Are we sinners?

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Are christians still sinners?


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"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

We get white robes by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's His righteousness...not by our works that we do....those are filthy rags...he is talking to people in the gatherings there in church that have not come to Jesus yet....our churches here are full of people like that now as well...

white robes = His righteousness
Notice Jesus motioned the blotting out of their names out of the book of life. This means it is possible for the Lord to blot out names which were previously written in the book of Life.

Also notice the verse before that...."Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy."

This shows how some would in fact defile their new white garments and be in danger of having their names blotted out of the book of Life.
 
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Yep..everyone's name is in the book of life to start with..Jesus has everyone in the Book of Life to begin with...

John 1:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


Notice Jesus motioned the blotting out of their names out of the book of life. This means it is possible for the Lord to blot out names which were previously written in the book of Life.

Also notice the verse before that...."Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy."

This shows how some would in fact defile their new white garments and be in danger of having their names blotted out of the book of Life.
 
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Here are some thoughts that will go along with the article on Sardis mentioned earlier...

It is only our faith in what Jesus did that makes any of us worthy (Ephesians 2:8 and Titus 3:5). These white garments are the righteousness of the saints (Revelation 19:8). This righteousness comes as a gift (Romans 5:17). We saints don’t make these robes; they are given to us. But we can defile them.

This righteousness is in our born-again (see my note at John 3:3) spirits (see my notes at 2 Corinthians 5:17 and Ephesians 4:24). Our spirits cannot be defiled, because they are sealed (see my note at Ephesians 1:13), but our souls and bodies can be defiled, giving the devil an inroad into our lives (see my note at Romans 6:16). When that happens, we need to turn from what we’ve done and confess or agree with the Lord. Then the righteousness that is in our perfect spirits (see my notes at Hebrews 10:10, 14; and 12:23) comes out into our flesh and purges it from all unrighteousness (see my note at 1 John 1:9).

Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.
 
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The question should not be if we are sinners, the question should be: "Is your name written in the Book of Life"?

We are NOT judged by our sins, we are judged by our acceptance of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
And those who don't overcome and conquer are blotted out of the book of life.

The one who conquers in this way will be dressed in white clothing, and I will not blot his name from the book of life, and I will declare his name before my Father and before his angels. Revelation 3:5

The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will be harmed by no means by the second death. Revelation 2:11
 
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“They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.” (Rev 3:4-5)

Those who preach a works-based gospel – which is no gospel at all – have used this verse to burden Christians with unholy demands for religious works. They say things like, “you’ve got to perform for Jesus lest he find your deeds incomplete.” Or they say, “if you don’t overcome to the end, Jesus will blot out your name from the book of life.” Honestly, it’s as if the cross made no difference at all!

Why would Jesus – who nailed the law to the cross and died so that we might live free from its demands – suddenly turn around and start laying law on his church?

In this passage Jesus gives Christians the most wonderful assurance of their salvation. He says, “I will never blot out their names from the book of life.” To this the confused preacher replies, “Watch out Jesus might be tricking us, he might yet do what he just said he would never do.” It’s ludicrous!

Jesus not only died for us but he lives for us that we might be holy and blameless. The riches of his love for us are not bound up in threats and conditions. He “performed” so that we don’t have to. Just as Jesus “worked” on our behalf, so he has overcome on our behalf:

“In the world you have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (Jn 16:33)

If you are in Christ, you have already overcome the world because he has overcome the world (1 Jn 4:4). Trials and tribulations may entangle and overcome sinners (2 Pet 2:20), but they cannot overcome you. You may not feel like an overcomer. The circumstances of your life may be trying to tell you that you are not an overcomer. But they are lying. They are speaking from a worldly point of view. We are from God and he says we are more than conquerors through Christ who loved us (Rms 8:37). The world may rise up against you, but Almighty God is for you! The entire world may try and condemn you but God himself justifies you (Rms 8:33).

The next time circumstances or people try to lay guilt on you saying you must do this and that to overcome, respond with this: “I believe that Jesus is God’s Son. In him I have already overcome the world!” (1 Jn 5:5).
 
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The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.....the fur's gonna start flying G777, but as for me I am persuaded that Jesus is able to keep all those the Father has given Him.

Our righteousness is imputed to us through Jesus and He paid a terrible price- so we would not have to
and it is non refundable. We are sealed with His Holy Spirit.
 
