Are we saved with a "dead" faith?

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#81
Dude get over yourself.

I asked a question. I did not try to do a thing to you.

If you are to proud that you can not be questioned by anyone then maybe this is not the place for you. We do not need arrogant people in Gods chat trying to show younger Christians what it means to be a christian..

Again. As I said, Your basis was off.

One can obey the "moral law" and still be a sinner. It is not obeying a moral code which makes us moral people. it is the heart attitude. If you would recognize this, you would have never said what you said, and I would not have had to question what you were saying.


But you do not want to hear this. Your right, everyone else is wrong. and anyone who questions you is a child who does not know anything..
What you should of written is
I act like a child so I understand you not listening to me

There are people on this website I have been fortunate to learn from, others I know I can learn nothing from
 
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#82
What you should of written is
I act like a child so I understand you not listening to me

There are people on this website I have been fortunate to learn from, others I know I can learn nothing from

lol. whatever,


Good day sir..

If I see you say something questionable. I will respond. If you do not like that, again, I think you need to go someplace else.

Feel free to do the same for me. I will not act like a kid and get all upset if you ask me a question.
 
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lol. whatever,


Good day sir..

If I see you say something questionable. I will respond. If you do not like that, again, I think you need to go someplace else.

Feel free to do the same for me. I will not act like a kid and get all upset if you ask me a question.
As I told you by all means disagree with what I do write, but not with what I don't write. That just shows you are still sulking from yesterday
 
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#84
As for still being a sinner I the moral law is kept. I guess you do know Paul could faultlessly keep all the law apart from the moral law. It has always been the moral law Tha has been the problem, not the legalistic law

Your wrong again, the two are not separated, the moral law is included in the mosaic law. That is where you get so confused.

I can obey the ten commands by the letter (written on stone or my heart would not matter). and still be a sinner with no spiritual awareness of what I am even doing. It is called human good..Because I do not break a command, as written, does not mean I am not breaking the command, Jesus proved this in his sermon on the mount, When he said, the law says do this, But I tell you, if you do that, you broke that law.



Thats why the law will NEVER make us morally good people. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

but for some reason, your stuck on law (however you say it) and think that is the way to be good people. so you can not comprehend this fact.
 
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#85
As I told you by all means disagree with what I do write, but not with what I don't write. That just shows you are still sulking from yesterday
again get over yourself.

you did nothing yesterday, but give me a reason to question everything you say, because your closed minded.


It was your responses yesterday that got me to question what you said, If you did not have this belief system of law. I would never have had to question you. Many people who preach law also preach sinless perfection. so I had to ask if you were one of them..

You answered. But you could not leave it at that, you had to be offended again.

Thats sad
 
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Your wrong again, the two are not separated, the moral law is included in the mosaic law. That is where you get so confused.

I can obey the ten commands by the letter (written on stone or my heart would not matter). and still be a sinner with no spiritual awareness of what I am even doing. It is called human good..Because I do not break a command, as written, does not mean I am not breaking the command, Jesus proved this in his sermon on the mount, When he said, the law says do this, But I tell you, if you do that, you broke that law.



Thats why the law will NEVER make us morally good people. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

but for some reason, your stuck on law (however you say it) and think that is the way to be good people. so you can not comprehend this fact.
All you are doing is showing how little you understand. It would be better if you just kept to simpke statements the christian is not under a law of righteousness, your ok then
Yep one whom law, and within Tha Paul said he could faultlessly keep the legalistic laws but not the moral law


Now show me my statement where I said the moral law is the way to make me good?

You see all you are doing with your lies is showing your inability to understand or refute my beliefs from scripture so all you are left with I lying. It is sad in truth
I'm not hung up about the law, you are. As soon as anyone mentions the word you start sulking, stamping your feet and accuse them of legalism. As I say your understanding I too small, all you can do I endlessly repeat one half of the covenant, anything else and you run into trouble
 
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again get over yourself.

you did nothing yesterday, but give me a reason to question everything you say, because your closed minded.


It was your responses yesterday that got me to question what you said, If you did not have this belief system of law. I would never have had to question you. Many people who preach law also preach sinless perfection. so I had to ask if you were one of them..

You answered. But you could not leave it at that, you had to be offended again.

Thats sad
I don't preach law, you just don't understand half of the new covenant. That's why you keep lying about what I write
 
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All you are doing is showing how little you understand. It would be better if you just kept to simpke statements the christian is not under a law of righteousness, your ok then
Yep one whom law, and within Tha Paul said he could faultlessly keep the legalistic laws but not the moral law


Now show me my statement where I said the moral law is the way to make me good?

You see all you are doing with your lies is showing your inability to understand or refute my beliefs from scripture so all you are left with I lying. It is sad in truth
I'm not hung up about the law, you are. As soon as anyone mentions the word you start sulking, stamping your feet and accuse them of legalism. As I say your understanding I too small, all you can do I endlessly repeat one half of the covenant, anything else and you run into trouble
You keep telling everyone you are good. because God wrote the moral law on your heart.

