Are children born saved?

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I have told this story many times in the past, about how God yelled at me literally chewed me out for calling a guy a liar but it had to do with a scripture that I had in mind and about babies being in heaven.
Now after the voice got done yelling at me in a language that I did not understand, it was more like a screaming, I heard the voice clearly say concerning the scripture I was thinking of, that his word says, except a man be born again, and he stressed the word man, they shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I looked up what I heard because I thought I knew what the verse said and what I heard was exactly what was written.
The Voice then very clearly emphasized that babies were not men.
And what God was saying was that God sentences men or grown ups and not babies or children because they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
I have more scripture than this to back it up but I don't have access to it at the moment but to answer your question, babies and children to go to heaven when they die or when they are aborted because they have no sin even though they are born in sin, they are not held accountable for their actions until they are of age.
It is the same with a Christian. A baby Christian cannot lose their salvation until they become of age.
Regardless of what anyone says or believes, it is indeed possible for a child of God to lose their salvation but only the mature ones.
I will speak more on this subject as soon as I have the time and the resources available.
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Throughout the scriptures the word "MAN" is used to mean "all mankind" including men, women, and babies. Can you give me scripture inferring the age of accountability?
 
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Children are born innocent. When they reach the age where they're accountable for their actions, their choices are what then make them sinners. Or, transgressors of God's best laid rules.
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Can you give me scriptures for the "age of accountability"?
 
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I have yet to meet a baby who lies, commits adultery, steals, worships other god's etc. etc.
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Have you experienced an infant crying and the minute you pick it up, they immediately stop crying. They just lied to you.
 
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Good choice! I brought this up because in many denominations chlidhood, even infant baptisims are manditory. Because they believe that sin is inherited from Adam and Eve through birth and all unbaptized people go to hell automaticly even infants and babies. No one yet has defended this belief so my next question is why do they still cling to a religion in which they don't believe?
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Why do you believe that eternal salvation is by works, because baptism is a work.
 
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Have you experienced an infant crying and the minute you pick it up, they immediately stop crying. They just lied to you.
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Or was the baby genuinely telling you in the only was it could, "I want a cuddle" or "I'm hungry."
 
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Why do you believe that eternal salvation is by works, because baptism is a work.
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Adult baptism is a commitment.

Try telling John the Baptist or Jesus, that you do not agree with baptism and you think it is wrong.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
All natural births are born with the sin nature of Adam. Those babies that die early are regenerated (born of the Spirit) before they die. The non-elect do not die in their youth, but live to be old. (Ps 73).
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None of that is scriptural
 
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Well some churches believe that all unbaptied babies will go to hell if they remain unbaptized. While others believe Gods Grace will save them if they should expire before the age of accountability. It's just a question, all or nothing. Which way is it. I lean towards grace but I want to hear from others of different points of view.
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I would leave such a hateful unscriptural church in a heartbeat that believes that unbaptized babies go to hell. For starters, being baptized in itself does not save, only the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for the remission of sins and the power the Holy Spirit living in our hearts leading to repentance provides salvation. Baptism is just an outward recognition of belonging to a particular type of faith and in itself unnecessary for salvation. The thief on the cross was not baptized and he made out OK. Babies have not yet sinned so if they died they would live for eternity in the loving presence of God who knitted them in the womb of their mother.
 
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All natural births are born with the sin nature of Adam. Those babies that die early are regenerated (born of the Spirit) before they die. The non-elect do not die in their youth, but live to be old. (Ps 73).
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Babies born with a sin nature would be inclined to sin once they would reach the age of accountability whatever age that is. In other words they would have to know right from wrong in the eyes of God and willfully sin. Being born with a sin nature is not the same as committing a sin.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Have you experienced an infant crying and the minute you pick it up, they immediately stop crying. They just lied to you.
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They stopped crying because they now felt secure and loved. No lying was involved. Your post was ludicrous.
 
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Adult baptism is a commitment.

Try telling John the Baptist or Jesus, that you do not agree with baptism and you think it is wrong.
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I did not say baptism is wrong, it is a commandment from God. I am saying it is wrong to say it is the cause of your eternal salvation.
 
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They stopped crying because they now felt secure and loved. No lying was involved. Your post was ludicrous.
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You may be right, but it does not take away the fact that all infants are born into this world as sinners inherited from Adam.
 
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Babies born with a sin nature would be inclined to sin once they would reach the age of accountability whatever age that is. In other words they would have to know right from wrong in the eyes of God and willfully sin. Being born with a sin nature is not the same as committing a sin.
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All infants are "dead in sins" until they have been regenerated (born of the Spirit Eph 2:5). There is no "age of accountability" indicated in the scriptures.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
You may be right, but it does not take away the fact that all infants are born into this world as sinners inherited from Adam.
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We are born with free choice or free will. This is our Adamic nature and sooner or later we will exercise our free-will as Adam and Eve did in the garden. Before Adam and Eve exercised their free-will the were sinless and if they are a 'type' of us, then so are we. We need to sin before we are sinners, and we are judged on our sins and not the sins of Adam and Eve.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
All infants are "dead in sins" until they have been regenerated (born of the Spirit Eph 2:5). There is no "age of accountability" indicated in the scriptures.
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Please provide the specific verse(s) that explicitly state that all infants are dead in sins.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
You may be right, but it does not take away the fact that all infants are born into this world as sinners inherited from Adam.
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This 'fact' has yet to be proven to me by scripture. Exactly what type of sin does a typical baby commit?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
All infants are "dead in sins" until they have been regenerated (born of the Spirit Eph 2:5). There is no "age of accountability" indicated in the scriptures.
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All people are "dead in sin" until they accept Christ into their life. This is the message of Ephesians 2.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
All infants are "dead in sins" until they have been regenerated (born of the Spirit Eph 2:5). There is no "age of accountability" indicated in the scriptures.
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This verse contradicts your claim. Either you are correct or scripture is correct. Both claims cannot be correct.

Matthew 18:3
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Why would Jesus state this if children are born sinners? I am asking you, does this make any sense at all?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Can you give me scriptures for the "age of accountability"?
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James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
When a child becomes spiritually aware of God's commands as regard right from wrong. Each person is different in their degree of maturation so the bible cannot have a set age for that age of accountability. However, it does carry numerous verses concerning accountability.
Romans 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

This might help new parents or parents generally.
Truth For Kids Age of accountability in the Bible
 
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