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LOL..I hear ya'

But I'll just leave the teachings and people can decide to believe whatever they want....the Holy Spirit in us reveals Jesus to us...our Lord is faithful and mighty to save!

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.....the fur's gonna start flying G777, but as for me I am persuaded that Jesus is able to keep all those the Father has given Him.

Our righteousness is imputed to us through Jesus and He paid a terrible price- so we would not have to
and it is non refundable. We are sealed with His Holy Spirit.
 
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Why would Jesus – who nailed the law to the cross and died so that we might live free from its demands – suddenly turn around and start laying law on his church?
This is why this New Grace doctrine is rightfully called antinomian (lawless). Any requirement to live in righteousness and holiness is demonized. All you folks want to do is have a good ride in drunken glory without having to do anything. Christ will say, 'Depart from me, you who work lawlessness'.
 
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Yep..everyone's name is in the book of life to start with..Jesus has everyone in the Book of Life to begin with...
False.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
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Well the Book of Life is from the foundation of the world..that is true..but obviously names are blodded out because they refuse the grace of Christ....and it looks like God knows which ones refuse Christ...:)




False.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 
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yes..Jesus says "Depart from Me..i never knew you"..it's the people that refuse Christ's sacrifice for them that are lawless...

..and of course there comes the accusation that we believe no one should "live in righteousness and holiness"..thus the "demonization"....lol..it's endless ...hilarious actually..consistent and persistent in mis-representing what is said...but we are getting used to it....keep it coming!...:cool:

That's why I love you!..You are so much fun!


This is why this New Grace doctrine is rightfully called antinomian (lawless). Any requirement to live in righteousness and holiness is demonized. All you folks want to do is have a good ride in drunken glory without having to do anything. Christ will say, 'Depart from me, you who work lawlessness'.
 
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Well the Book of Life is from the foundation of the world..that is true..but obviously names are blodded out because they refuse the grace of Christ....and it looks like God knows which ones refuse Christ...:)
What's obvious is that you were wrong about every ones name being written in the book of life to start with, as I showed by the words of God.

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

So who to believe, you and your internet teachers, or the words of God? Hmmmm I'll stick with the words of God. :)
 
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So God has determined for some people not to be written in the Book of Life from even before they were born?

What's obvious is that you were wrong about every ones name being written in the book of life to start with, as I showed by the words of God.

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

So who to believe, you and your internet teachers, or the words of God? Hmmmm I'll stick with the words of God. :)
 
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So God has determined for some people not to be written in the Book of Life from even before they were born?
It's called predestination, Gods foreknowledge of whom he has chosen=elect

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 

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Positionally we are reckoned as saints ; set apart for His service. He sees us robed in Christ's righteousness.

Operationally...we do sin, unless you are so righteous that you 100% love God with ALL your heart, mind and soul 100% of the time and 100% love your neighbor as your self....Sorry, I don't come close to that feat and therefore sin... and in myself am a sinner.
 
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Ahhhh..I thought that's where you "mindset" was coming from...now I understand your views....

What a horrible "god" that is that would bring people to this earth only to throw them in the lake of fire.....would we do that as a father to our children?..of course not...it's completely foolish..

I think your idea of this "god" and what it's nature is and what the true nature of God is..is vastly different..

anyway....people have views on both sides of that coin...everyone has their own views of the nature of our loving , good Father!

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.



Have a wonderful day and be blessed!


It's called predestination, Gods foreknowledge of whom he has chosen=elect

1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
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This is why this New Grace doctrine is rightfully called antinomian (lawless). Any requirement to live in righteousness and holiness is demonized. All you folks want to do is have a good ride in drunken glory without having to do anything. Christ will say, 'Depart from me, you who work lawlessness'.
NOT TRUE!!! I operate in love and the Bible says there is no law against those who do. If I love someone I don't have to be woried about lying or cheating them or doing them wrong.

I guess it's a half full/half empty thing. One chooses to be proactive and love, another chooses to try to obey rules.
 
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So God has determined for some people not to be written in the Book of Life from even before they were born?

(CLV) Ro 8:30
Now whom He foresees, these He also calls, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
 
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NOT TRUE!!! I operate in love and the Bible says there is no law against those who do. If I love someone I don't have to be woried about lying or cheating them or doing them wrong.

I guess it's a half full/half empty thing. One chooses to be proactive and love, another chooses to try to obey rules.
However, if you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. James 2:8