End of story
 
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You keep telling everyone you are good. because God wrote the moral law on your heart.

End of story
More lies. Bring a post of mine where I stated that. You lost the debate a long time ago, your having to resort to lying proves it. Why be so concern to try and impress others you know much? All it has done is lead you into trouble
 
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#91
I don't preach law, you just don't understand half of the new covenant. That's why you keep lying about what I write
I understand the new covenant completely well..

I love because God loved me first. Out of this love, I am empowered to love others. as I love others, I naturally do good. It no longer becomes a burden, but it becomes a natural thing. Sin on the other hand, becomes un natural because it is no longer me nature, because i was given a new heart and a new nature in Christ Jesus.

It has nothing to do with any law. period. It has everything to do with the fact God so loved the world. he gave his only begotten son, that when I trust him, he gave me eternal life. And in this life, I am created to do good works..

no law.. No law... No law..

get over the, it will not help you do anything but be conceited.. like the pharisee.

I am not saying you are conceited (although from the last two days I must now question that even) just giving you a warning from what I experienced and witnessed as a young believer.

ehat you do with it is up to you.
 
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#92
More lies. Bring a post of mine where I stated that. You lost the debate a long time ago, your having to resort to lying proves it. Why be so concern to try and impress others you know much? All it has done is lead you into trouble
Oh, SO you never said that if you did not have the moral law which said "do not covet", you would be tempted to covet?? or would never know it was sin?? (as a believer in Christ it must be written in your heart) That what you said yesterday!

I am not lying, You seem to be back peddling, because your afraid to admit you may be wrong, why is that?
 
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I understand the new covenant completely well..

I love because God loved me first. Out of this love, I am empowered to love others. as I love others, I naturally do good. It no longer becomes a burden, but it becomes a natural thing. Sin on the other hand, becomes un natural because it is no longer me nature, because i was given a new heart and a new nature in Christ Jesus.

It has nothing to do with any law. period. It has everything to do with the fact God so loved the world. he gave his only begotten son, that when I trust him, he gave me eternal life. And in this life, I am created to do good works..

no law.. No law... No law..

get over the, it will not help you do anything but be conceited.. like the pharisee.

I am not saying you are conceited (although from the last two days I must now question that even) just giving you a warning from what I experienced and witnessed as a young believer.

ehat you do with it is up to you.
So it I natural for you to do good and unnatural for you to sin. Where does your constant lying fit into the above?
 
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So it I natural for you to do good and unnatural for you to sin. Where does your constant lying fit into the above?

What lying, show me where I have lied?
 
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Oh, SO you never said that if you did not have the moral law which said "do not covet", you would be tempted to covet?? or would never know it was sin?? (as a believer in Christ it must be written in your heart) That what you said yesterday!

I am not lying, You seem to be back peddling, because your afraid to admit you may be wrong, why is that?
Then if you are not lying produce a post of mine where I stated I am good because God put the moral law on my heart

You cannot produce such a post so it I one lie after the other isn't it. That is not spiritual maturity.
 
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What lying, show me where I have lied?
Easy produce any post where I have stated I am good because the moral law is on my heart. I repeat yesterday and today you just keep lying as to what I have written, for you have nowhere else to go
 
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#97
Easy produce any post where I have stated I am good because the moral law is on my heart. I repeat yesterday and today you just keep lying as to what I have written, for you have nowhere else to go
A law of righteousness is not for the Christian. Thou shalt not steal, lie, bear false witness is.
Yep, we trust him to work in us. Nothing of ourselves
Only through the law can you become conscious of sin
The law being written on our minds and placed on our hearts simply means in our minds we instinctively know how God wants us to live and in our hearts we want to obey
If they are conscious they sin by bearing false witness, that law has been placed on their heart. Simple!

according to these words of yours. how else can one know to do good??


These are your words.. So I lied?? I can find alot more if you want.. Next!!
 
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#98
A law of righteousness is not for the Christian. Thou shalt not steal, lie, bear false witness is.
Yep, we trust him to work in us. Nothing of ourselves
Only through the law can you become conscious of sin
I love this one

Again, How can one possibly come to Christ, if they do not know they have sinned and become conscious of that sin? in order to repent and seek Gods grace and forgiveness..

This happens BEFORE one is saved, NOT AFTER..
 
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according to these words of yours. how else can one know to do good??


These are your words.. So I lied?? I can find alot more if you want.. Next!!
Your embarrassing yourself now.
The law being placed within ys means we know how God wants us to live and in our hearts we want to obey. I didn't say Tha made mw good. So do you not want to obey God in your heart?
Your response I frankly very sad. But you will try anything wo nt you because scripturally you have nowhere to go