Are children born saved?

[know1]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

I have told this story many times in the past, about how God yelled at me literally chewed me out for calling a guy a liar but it had to do with a scripture that I had in mind and about babies being in heaven.
Now after the voice got done yelling at me in a language that I did not understand, it was more like a screaming, I heard the voice clearly say concerning the scripture I was thinking of, that his word says, except a man be born again, and he stressed the word man, they shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I looked up what I heard because I thought I knew what the verse said and what I heard was exactly what was written.
The Voice then very clearly emphasized that babies were not men.
And what God was saying was that God sentences men or grown ups and not babies or children because they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
I have more scripture than this to back it up but I don't have access to it at the moment but to answer your question, babies and children to go to heaven when they die or when they are aborted because they have no sin even though they are born in sin, they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
It is the same with a Christian. A baby Christian cannot lose their salvation until they become of age.
Regardless of what anyone says or believes, it is indeed possible for a child of God to lose their salvation but only the mature ones.
I will speak more on this subject as soon as I have the time and the resources available.

 

[VincentG]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

I think if they were to die before they know the diffrence between right and wrong like babies straight ho heaven but once the get older and get conviction they need to get saved.

 

[Truthseer]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

Although unborn babies have not sinned, they are under the curse of Adam, with a fallen nature and a propensity to sin. King David said "I was altogether born in sin". But he said in another place, "you will not leave my soul in "sheol", nor will you permit your holy one to experience corruption". The Holy One is Jesus. He was saying that he himself was not saved yet, but Jesus would defeat Hell on the Cross, making him saved. Nobody has gone to hell yet. The first two to go to hell will be the Beast and the False Prophet. The next will be Satan at the end of Millennium. Finally, all the unsaved after the Judgment will be thrown into Hell, also called the Lake of Fire. Those not saved at this time roam the Earth until resurrected. Those who have not had a chance to accept Christ must live again at some point before the end of the Earth. I see no other way except this alternative.

 

[John146]

Although unborn babies have not sinned, they are under the curse of Adam, with a fallen nature and a propensity to sin. King David said "I was altogether born in sin". But he said in another place, "you will not leave my soul in "sheol", nor will you permit your holy one to experience corruption". The Holy One is Jesus. He was saying that he himself was not saved yet, but Jesus would defeat Hell on the Cross, making him saved. Nobody has gone to hell yet. The first two to go to hell will be the Beast and the False Prophet. The next will be Satan at the end of Millennium. Finally, all the unsaved after the Judgment will be thrown into Hell, also called the Lake of Fire. Those not saved at this time roam the Earth until resurrected. Those who have not had a chance to accept Christ must live again at some point before the end of the Earth. I see no other way except this alternative.

Better check Luke 16 and the rich man...

 

[know1]

Although unborn babies have not sinned, they are under the curse of Adam, with a fallen nature and a propensity to sin. King David said "I was altogether born in sin". But he said in another place, "you will not leave my soul in "sheol", nor will you permit your holy one to experience corruption". The Holy One is Jesus. He was saying that he himself was not saved yet, but Jesus would defeat Hell on the Cross, making him saved. Nobody has gone to hell yet. The first two to go to hell will be the Beast and the False Prophet. The next will be Satan at the end of Millennium. Finally, all the unsaved after the Judgment will be thrown into Hell, also called the Lake of Fire. Those not saved at this time roam the Earth until resurrected. Those who have not had a chance to accept Christ must live again at some point before the end of the Earth. I see no other way except this alternative.

"Nobody has gone to hell yet."
"Roam the earth?"
"Must live again?"
What is the highlighted all about, and where in scripture are such things written?

 

[ronaldadams]

I think if they were to die before they know the diffrence between right and wrong like babies straight ho heaven but once the get older and get conviction they need to get saved.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[know1]

I have told this story many times in the past, about how God yelled at me literally chewed me out for calling a guy a liar but it had to do with a scripture that I had in mind and about babies being in heaven.
Now after the voice got done yelling at me in a language that I did not understand, it was more like a screaming, I heard the voice clearly say concerning the scripture I was thinking of, that his word says, except a man be born again, and he stressed the word man, they shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I looked up what I heard because I thought I knew what the verse said and what I heard was exactly what was written.
The Voice then very clearly emphasized that babies were not men.
And what God was saying was that God sentences men or grown ups and not babies or children because they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
I have more scripture than this to back it up but I don't have access to it at the moment but to answer your question, babies and children to go to heaven when they die or when they are aborted because they have no sin even though they are born in sin, they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
It is the same with a Christian. A baby Christian cannot lose their salvation until they become of age.
Regardless of what anyone says or believes, it is indeed possible for a child of God to lose their salvation but only the mature ones.
I will speak more on this subject as soon as I have the time and the resources available.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Notice, Paul was alive once without the law, but then after he learned about the law of God, at that time, he died and sin revived, came to life again, be alive (or live) again, or recover to life.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

