Are there three persons in God?
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I agree with the King's translators said that
"He removeth the scales from our eyes, the vail from our hearts, opening our wits that we may understand his word, enlarging our hearts, yea correcting our affections, that we may love it to the end."
Jesus said: John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Exactly Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one." Maybe YOU FORGOT the word "ARE" to distinguished the "two" persons of the Godhead.
Jesus said: John 6:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jesus like the Holy Spirit came forth from the Father. Still I see 3 person of the Godhead distinct from each other.
"He removeth the scales from our eyes, the vail from our hearts, opening our wits that we may understand his word, enlarging our hearts, yea correcting our affections, that we may love it to the end."
Jesus said: John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Exactly Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one." Maybe YOU FORGOT the word "ARE" to distinguished the "two" persons of the Godhead.
Jesus said: John 6:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
Jesus like the Holy Spirit came forth from the Father. Still I see 3 person of the Godhead distinct from each other.
How our Father chooses to manifest Himself is entirely up to Him, correct? The understanding of His manifestation will remain, in part, a mystery until we all are with Him, but God is indeed One. Jesus teaches this.
Here is something to add to the mystery and understanding. In Isaiah 9:6 the prophet fortells that the Child to be born to the virgin would be called such titles as Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Wonderful, Cuonselor, Ruler of Peace and probably more........this lends to lots of mediation, some understanding and more to the mystery, but I know by faith Jesus Christ is God, and He is the Everlasting Father,the Holy Spirit, Eternal King, and so much more.
Now this does not clear up all, but it certainly refers to all.
Blessed be all who are in Jesus Christ, and who hear Him..amen.
Here is something to add to the mystery and understanding. In Isaiah 9:6 the prophet fortells that the Child to be born to the virgin would be called such titles as Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Wonderful, Cuonselor, Ruler of Peace and probably more........this lends to lots of mediation, some understanding and more to the mystery, but I know by faith Jesus Christ is God, and He is the Everlasting Father,the Holy Spirit, Eternal King, and so much more.
Now this does not clear up all, but it certainly refers to all.
Blessed be all who are in Jesus Christ, and who hear Him..amen.
Yap, I hear Jesus words in the scriptures and nothing more!
Amen!
Isah. 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; andthey were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Amen!
Isah. 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Revelation 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; andthey were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Is this a question of does the Lord have 3 separate identities and yet one essence?
Jesus prayed to the Father, John pictured the lamb sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus said if you had seen Him you had seen the Father.
Jesus aspired that we would be one with Him as He was one with the Father.
The problem is deity is eternal, and we are mortal.
If the essence of the Lord, His nature, His approach to everything, His being
is put in human form, is this a man like God, or God made man?
John talks about Jesus being Gods living word or message.
In the end we end up with a mystery, because this is Gods revelation of Himself,
but for me that is enough.
For Jesus to bend down and consider me, Halleluyah, what a saviour.
Jesus prayed to the Father, John pictured the lamb sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus said if you had seen Him you had seen the Father.
Jesus aspired that we would be one with Him as He was one with the Father.
The problem is deity is eternal, and we are mortal.
If the essence of the Lord, His nature, His approach to everything, His being
is put in human form, is this a man like God, or God made man?
John talks about Jesus being Gods living word or message.
In the end we end up with a mystery, because this is Gods revelation of Himself,
but for me that is enough.
For Jesus to bend down and consider me, Halleluyah, what a saviour.
A simple trinity explanation
1. The creator, outside existance, eternal, the one who constructs everything
2. The message or personality of God given to man, Jesus
3. The working of God in peoples lives, responding to situations and being present, the Holy Spirit
Now all three are eternal, all expressions of the eternal creator and all separate.
1. The creator, outside existance, eternal, the one who constructs everything
2. The message or personality of God given to man, Jesus
3. The working of God in peoples lives, responding to situations and being present, the Holy Spirit
Now all three are eternal, all expressions of the eternal creator and all separate.
