biblical point you have focused accord 2Pe.3:v.12 , in my view is very very interesting and profound. I would like to say that I like to decipher biblical enigmas like these focused by you. Scriptures say, as you have posted, "the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved". The question is: which heavens will be dissolved? God created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heavens of the heavens.

That said, I would say that the 3rd heaven where the apostle Paul was when was caught, and the mysterious heaven of heavens, these two heavens can not be dissolved now in this Lord's Day, I think that these two heavens will never be dissolved. Then for decipher this enigma in the content of you post, it is necessary to identify the 1st and 2nd heavens within Scriptures, of course, because without any doubt the 1st and the 2nd heavens are the heavens which will be dissolved by the fire as was prophesied by the apostle Peter.

I did search in the Word of God how the Most High God creats heavens. Reading Ephesians 1:v.3 : 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ. Question: In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now?

Philippians 3:v.20 says: Our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, question: In what heaven are the people of God living and walking now, even now, looking for the Savior the Lord JESUS Christ? Well, blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in HEAVENLY places in Christ.

But what is heaven? In my view the biblical expression "heaven" has nothing to do with the physical space of the Universe, called by men, sky, but with an celestial environment created by the Most High God here on earth to put His people inside it. As it is written in Philippians 3:v.20, "our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ".

Our conversation is in heaven, but in what heaven or heavenly place in Christ? Seems the answer is only and only one: It is the celestial environment created by the Most High God through JESUS, establishing here on earth the Dispensation of the New Testament.

Cotinuing in my search, I found in Isaiah 51:v.16 the follow revelation: 16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may PLANT the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people. Based in this revelation, JESUS and His apostles planted and developed the 2nd heaven, being confirmed by the Church, the body of Christ, along the times until today. The Dispensation of the New Testament is the 2nd heaven.

And the first heaven? The 1st heaven was planted by Moses first, and continued through Judges, and prophets, and endure until John the Baptist, that is the Dispensation of the Old Testament. This was the first heaven established by the Most High God here on earth.
But now, even now, in the Lord's Day, these two heavenly environment will be dissolved in fire. By the way, the everlassing Spirit of God is a devouring fire. And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may PLANT the HEAVENS, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Isaiah 33:v.10-17
10 Now will I rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted; now will I lift up myself.
11 Ye shall conceive chaff, ye shall bring forth stubble: your breath, as fire, shall devour you.
12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire.
13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty:

Thanks for your positive aproch. I like how you communicate without claiming to know, as it sais, "Now we know in part." I need to learn from you, though I don't claim to know, I must be coming across as if I think I do, by some contrary responses, Sometimes that cant be helped, but I need to work on better presentation. A verse that comes to mind about heavens that will be burned up would surprise you. "The sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them, and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." The sea dividing the waters from the waters is referred as the first heaven or firmament. In the new earth there is no more sea. I get the impression that death an d hell are part of the second heaven and separated from the Garden by a gulf and that these places are near us but in diferent dimensions, in the spirit, but it also mentions the elements melting. Many suspect nuclear war, I look suspicious as well. My intention here was to encourage people to seek to encounter the Lord. Though it has taken me years to come to this resolve and understand that we don't know how to direct others in the inner Way and accept my limitations; we are move to encourage because we are aware we are not ready for what is coming, neither can we prepare a safe place: we are to "Strive to enter into rest" in God and some misunderstand this as work. "Waiting and looking to hasten the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?"

 

[stillness]

absolute nonsense

thank God we actually CAN know

God is not the author of confusion but the author of this thread certainly is

The man your acusing is not for real, disappearing to be cough up to God; but your doing is not good for you, going against the word of God, calling your brother the enemy. If I had to write the tread all over again I would do it differently, especially for people who claim to know. I wrote another tread after this that I thought would be more to the point, thinking to let this one slide away, but people seem to like the controversial better, though both have been misunderstood. "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." In short, if we think we know we stop learning. I have been there and there is hope to come out of leaning on our understanding. Our understanding is like a map of the journey, but we don't know God in our understanding. As we enter the wisdom of God we still don't claim to know and disappear in the wisdom of God. We need to be cough up in the spirit, so that "Its no longer I that lives but Christ."

