Are we sinners?

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Are christians still sinners?


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What do you confess?

HeRose : "god", I thank you that I am not like the others..that I can slander, bear false witness and with venomous malice attack those that trust in this " Jesus only "

God: "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him only!" You are forgiven because of My Son's blood. He has paid it all for you! Trust Him!

( psst..I forgive you too!..God bless you! )
Friend, you're the false witness, and I make no bones about it. Repent.
 

Dan58

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No need for that, the new covenant requires nothing, your 'Saved by Grace'. "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17). But put whatever Jesus said on a shelf, he's been overridden by OSAS. :)
 
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No need for that, the new covenant requires nothing, your 'Saved by Grace'. "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17). But put whatever Jesus said on a shelf, he's been overridden by OSAS. :)

You were an unbeliever before you changed your mind and believed, right? Bam. You got the message of Jesus preaching.
 
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Matthew 4:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Beautiful scripture!..Repent - change your mind and turn to trusting in God's sacrifice ..Jesus our Lord! All of heaven is attracted to jesus!!



No need for that, the new covenant requires nothing, your 'Saved by Grace'. "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17). But put whatever Jesus said on a shelf, he's been overridden by OSAS. :)
 

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I think the posts on this thread are the answer to the thread's question. :p
 

VCO

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No need for that, the new covenant requires nothing, your 'Saved by Grace'. "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17). But put whatever Jesus said on a shelf, he's been overridden by OSAS. :)

Will you listen to JESUS?

Repentance is part of what having GOD's Love in our hearts (Rom. 5:5) produces in us.

Therefore the lack of it, is evidence of not yet having the Holy Spirit in your heart, birthing your dead human spirit into eternal life.

Revelation 2:21 (NRSV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her fornication.

Revelation 3:3 (NRSV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Remember then what you received and heard; obey it, and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.

Revelation 3:19 (NRSV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I reprove and discipline those whom I love. Be earnest, therefore, and repent.

Revelation 9:20-21 (NRSV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The rest of humankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands or give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries (That is what they called use of drugs or "magic potions" in Bible times) their fornication or their thefts.

Revelation 16:8-9 (NRSV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The fourth angel poured his bowl on the sun, and it was allowed to scorch people with fire;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] they were scorched by the fierce heat, but they cursed the name of God, who had authority over these plagues, and they did not repent and give him glory.

Will you believe GOD?

Acts 17:30 (ASV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The times of ignorance therefore God overlooked; but now he commandeth men that they should all everywhere repent:

Will you believe PAUL?

Acts 26:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Instead, I preached to those in Damascus first, and to those in Jerusalem and in all the region of Judea, and to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works worthy of repentance.

[HR][/HR]
 

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Look like nobody got salvation from Jesus Christ.Nobody can use blood of Christ to clean up you self.And still call you self sinners.I do not know, why you came to Jesus?Do you know, Who you play with? Some sins you keep it.Do not like to repent?Or you give up with that? Jesus on yours side.He wait when you stand against sin.Show world who you are.You not any more use sin for pleasures.He going teach you to hate it.When you get on His side.Just do it, and ask Him for help.Stop do it sin.Cut of sources of sin;stop to receive dirty money,live bad companies,don't mix good and bed thins,stop watch pornography and bad channels,don't do bad business,stop listen ungodly music,live bad friends.First time look like its not easy to do it.You can lose something for Him.Tell Him; I lose in yours name because you did same for me.I want to be like you are,with out sin.Lets Him protect yours soul and yours body from that.Ask Him for that.Bring to Him yours bad thoughts.Tell Him,how bad it for you and ask Him to removed this stuff from yours head.Bring everything under His holly blood.Let Him sanctified yours body, yours soul with , yours heard,with His blood.Its take time to do that.Because He like to know how strong yours decision to stand against sin.You must show that Him,like His son or daughter. Instead bad thins,He give everything from His hand.Because you do it like He is.He show you how live with out sin.You life going changed everywhere;in yours family,on yours job,in yours soul,You get new vision on this world and on events what around you.You going have happiness and joy.He will listen yours pray and yours needs.He protect yours eyes from bad thins.Satan like if you call your self sinner.But you not any more sinner.Of course if you do mistakes,same time pray for that and bring under His blood.Tell Him;Satan pushed me on this way and I don't want to do that any more.Don't forget Satan wont to make sure you decision strong too. Remember,John9;31,;Now we know God hear not sinners;but if man be a worshipper of God,does His will,him His hear.;Sinners not go to heaven,according Bible. Children of God sty without sin because they born again. 1John5;18,;We know that whosoever is born of God sinned not;but he that is begotten of God keep himself and that wicked one touched him not.
 

