Are there three persons in God?
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Morning RBA238,
Just FYI, those who are in Christ will not be judged at the great white throne judgment, for that judgment takes place at the end of the thousand years for those who do not share in the first resurrection. We can deduce this from when it is said regarding those of the first resurrection that "the second death has no power over them." This would infer that the second death has power over those who come to life at the end of the thousand years who are not apart of the first resurrection.
Also, Rev.20:11-15 shows that these people are released out of Hades, which is the same place where the rich man was/is in torment in flame. Anyone who is coming out of Hades, their names will certainly not be found written in the book of life.
Blessing to you!
Just FYI, those who are in Christ will not be judged at the great white throne judgment, for that judgment takes place at the end of the thousand years for those who do not share in the first resurrection. We can deduce this from when it is said regarding those of the first resurrection that "the second death has no power over them." This would infer that the second death has power over those who come to life at the end of the thousand years who are not apart of the first resurrection.
Also, Rev.20:11-15 shows that these people are released out of Hades, which is the same place where the rich man was/is in torment in flame. Anyone who is coming out of Hades, their names will certainly not be found written in the book of life.
Blessing to you!
Actually RBA238 when we see God we WILL see Jesus at the Right hand of God.
Acts 7:55-56
[SUP]55 [/SUP]But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; [SUP]56 [/SUP]and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
And to you wincam, Jesus is at the right hand of God, NOT Mary.
Acts 7:55-56
[SUP]55 [/SUP]But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; [SUP]56 [/SUP]and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
And to you wincam, Jesus is at the right hand of God, NOT Mary.
Me again,
In Rev.5 we see both the Father and Son, for the Lamb/Jesus takes the scroll out of the right of the Father who is sitting on the throne.
"The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne."
We also have scripture demonstrating that while Jesus was transformed into his glorified state for Peter, James and John, a voice from the cloud said, "this is my Son whom I have chosen, listen to him."
So again, you have both Father and Son in one place, demonstrating the individual persons of the Godhead.
In Rev.5 we see both the Father and Son, for the Lamb/Jesus takes the scroll out of the right of the Father who is sitting on the throne.
"The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne."
We also have scripture demonstrating that while Jesus was transformed into his glorified state for Peter, James and John, a voice from the cloud said, "this is my Son whom I have chosen, listen to him."
So again, you have both Father and Son in one place, demonstrating the individual persons of the Godhead.
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Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jesus told the disciples that when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
There is only one throne in heaven,not two thrones,and is God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus at the right hand of God.
Our Savior is the man Christ Jesus.No man is sinless,God manifest in the flesh.God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,for He must reign until all His enemies conquered.When enemies conquered,the Son shall submit to God,that God may be all in all.
Jesus at right hand,temporary role,until His enemies are conquered,then not at right hand,which David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand,until your enemies conquered.Temporary role.
There is only one throne in heaven,not two thrones,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,which Jesus said if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father,and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
Old Testament the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.
Prophet Agur,what is His name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,they would share the same name.
Jesus said He came in the Father's name.
The Son inherited the name from the Father.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
Let us make man in our image.
Old Testament,Adam made in the image of God.New Testament,Adam made in the image of Christ.The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh,from the foundation of the world,and created Adam in that image,which the Son can exist in the beginning before He is born,for God calls things that have not happened,as though they already happened,which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed,and all works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Let us make man in our image,God and the man Christ Jesus.
I do not look at it as three persons in one God,but the three relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father-the parent of the saints,and the Father of spirits.
Son-God visible relationship to the saints in heaven,and the way He provided salvation.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,God working invisibly among people.
God is a Holy Spirit.Father is a title,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
I do not see with this much information by scriptures a person could think there is a trinity.
The Roman Catholic Church started it,and the Protestants held unto it.Pagan religions like to have a trinity,and a female deity.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jesus told the disciples that when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him,and He will do it.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
There is only one throne in heaven,not two thrones,and is God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus at the right hand of God.
Our Savior is the man Christ Jesus.No man is sinless,God manifest in the flesh.God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,for He must reign until all His enemies conquered.When enemies conquered,the Son shall submit to God,that God may be all in all.
Jesus at right hand,temporary role,until His enemies are conquered,then not at right hand,which David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit at My right hand,until your enemies conquered.Temporary role.
There is only one throne in heaven,not two thrones,which is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,which Jesus said if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father,and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
Old Testament the Father said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.
Prophet Agur,what is His name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,they would share the same name.
Jesus said He came in the Father's name.
The Son inherited the name from the Father.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
Let us make man in our image.
Old Testament,Adam made in the image of God.New Testament,Adam made in the image of Christ.The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the future in flesh,from the foundation of the world,and created Adam in that image,which the Son can exist in the beginning before He is born,for God calls things that have not happened,as though they already happened,which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed,and all works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Let us make man in our image,God and the man Christ Jesus.
I do not look at it as three persons in one God,but the three relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father-the parent of the saints,and the Father of spirits.
Son-God visible relationship to the saints in heaven,and the way He provided salvation.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints,God working invisibly among people.
God is a Holy Spirit.Father is a title,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
I do not see with this much information by scriptures a person could think there is a trinity.
