Are woman supposed to stay silent in church?
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33. for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, 34. let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law. 35. And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church. 36. What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone? 37. If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord. 38. But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant. (1 Corinthian 14:33-38)
Like our dear brother Paulus writes, that like the all churches of the saint, woman position is to be a listener, and like he continue that this is a commandment of the Lord.
It is a true doctrine which many have thrown away.
Humility it takes to woman to be in her position, and there is nothing wrong about humility.
Like our dear brother Paulus writes, that like the all churches of the saint, woman position is to be a listener, and like he continue that this is a commandment of the Lord.
It is a true doctrine which many have thrown away.
Humility it takes to woman to be in her position, and there is nothing wrong about humility.
It never ceases to amaze me why someone would be against women speaking in a Christian church, would not become a member of a church which permits it, and yet becomes a member on this Christian site which encourages women to teach.
If you don't agree with the rules of this site, why become a part of it? Seriously, WHY?
I don't have a problem with women speaking in church or preaching or singing. I'm no sexist. I just came across the bible verse which I've heard many times and I was confused to what it meant. That's all
If you don't agree with the rules of this site, why become a part of it? Seriously, WHY?
I don't have a problem with women speaking in church or preaching or singing. I'm no sexist. I just came across the bible verse which I've heard many times and I was confused to what it meant. That's all
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If I was to preach in the worship assembly, as a woman that I am, this is how it would go...
I would walk up to the pulpit, smile at the crowd, ... And stand there for an hour with my mouth shut. Women are to be silent in the worship assembly. It is given to men to lead. It is not that women are unable, it is that it is our punishment. Men are to work by the sweat of their brow, with thorns and thistles. I don't see a woman trying to take his place when it comes to that.
Even Jesus knew His role and respected others roles, when Saul was on the road to Damascus, why didn't He just tell him what he must do to be saved? Because that is the Christians job.
The grass may seem greener on the other side, but whether you are male or female it is the one who serves others most who stores up more treasures in heaven. We all have our roles on the earth, but in heaven and in Christ there is no male or female.
I would walk up to the pulpit, smile at the crowd, ... And stand there for an hour with my mouth shut. Women are to be silent in the worship assembly. It is given to men to lead. It is not that women are unable, it is that it is our punishment. Men are to work by the sweat of their brow, with thorns and thistles. I don't see a woman trying to take his place when it comes to that.
Even Jesus knew His role and respected others roles, when Saul was on the road to Damascus, why didn't He just tell him what he must do to be saved? Because that is the Christians job.
The grass may seem greener on the other side, but whether you are male or female it is the one who serves others most who stores up more treasures in heaven. We all have our roles on the earth, but in heaven and in Christ there is no male or female.
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Oh, okay so now my post as I was being nice to those that believe some women have no right to speak or those who thing the Bible verse means this or that. Anyways, I am all about helping others convert or listen to the Christian way of living and life through Jesus Christ. Some of you or others cannot stop me. If the verse were true, then I would still then face God ask for forgiveness, and repent for the listening or reading what He had told Paul to write. However, if it is not meant to be that women should not speak than I shall have the moment where I high five God for preaching His Word.
God bless all.
God bless all.
1 Cor. 14:34 should not be mis-understood in isolation from the rest of the bible. On the contrary, we need to interpret the bible by the bible and with the bible. According to the teachings of the entire New Testament, sisters may prophesy, but they do not have the authority to define doctrines. This must be left to the brother's. Furthermore, it is a fact in history that some of the most serious heresies have come in thru women.
Vs. 35: is commenting on things going on "in the Church" hence, Church meetings.
Vs. 36: Tells that one Church should not go rogue in the practices of the churches overall.
Vs. 37 Give His authority on all this from the Lord Himself not Paul
But Practically speaking, whether man is the head of woman or the women rules the household, woman are equal to God. If a knee and a foot hung out they may not have a lot to talk about. But when the mouth showed up, they could all take credit for the function of the body equally.Different roles doesn't equal lesser value.
Ps] remember too outside in the streets Woman spoke and prophesied as well.
Vs. 35: is commenting on things going on "in the Church" hence, Church meetings.
Vs. 36: Tells that one Church should not go rogue in the practices of the churches overall.
Vs. 37 Give His authority on all this from the Lord Himself not Paul
But Practically speaking, whether man is the head of woman or the women rules the household, woman are equal to God. If a knee and a foot hung out they may not have a lot to talk about. But when the mouth showed up, they could all take credit for the function of the body equally.Different roles doesn't equal lesser value.
Ps] remember too outside in the streets Woman spoke and prophesied as well.
Yeah....I'm not sure it's theologically sound to presume that women remaining silent in churches is part of our "punishment" (by which, I presume, you're referencing the curses from the Fall). It is NOT one of the curses mentioned. So, saying that it is a "punishment" is significantly interpreting something that isn't evident within the given texts. Also, I find the idea that any Christian would be living under the curses of the Fall to be counter to the teachings of the gospel. Either the work of Christ on the Cross is effectual, or it's not. Either the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ broke the back of sin and death, or it didn't. Why would someone have freedom in Christ, yet deliberately choose to remain under the curses associated with the Fall?