According to the above verse, children who don't know,, understand, or comprehend the consequence of sin, are not held accountable for their sins.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Those who don't yet have the knowledge of good and evil, like Adam and Eve before they ate from the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, both to them and God, they have not sinned.
When did Adam and Eve fall from God's grace?
Wasn't it AFTER they received the knowledge of good and evil?
And so it is with us to this very day.
Children do not have that knowledge, so even though they may have sinned, it is not held against them.

Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

In order for one to be alive AGAIN, one had to first be alive to start with, died, and then came back to life again. Children are the start of that life, where their sins are not held against them. So when they die early in life, they go to heaven.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Notice what the kingdom of heaven is compared to and how valuable the children are to God?
If children were going to hell, why would God use a child as an example to follow for one to enter into the kingdom of heaven?
So, to reiterate what I said earlier, only with more scriptural proof or evidence, children definitely go to heaven when their life is terminated when they are still yet a child.

 

[Truthseer]

Better check Luke 16 and the rich man...

Lazarus and the rich man was a parable, and not a real account. I know some say it is, but there's nothing to indicate that. It's silly. Remember the demon-possessed person? He said, "we know who you are Jesus, the Holy One of God. Are you come to torment us before the time? Also, the demons named Legion begged Jesus before being cast out to not send them out into the abyss. That's the Lake of Fire. the true hell.

 

[Deade]

Notice, Paul was alive once without the law, but then after he learned about the law of God, at that time, he died and sin revived, came to life again, be alive (or live) again, or recover to life.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

According to the above verse, children who don't know,, understand, or comprehend the consequence of sin, are not held accountable for their sins.

Why didn't you list the next verse after Romans 5:13. Here I will do it for you:

Rom. 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

Everyone is dead in their sins from birth. Without Christ's atoning blood they are fairly apt to stay that way. We need to study what God's plans are for most of mankind, not just the called in the firstfruits church. Then we will know how He will handle the babies/stillborn.

 

[John146]

Lazarus and the rich man was a parable, and not a real account. I know some say it is, but there's nothing to indicate that. It's silly. Remember the demon-possessed person? He said, "we know who you are Jesus, the Holy One of God. Are you come to torment us before the time? Also, the demons named Legion begged Jesus before being cast out to not send them out into the abyss. That's the Lake of Fire. the true hell.

Jesus did not use proper names in His parables. Lazarus is mentioned because he's a real person in a real situation.

 

[know1]

Lazarus and the rich man was a parable, and not a real account. I know some say it is, but there's nothing to indicate that. It's silly. Remember the demon-possessed person? He said, "we know who you are Jesus, the Holy One of God. Are you come to torment us before the time? Also, the demons named Legion begged Jesus before being cast out to not send them out into the abyss. That's the Lake of Fire. the true hell.

There's nothing that indicates it's a parable either.
in fact there's stronger evidence that it's an actual account rather than a parable because Jesus uses real people that existed such as Abraham.
In all the parables, Jesus never used any names of people like he did with the story of the rich man and Lazarus.
I think one of the things he's saying is that he knows the righteous by name.
and if this was a Parable then what do the people represent and the things that they went through represent like the real parables?

 

[know1]

Why didn't you list the next verse after Romans 5:13. Here I will do it for you:

Rom. 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

Everyone is dead in their sins from birth. Without Christ's atoning blood they are fairly apt to stay that way. We need to study what God's plans are for most of mankind, not just the called in the firstfruits church. Then we will know how He will handle the babies/stillborn.