The Roman Catholic Church started it,and the Protestants held unto it.Pagan religions like to have a trinity,and a female deity.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Actually mpaper345 the Roman Catholic Church did not start anything because the Roman Catholic Church was not formed until Centuries after Jesus walked on the Earth.
The Roman Catholic Church was created to try and stop the spread of Christianity. Rome wanted a Religion that had both Christianity and Pagan gods to please the citizens of Rome. Also from Roman is where the Catholic Church picked up their Mary that the Catholics worship as a God.
Do you even understand what the Holy Spirit is saying in the Scriptures? Or are you picking and choosing Scriptures to fit your theology?
Do you even have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Because if you do not then you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
The Roman Catholic Church was created to try and stop the spread of Christianity. Rome wanted a Religion that had both Christianity and Pagan gods to please the citizens of Rome. Also from Roman is where the Catholic Church picked up their Mary that the Catholics worship as a God.
Do you even understand what the Holy Spirit is saying in the Scriptures? Or are you picking and choosing Scriptures to fit your theology?
Do you even have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Because if you do not then you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
R
I Fully realize The Saints of God will not stand in the Great White Throne Judgement
This is spoken about in Psalms 1 verses 5 &6.
During The 1,000 millenial Kingdom on earth..Many people wi be converted who survived the Trubulation, and never received The "Mark of The Beast" in Revelation 13 & 14.
Many of these people wi finally learn the truth with the Devil chained up during the Thousand years. Many of them are coming from false doctrines and will be converted and escape the wrath of God and escape The Lake of Fire..
This is spoken about in Psalms 1 verses 5 &6.
During The 1,000 millenial Kingdom on earth..Many people wi be converted who survived the Trubulation, and never received The "Mark of The Beast" in Revelation 13 & 14.
Many of these people wi finally learn the truth with the Devil chained up during the Thousand years. Many of them are coming from false doctrines and will be converted and escape the wrath of God and escape The Lake of Fire..
I would agree. Its when we make God into a man as us having a form when do we see him walking by sight literally sitting down on literal thrones. Throne is used to identify a place of authority. I would think nothing more and nothing less .
I was reminded of a verse in Isaiah.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
I was reminded of a verse in Isaiah.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
I believe that could be considered a fulfillment of prophecy in respect to Genesis 8.
God does not have any form... he uses form, as that seen , the temporal as metaphors in parables that represent the unseen eternal, as wonders ... not seen (the faith principle) This is I believe to teach us something about the working of his invisible Spirit.
2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
He uses a dove to represent a blessing . Just as he uses the raven to show us he is the source of all food whether literal or spiritual . Sort of like with Mana meaning (what is it?) Seeing it is supernatural like the word of God we are not familiar with it.. we should question God who brings it to us.
A dove represents the peace of God in respect to the one person of God altogether as the witness of God .The dove that was released from the ark it did not return until its rightful owner came into view.
It is I believe the one work of one faith, in respect to the father and son, two attributes of God working together in perfect submission to one another which brings the peace of God which surpasses all human understanding being understood as it is written.
And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more. Gen 8:6
Yes it does sound like a literal throne as if God was an man as us. But God who has no form has no face as you or I .To speak "face to face" with God is to seek him from His "faith to His faith" . Those he has justified live by the unseen glory.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from "faith to faith": as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from "faith to faith": as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
U
I agree, persons is definitely not an ideal word and it is something that came from the fourth century RC church but started with Tertullian.
Tertullian was one of the first to write on the Godhead in Latin as tres personae, una substantia and used the word persona and substantia as equivalent to hypostasis and ousia respectively.
This meant that there was only one substance in God even though He "wore the mask" of three personified beings.
The word persona is very different from that of persons with its connotations of distinct and self-contained personality were suggested in a way not intended by the original Latin wording.
Having said that I am not sure persona is a good word either.
I also agree they cannot be separated.
Tertullian was one of the first to write on the Godhead in Latin as tres personae, una substantia and used the word persona and substantia as equivalent to hypostasis and ousia respectively.
This meant that there was only one substance in God even though He "wore the mask" of three personified beings.
The word persona is very different from that of persons with its connotations of distinct and self-contained personality were suggested in a way not intended by the original Latin wording.
Having said that I am not sure persona is a good word either.
I also agree they cannot be separated.
R
I agree, persons is definitely not an ideal word and it is something that came from the fourth century RC church but started with Tertullian.
Tertullian was one of the first to write on the Godhead in Latin as tres personae, una substantia and used the word persona and substantia as equivalent to hypostasis and ousia respectively.
This meant that there was only one substance in God even though He "wore the mask" of three personified beings.
The word persona is very different from that of persons with its connotations of distinct and self-contained personality were suggested in a way not intended by the original Latin wording.
Having said that I am not sure persona is a good word either.
I also agree they cannot be separated.
Tertullian was one of the first to write on the Godhead in Latin as tres personae, una substantia and used the word persona and substantia as equivalent to hypostasis and ousia respectively.
This meant that there was only one substance in God even though He "wore the mask" of three personified beings.
The word persona is very different from that of persons with its connotations of distinct and self-contained personality were suggested in a way not intended by the original Latin wording.
Having said that I am not sure persona is a good word either.
I also agree they cannot be separated.
The 3 even sat and Ate Food with Abraham and his wife Sarah prepared it. Melchesidec , The High Priest of Salem ( Jerusalem later on) was also another Instant Manifestation of God.