 

[stillness]

According to the following verses, the church is here until the end of time, so that a pre-tribulation rapture is not about disappearing physically but disappearing to ourselves: to our old identity. "Its no longer I that lives but Christ that Lives in me." To encounter Jesus and return with Him. To have entered into rest in God
"Behold, I show you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
"That there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waits for the manifestation of the sons of God."

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Glad to see you also think outside the box... It's written, "Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand." We are not cough up to God unless we are purified. There is much I could say here but I recommend the videos first of all.

The verse you are quoting above is in the context of the last 3.5 yrs before Jesus' "RETURN" to the earth (FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom), and correlates with vv.1-4 (not being about a "physical/bodily resurrection from the DEAD" as v.13 is about [when OT saints will be "resurrected" to stand again on the earth, at the END of the days--the END of the "days" referred to in that CONTEXT: i.e. at the end of the trib]) which CONTEXT (vv.1-4,6-7) pertains to the time when Israel will come up out of "the graveyard of nations," where scattered (v.3 tells what "the WISE [of them]" will go on to DO; v.4 also pertains to that context: "knowledge shall be increased" pertaining to these prophetic truths, in their "understanding" at that specific, future time period [just as in Hosea 5:15-6:3]). But all of this is set in a context specifically about "Israel" and their future, as well as who they will then impact (but all of this is at a point in the chronology that is well after the Rapture of "the Church which is His body")… and their entrance into "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" (that was promised to them).

At that point (meaning, upon His "RETURN" to the earth), He will be returning as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom" ["WITH [G4862 - syn - denoting 'UNION']" His "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"], and this is where the "wedding feast parables" pick up [sequentially], so that the "10 Virgins [/bridesmaids]" (or even just the 5 Virgins) are NOT who He is coming TO MARRY. (They will go in "accompany [G3326 - meta (not "G4862 [UNION]!)--WITH-G3326]" Him to THE WEDDING FEAST/SUPPER" [the earthly MK], NOT "the MARRIAGE" itself (which will have been already accomplished by that point: See Lk12:36-37,38,40; Rev19:7 [distinct from 19:9!])

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The man your acusing is not for real, disappearing to be cough up to God; but your doing is not good for you, going against the word of God, calling your brother the enemy. If I had to write the tread all over again I would do it differently, especially for people who claim to know. I wrote another tread after this that I thought would be more to the point, thinking to let this one slide away, but people seem to like the controversial better, though both have been misunderstood. "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." In short, if we think we know we stop learning. I have been there and there is hope to come out of leaning on our understanding. Our understanding is like a map of the journey, but we don't know God in our understanding. As we enter the wisdom of God we still don't claim to know and disappear in the wisdom of God. We need to be cough up in the spirit, so that "Its no longer I that lives but Christ."

when you go to a 3 ring circus, you can still only watch one ring with enough attention to see what's going on

anything can happen in the other 2

I don't do weird stuff masquerading as religion or worse, the words of God

 

[stillness]

when you go to a 3 ring circus, you can still only watch one ring with enough attention to see what's going on

anything can happen in the other 2

I don't do weird stuff masquerading as religion or worse, the words of God

Wen people are judging others and defending themselves they are admitting, to those who read between the lines. "Through much trouble we enter the kingdom of God. "If we will judge ourselves we will not be judged." Your hard on yourself.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Wen people are judging others and defending themselves they are admitting, to those who read between the lines. "Through much trouble we enter the kingdom of God. "If we will judge ourselves we will not be judged." Your hard on yourself.

I'm not judging anyone...but defensive people might jump to that conclusion

the word of God judges though

and you are spouting nonsense...you rip verses out of context and twist their meaning...as so many have already told you

try reading the actual lines in scripture...it seems you may have missed a few

 

[Jackson123]

I agree in part,in that only the pure enter in.
But in the parable all were virgins (pure and undefiled).
The game changer was the oil.
Only one temperature is acceptable....HOT.
The oil represents the Holy Spirit.
Remember the foolish had oil,but could not replenish without an impartation. The wise COULD have,but WOULDN'T.
Could have.....they could have. But would not.
IOW,The protocol was purity "plus".
Jesus said he would spew out the "unmaintained"....the Luke warm.Those that once had oil,but ignored the need to keep the fire burning

Not the oil temperature, matt 25 say the foolish took no oil


Matt
25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.