T
Exactly. For God to be Love there has to be an object of love. And God created everything. Time didn't even exist before God. God was Love from the very beginning and He's complete in and of Himself. If God is love, there must be at least one other. But love shared between two is selfish. Love between three is perfect. God, the three in One shares in a perfect/holy/complete relationship.
Morning Heavenly_bound,
I think that one of the best scriptures demonstrating God as being individual persons is in Hebrews:
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But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
He also says,“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end.”
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In the scripture above, we have God the Father referring to the Son as God. We also have the Father referring to the Son as the One who laid the foundations of the earth and created the heavens. Of course there are other good scriptures that demonstrate the individual persons of the God-head, like when Jesus was baptized and the Holy Spirit descended in the form of a dove and the Father's voice from heaven said, "this is my Son whom I love, with him I am well pleased." We also have in the book of Revelation, the Lamb (Jesus) taking the scroll from the right hand of the Father who is sitting on the throne.
I don't pretend to understand God's existence, but I can deduce the individual persons of the God-head as being one God via scripture.
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Sorry to burst peoples bubble but God clearly says He is more than one.
Genesis 1:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The definition of US is also We.
Us means two or more people which does suggest God is more than just one God. Us can also mean three persons in the Godhood.
I find it amazing that some people will argue just for the sake of arguing!
Yes jaybird88 the truth does change according to ones denomination. For example the JW'S believe in the beginning God created the Son of God who then used the Son of God to create everything else. This doctrine is so easily refuted but yet the JW'S refuse to accept what God says in the Scriptures.
According to the JW'S the Son of God is not really a God because He was created by God. Do you see how denominations of Churches do change what God says in the Scriptures?
My point is do we really need to listen to what false religions like the JW'S teach? NO!
Read the Scriptures, listen to the Holy Spirit Indwelling in you, reject what false prophets teach.
Genesis 1:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
The definition of US is also We.
Us means two or more people which does suggest God is more than just one God. Us can also mean three persons in the Godhood.
I find it amazing that some people will argue just for the sake of arguing!
Yes jaybird88 the truth does change according to ones denomination. For example the JW'S believe in the beginning God created the Son of God who then used the Son of God to create everything else. This doctrine is so easily refuted but yet the JW'S refuse to accept what God says in the Scriptures.
According to the JW'S the Son of God is not really a God because He was created by God. Do you see how denominations of Churches do change what God says in the Scriptures?
My point is do we really need to listen to what false religions like the JW'S teach? NO!
Read the Scriptures, listen to the Holy Spirit Indwelling in you, reject what false prophets teach.
R
Let's Identify Who The Lord really is..In Acts chapter 9 we see Paul before his conversion, on his way to Demascus to persecute more Christians he once despised. A light shines down on him and temporarily blinds him..and Paul looks up and says: "WHO ART THOU LORD"? AND THE LORD SAYS: I AM JESUS WHOM THOU PERSECUTEST; IT IS HARD TO KICK AGAINST THE PRICKS".
Can you honestly say you get this from Genesis?
Jesus Christ teaches us, plainly, come the Kingdom there is no giving or taking of a wife for we all live forever, and we are like the angels........ Accordidng to Jesus Christ God is One. This much I understand plainly, but what you have contributed I cannot derive from Genesis no matter how hard I squeeze. How do you come to this determination? It must have been difficult.
Jesus Christ teaches us, plainly, come the Kingdom there is no giving or taking of a wife for we all live forever, and we are like the angels........ Accordidng to Jesus Christ God is One. This much I understand plainly, but what you have contributed I cannot derive from Genesis no matter how hard I squeeze. How do you come to this determination? It must have been difficult.
God who is one Spirit does not express himself as three persons .Three throughout the scriptures is used to express the end of a matter.
One supernatural Spirit who remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life, expressing himself through two attributes called a father and a son .
God is not man as us. He is not compared to a man who has a beginning. We are created in His image not him in our image.
One supernatural Spirit who remains without mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life, expressing himself through two attributes called a father and a son .
God is not man as us. He is not compared to a man who has a beginning. We are created in His image not him in our image.