VCO

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Look like nobody got salvation from Jesus Christ.
Nobody can use blood of Christ to clean up you self. And still call you self sinners.
I do not know, why you came to Jesus? Do you know, Who you play with?
Some sins you keep it. Do not like to repent? Or you give up with that?
Jesus on yours side. He wait when you stand against sin. Show world who you are.
You not any more use sin for pleasures. He is going to teach you to hate it.
When you get on His side. Just do it, and ask Him for help. Stop do it sin.
Cut of sources of sin; stop to receive dirty money, live bad companies,
don't mix good and bad things, stop watch pornography and bad channels,
don't do bad business, stop listen ungodly music, live bad friends. First time
look like its not easy to do it. You can lose something for Him. Tell Him;
I in yours name because you did same for me. I want to be like you are,with out sin.
Let Him protect yours soul and yours body from that. Ask Him for that. Bring to Him
your bad thoughts. Tell Him, how bad it for you and ask Him to remove this stuff
from your head. Bring everything under His holy blood. Let Him sanctified your body,
yours soul with , your heart, with His blood. It takes time to do that. Because He
like to know how strong yours decision to stand against sin. You must show that Him,
like His son or daughter. Instead bad things, He give everything from His hand. Because
you do it like He is. He show you how live with out sin. You life going changed everywhere;
in yours family, on yours job, in your soul, You get new vision on this world and on events
that are around you. You are going to have happiness and joy. He will listen to your
prayers and your needs. He protect yours eyes from bad things. Satan likes it if you call your
self sinner
. But you not any more a sinner. Of course if you do mistakes, same time pray for
that forgiveness and bring it under His blood. Tell Him; Satan pushed me on this way and
I don't want to do that any more. Don't forget Satan wants to make sure your decision
isn't strong too. Remember, John 9:31, "Now we know God hear not sinners; but if man be
a worshipper of God, does His will,him His hear."; Sinners not go to heaven, according Bible.
Children of God is begotten of God keep himself and that wicked one touched him not.
First of all, I want to compliment you, because I found your English to be pretty good. I hope you do not mind, but I took the liberty to correct some minor typos, and missing words, to make it more understandable to others reading this. I inserted a couple words in blue italics, because it appeared to have a missing word, but I was not sure what word you intended to have.


Like Dr. John MacArthur Jr. (President of the Master's College and Seminary) has said on more than one occasion: "A Christian is not sinless, however, as the Christian matures spiritually, they WILL sin, less, and less, and less."

For the most part, I agree with you, but your statements that I have a slightly different understanding from Scripture, I changed to Red Type. Let's start with the last one, because it is the easiest to answer. Satan does not push us, he simply places temptation in our path, and we have to accept FULL BLAME for falling for Satan's temptations. Personally, I think "the Devil made me do it" is refusing to accept the BLAME for giving into our sin nature.

I cannot seem to make the statement that "when a Christian calls himself a sinner, that it is of Satan"; square with what the Scriptures actually says. My understanding is that there are only TWO kinds of sinners on this earth, SAVED sinners and UNSAVED sinners. Perhaps this will help you understand my point of view.

JUSTIFICATION happens the very moment we first genuinely believe, receiving Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER, totally because of what HE did on the Cross.

SANCTIFICATION of the body, is a life long spiritual maturing, as we grow to physically become more and more like CHRIST.
However at NO TIME IN THIS MORTAL BODY OF SIN, will we be RID of the Sin Nature (the propensity to sin) that we inherited from ADAM from his original sin.

Romans 7:14-25 (NLT)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] I love God’s law with all my heart.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But there is another power within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
1 John 3:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Everyone who remains in Him does not sin; everyone who sins has not seen Him or known Him.

English only had 3 primary verb tenses, while the Greek has 4. The words sin and sins, are in that that fourth tense, that implies an ongoing lifestyle of doing that verb. THEREFORE, John is not contradicting what Paul said in Romans. What John is saying, is a Christian's Lifestyle is characterized by continually striving NOT TO SIN, while the Unbeliever's Lifestyle is characterized by continually SINNING. It it NOT talking about the Perfection of one's Christian WALK, but rather the dominant DIRECTION OF ONE'S WALK IN CHRIST. Like MacArthur said, as we mature we WILL sin, less, and less, and less.

Luke 18:13 (NIV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

Luke 7:34 (NASB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] "The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'

1 Timothy 1:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Galatians 2:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!

James 4:7-10 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Grieve, mourn and wail. {Over your sinfulness.} Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

1 John 1:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

That "confess" in verse 9 is in the Greek fourth primary tense, that implies an ongoing process. That willingness to confess and repent of each new sin, certainly is part of the SANCTIFICATION PROCESS.
 
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VCO

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. . .stop listen ungodly music. . .
I want to share some GODLY MUSIC with you, even if neither of us understand the Language she is singing in. It is Emmy Kosqei, from Kenya, Africa:

[video=youtube;4L7WCRx1TRI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L7WCRx1TRI[/video]