Additionally, in the Western world, most men no longer work "by the sweat of their brow." The vast majority of Westerners enjoy jobs in air-conditioned offices that are not physically intensive. There are plenty of women in the world who DO work by the sweat of their brows all around the world. These women are single, or must aid their husbands in providing for their families. If you want to go all metaphorical with the "sweat of the brow" idea, *I* work by the sweat of my brow since I'm entirely self-supportive and get aid from no man.
As for the other curses: That women will experience pain in childbirth. This has largely been mitigated due to the wonders of modern medicine. The survival of infants has also significantly risen because of medical interventions as well. And finally...that her desire shall be for her husband and he shall rule over her. Yeah...this is also mitigated by the work of the Cross. The dynamic set up for a Christian marriage demands that a woman submit to her husband "as unto the Lord...." which means that her desire is for the Lord. Also, the demand that husbands love their wives as Christ loves the Church sets the whole "rule over her" in its rightful place as well.
As far as I'm concerned, the curses of the OT are slowly being dismantled and eroded by the work of Christ within the world.
Additionally, in the Western world, most men no longer work "by the sweat of their brow." The vast majority of Westerners enjoy jobs in air-conditioned offices that are not physically intensive. There are plenty of women in the world who DO work by the sweat of their brows all around the world. These women are single, or must aid their husbands in providing for their families. If you want to go all metaphorical with the "sweat of the brow" idea, *I* work by the sweat of my brow since I'm entirely self-supportive and get aid from no man.
As for the other curses: That women will experience pain in childbirth. This has largely been mitigated due to the wonders of modern medicine. The survival of infants has also significantly risen because of medical interventions as well. And finally...that her desire shall be for her husband and he shall rule over her. Yeah...this is also mitigated by the work of the Cross. The dynamic set up for a Christian marriage demands that a woman submit to her husband "as unto the Lord...." which means that her desire is for the Lord. Also, the demand that husbands love their wives as Christ loves the Church sets the whole "rule over her" in its rightful place as well.
As far as I'm concerned, the curses of the OT are slowly being dismantled and eroded by the work of Christ within the world.
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Just for the record
I disagree with your post
1. I doubt God has called you to, as you say, preach. However it would be good if you would acquaint yourself with NT scriptures as there are recorded therein women who did not keep silent...some were prophetess' and others helped with the founding of churches. You cannot prophesy in truth without the Holy Spirit which means God approved. You cannot do that with your mouth nailed shut
2. Have you not heard that we are all a new creation in Christ? while I do not agree with women being pastors...or elders as the Bible says those positions should be filled by a man with one wife (which would seem to exclude women), it does not ever say that we are being punished. God directs people to speak according to his will and you call that punishment? That puzzles me quite frankly
3. Not all men work by the sweat of their brow and women can work also. Please check out Proverbs 31...and then tell us that women do not work or cannot work. further, the NT mentions one woman, Lydia, who also had her own business. I am sure there were others but not every women alive back then is mentionned anymore then the men are. BTW, Lydia was a Christian of course otherwise I would not give her as an example
4. You don't see a woman sweating at her work? I guess you just do not get out very much. The world is full of women who work hard with no choice. Please do not compare your life with them. I am happy to supply whatever work I can do in my home which might at times, engender some sweat equity. What do you do? Watch?
4. Jesus is God. God does not have a 'role'..I do not understand how you see Jesus...Jesus had Saul/Paul go see believers so that a witness and testimony could be firmly established that he was actually converted and by Christ Himself. You had better believe he was converted on the road and not in front of another human being.
5. I don't have a role. I have a life and I try to follow Christ and that does not mean with a dish towel in my hand
ps...I have been on the platform in church many times, I do not usurp any man's postion, I support the Pastor and I confirm order in the church.
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I used to struggle with this piece of Scripture, until I realised that there is NO condemnation in Jesus Christ.
And then theres the Scripture that clearly states: .....there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And then lets not forget the New Covenant that Jesus brought us, in place of the old. The new Way.
We are ALL free because of Jesus, and what you think about Jesus is the most important....
Feel His delight in your freedom beloved.
And then theres the Scripture that clearly states: .....there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And then lets not forget the New Covenant that Jesus brought us, in place of the old. The new Way.
We are ALL free because of Jesus, and what you think about Jesus is the most important....
Feel His delight in your freedom beloved.
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Heavenly Father,
I pray in Jesus name that you will release everyone who lives under the old man laws.
That Your hand will move in their lives, and that they will be born again Lord.
And that they will live in the Way of the new covenant that You delivered to us through Jesus Christ, and that they seek and receive Your favour in their lives. Set them free Father. Amen
I pray in Jesus name that you will release everyone who lives under the old man laws.
That Your hand will move in their lives, and that they will be born again Lord.
And that they will live in the Way of the new covenant that You delivered to us through Jesus Christ, and that they seek and receive Your favour in their lives. Set them free Father. Amen