The reason why I left that verse out is because that one deals with physical death and not spiritual death.
Romans 8: 2 talks about two different kinds of laws. 1 is has a physical consequence and the other has an eternal consequence.
There is the law of sin which kills people physically, and then there is the law of death, which kills people spiritually or eternally.
Babies and children do not fall into the second category of Eternal death because they haven't done anything wrong.
They might have been born in sin only because the spirit of sin is in them, but they have not committed sin worthy of Eternal damnation. So they go to heaven when they die or expire.
The reason why many people get sick and die physically, even Christians, is because of sin or I should say because of the lack of repentance of their sins.
The Bible is very very clear concerning the consequences of sin.
The Christian is not, I repeat not, forgiven automatically, or redeemed from the curse of the law of sin automatically, but must confess their sins in order for them to be forgiven and the curse removed. For the curse is there because of the sin, and until you get rid of the sin the curse remains and therefore the sickness or disease will remain.
Two of the main reasons why Christians do not get healed when they ask is because they failed to repent of their sins and/or they failed to have the faith, or the understanding of faith, for their healing.
And another one is because of a lack of knowledge of Christ and what he has done on the cross at Calvary, for the children of God.
To both bare and carry the sicknesses and diseases of those who are born again and then turn around and say it's God's will for you to have this sickness or disease, is sick and itself.

 

[know1]

Why didn't you list the next verse after Romans 5:13. Here I will do it for you:

Rom. 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

Everyone is dead in their sins from birth. Without Christ's atoning blood they are fairly apt to stay that way. We need to study what God's plans are for most of mankind, not just the called in the firstfruits church. Then we will know how He will handle the babies/stillborn.

I also just got done showing or proving that without the law, sin is not imputed to the person.
Children do not have an understanding of the consequences of breaking the laws of God or of committing sin.
So children, in the eyes of God, have not sinned but are righteous souls.
And if you would give a little thought to that verse about death coming on all men, you would realize that the second death, or spiritual death, does not come on the Christian.
The only death that comes on all men, is a physical death.

 

[Zmouth]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

As the scriptures record, "Whosoever is born of God does not sin, neither can they for they are born of God" so those who want to spew their poison that all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God can save that lie and give that gift to their children , seeing that Saul also wrote "For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?",

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." Ps 58:3

18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Mark 7:18-23


2 Tim 3:13

 

[seed_time_harvest]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

we are saved once before we become aware that we are sinning but once we become aware then we become guilty of sin and sin Is Imputed.
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Romans 7:7-10
King James Version(KJV)

7.)What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin,but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8.)But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.

9.)For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came,sin revived,and I died.

10.)And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found[to be] unto death.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I have told this story many times in the past, about how God yelled at me literally chewed me out for calling a guy a liar but it had to do with a scripture that I had in mind and about babies being in heaven.
Now after the voice got done yelling at me in a language that I did not understand, it was more like a screaming, I heard the voice clearly say concerning the scripture I was thinking of, that his word says, except a man be born again, and he stressed the word man, they shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I looked up what I heard because I thought I knew what the verse said and what I heard was exactly what was written.
The Voice then very clearly emphasized that babies were not men.
And what God was saying was that God sentences men or grown ups and not babies or children because they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
I have more scripture than this to back it up but I don't have access to it at the moment but to answer your question, babies and children to go to heaven when they die or when they are aborted because they have no sin even though they are born in sin, they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
It is the same with a Christian. A baby Christian cannot lose their salvation until they become of age.
Regardless of what anyone says or believes, it is indeed possible for a child of God to lose their salvation but only the mature ones.
I will speak more on this subject as soon as I have the time and the resources available.

Should be interesting.☺️

 

[Lillywolf]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

Children are born innocent. When they reach the age where they're accountable for their actions, their choices are what then make them sinners. Or, transgressors of God's best laid rules.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If Paul was born under the law,how could he be alive once without the law?

 

[Truthseer]

Jesus did not use proper names in His parables. Lazarus is mentioned because he's a real person in a real situation.

I've heard that too many times now. Christians need to stop just repeating what other people said who didn't know any more about the Bible than them. The fact that the poor beggar has a name has no logical connection to a narration of a real account. If somebody didn't tell you it did, you would never have connected the two ideas. The rich man had no name because he wound up in hell, and there is no use for a name in hell. Those who are saved have names, and are known by God. Lazarus was carried to Abraham's "side" or "bosom" or whatever the word means. This is actually a reference to being saved, and Jesus had not yet gone to the Cross and rose again. Abraham was justified by faith rather than the law. The rich man went to Hell, but nobody has gone to the burning fires of hell yet. This proves that Jesus was not giving a real incident, and the story is only relevant as a parable anyway, because the people there didn't likely know Lazarus, and Jesus doesn't explain who he is, as there were many beggars. If he was talking about something that actually happened (and in reality there were many incidents of that type), why didn't he specify the exact identity of the two men?

 

[PS]

This should get some interesting responses. If children are born saved, when did we loose our salvation and need to be saved again?

I have yet to meet a baby who lies, commits adultery, steals, worships other god's etc. etc.