Are we saved with a "dead" faith?

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So all the christian knows is love, they have no understanding of anything specifically Tha is right or wrong. They don't know they should not lie, steal, commit adultery kill etc

Well that is very interesting I must say
 
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blue_ladybug said:
If faith is dead, then it isn't faith, is it? lol
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it does seem like a foolish thought that one would not understand that is true, but then again, the things of God are foolish to the world. who have not yet gotten to know him.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Well many legalists would agree with you. In fact many of them would make an excuse and probably say they were not even lying, they were just saying something to protect someone or whatever lame excuse they give

A true child of God will realize he thought of self. and in that moment put the needs of himself over the needs of the one he lied to. And that would cause him to repent. and turn back to God. (the thought of some command which says do not bear false witness does not even have to come across his mind, it is not even needed)

Your stuck on rules and regulations dude, they will not help you.
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No i agree with Paul, I guess he was a legalist too

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness

Now if you are right why did he add those last two words? I guess he didn't have as much knowledge as you
 
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james57 said:
So all the christian knows is love, they have no understanding of anything specifically Tha is right or wrong. They don't know they should not lie, steal, commit adultery kill etc

Well that is very interesting I must say
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No one here has said that Christians know only love, and no understanding of anything else..You're referring to the ten commandments, and we honor those.
 
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james57 said:
So all the christian knows is love, they have no understanding of anything specifically Tha is right or wrong. They don't know they should not lie, steal, commit adultery kill etc

Well that is very interesting I must say
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So Jesus lied? "in these two commands all the law and prophets are fulfilled"

If i love my wife, why would I ever cheat on her or disrespect her? WHy do I need a law which says do not commit adultry (I already know thats a sin any way, what power will it give me to not sin against my wife, it has no power to do that)

If I do fail, and do sin against her, it is because I did not love her, I put my needs above hers, and became carnal (self serving) in my thinking.

Not because I did not obey some command. That foolishness.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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james57 said:
No i agree with Paul, I guess he was a legalist too

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness

Now if you are right why did he add those last two words? I guess he didn't have as much knowledge as you
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Yep. he is the END.

But you want him to put that same law write back into our minds and make us follow them..

yawn,, this is getting old.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So Jesus lied? "in these two commands all the law and prophets are fulfilled"

If i love my wife, why would I ever cheat on her or disrespect her? WHy do I need a law which says do not commit adultry (I already know thats a sin any way, what power will it give me to not sin against my wife, it has no power to do that)

If I do fail, and do sin against her, it is because I did not love her, I put my needs above hers, and became carnal (self serving) in my thinking.

Not because I did not obey some command. That foolishness.
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Why are you asking I Jesus lied. Jesus stated the law hung on two commandments under the old covenant, but did that mean the rest of the law didn't exist? Thank you for proving me correct
 
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blue_ladybug said:
No one here has said that Christians know only love, and no understanding of anything else..You're referring to the ten commandments, and we honor those.
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I think paul said it best, and I will paraphrase.

I can do anything (even obey all of Gods commands) but if I have not love, it is useless.. (self serving)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep. he is the END.

But you want him to put that same law write back into our minds and make us follow them..

yawn,, this is getting old.
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Lol Paul states unto righteousness. But then he didn't know as much as you did he
 
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james57 said:
Why are you asking I Jesus lied. Jesus stated the law hung on two commandments under the old covenant, but did that mean the rest of the law didn't exist? Thank you for proving me correct
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lol. THERE IS NO REST OF THE LAW DUDE.

thou shalt not covet is the law of moses. period....
 
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james57 said:
No i agree with Paul, I guess he was a legalist too

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness

Now if you are right why did he add those last two words? I guess he didn't have as much knowledge as you
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He added those two words because the law demanded righteousness. Christ is the end of the law as a means of achieving a state of righteousness.
 
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He added those two words because the law demanded righteousness. Christ is the end of the law as a means of achieving a state of righteousness.
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Er no, you should know better than that, how many scriptures do you www ant in support of Tha one?
 
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Lol Paul states unto righteousness. But then he didn't know as much as you did he
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this is getting ridiculous. Whatever dude, As I said, keep believing any way you want. If you think that makes you such a great christian, thats up to you. Whatever floats your boat as they say.

As for me, I will trust God. nd seek God for his love and guidance, and not puff myself up because I follow some law
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
He added those two words because the law demanded righteousness. Christ is the end of the law as a means of achieving a state of righteousness.
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Yep. he put an end to the law as achieving a means of righteousness, Because it could never do it. all it could do is condemn, which was its purpose.
 
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james57 said:
The law hung on love God And love your neighbour under the old covenant but the rest of the law was still applicable
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ANy law, in any age, in any time period, in the history of mankind, hangs on love..

If i have not love, it is useless.

I am not good because I obey a command, I am good. Because I am empowered by Gods love, to love others, as he loved me, and this causes me to be morally good.. (not perfect. because I do not love perfectly)

 
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james57 said:
Er no, you should know better than that, how many scriptures do you www ant in support of Tha one?
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You can throw as many 'scriptures' as you want at me, and I will probably ignore them unless you can tell me in your own words how 1) the law did not demand righteousness (thous shalt not, thou shall), and 2) Christ is not the end of the law as a means of achieving a state of righteousness.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

this is getting ridiculous. Whatever dude, As I said, keep believing any way you want. If you think that makes you such a great christian, thats up to you. Whatever floats your boat as they say.

As for me, I will trust God. nd seek God for his love and guidance, and not puff myself up because I follow some law
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More ridiculous comments. I am puffed up for believing the plain words of scripture rather than the gospel of eg
It is you who are puffed up my friend
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You can throw as many 'scriptures' as you want at me, and I will probably ignore them unless you can tell me in your own words how 1) the law did not demand righteousness (thous shalt not, thou shall), and 2) Christ is not the end of the law as a means of achieving a state of righteousness.
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The law did demand righteousness and Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness
 
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