Are women allowed to Preach?

[loyaldisciple]

Not really. She is simply pointing out what just about everyone else on this site sees in your actions.

So, now who is acting like the king hornetguy ? You are the one here speaking for "just about everyone else". Not good enough for you to wage your own personal attacks I see. Now you have resorted to speaking for "just about everyone else". It is pretty clear that what you claim of others is actually what you do yourself.

 

[loyaldisciple]

I'm not your dear.

I resist submission to your ideas that's all. You take that as aggressive stance. It's defense. Mo matter how many times people have tried to engage you in the details of historical context and language you sidestep the issues. You want only one thing, ideological surrender to your Victorian ideas. You are not representing God's truth as you keep claiming. I reject your mindset, not God.

The scripture I post is not my ideas. That is what you keep refusing to recognize and admit. The scripture is the word of God. It has nothing to do with my idea at all. And you "have" rejected it over and over by attempting to claim those are my words.

 

[jaybird88]

You are the one who is very confused. You reversed the equation. I never said one could not speak without preaching. I said one could not preach without speaking.

but its the very act of SPEAKING that is forbidden, and according to you, if speaking is forbidden we must assume teaching is as well.

You certainly did say you had scripture to destroy scripture, because scripture was exactly what I gave to you. You went on to say you could destroy that "theory". It was not any theory, it was the word of God Himself. The words I gave you were not my words, so why do you contend I am referring to myself as Most High ? I referred to God as Most High by providing you with clearly written scripture.

it is in fact a theory when there is no specific command of the Most High commanding women not to teach. Paul says for women to keep silent, when you take this phrase and twist it into the Most High commanding women not to preach, now it becomes your theory being as Paul never says this.

You cannot take one exception to the rule and then claim that to be the rule. Paul was issued authority by God to clearly define the rule of preaching in the church, which authority was clearly given unto man. To point to all of time and to say that one woman did it also, does nothing to change the rule that was issued under God's authority. Your example does NOT destroy the rule issued by Paul. Not even close. Now if you can find a verse where someone given authority by God says that men should remain silent in the church while the women preach, then that would destroy the rule, but you can locate no such verse.

Paul was given authority to teach the message of Jesus, not new teachings Jesus never taught. Jesus taught men and women are equal, your using Paul to change this teaching to men and women are in fact NOT equal. how many other teachings of Jesus do you not like and think we should change?

your theory does not hold water, i just gave you scripture of women speaking in church. not just speaking but given a position of authority. a witness to Jesus would be a position of authority.

 

[loyaldisciple]

He has disqualified me from the ability to produce sperm yes. Just as you are disqualified from giving birth to children.

Unfortunately for you The Almighty has created women with the ability to think and speak. We even have the capacity to learn reading and writing. Sorry to disappoint you.

He also gave you the free will to sit and to deny the truth over and over again and I see you are taking full advantage of it.

 

[carl11]

I am totally submitted to my husband. That is the only person the Bible says I need to submit to.

So the word of God doesn’t say we are to submit to God Almighty and obey his laws ??

 

[LaurieB]

Are women allowed to Preach?

Well, it all depends on what Church you attend.

 

[loyaldisciple]

It is not proved that these are directives for the whole church, for all time. All that can be certain is that they are specific to the church at Corinth.

Why are we not living by Leviticus Chaper 16 ? Leviticus 15? it is written in plain English.


It's the Word of God. If you don't believe it with all your heart you are not trusting and believing in God. I haven't written Leviticus. God has.


Lev 16

29 “This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you— 30 because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins. 31 It is a day of sabbath rest, and you must deny yourselves; it is a lasting ordinance.

Lev:16 (KJV)

29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.
31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Do the verses say they are specific to any church OR do the verses simply say "churches". To limit the verses to applying to only a specific church is only your opinion, it is not in the verses.

 

[LaurieB]

So the word of God doesn’t say we are to submit to God Almighty and obey his laws ??

I read it and it seems to say that you are to submit to one another. did i get that wrong?

 

[Honey_Bee]

It is a carnal tactic to isolate and misuse scripture in the way it is being done in this thread. Churches of Christian denominationalism are not from God anyway. God gave one system of worship to the world and he took it away on the cross. Theological apostasy within Christianity began simultaneously with the ministry of reconciliation.

The number one fear tactic from theological corporate leaders/gatherers today is, if you speak against the way they use/view scripture, you are speaking against God/will/purpose etc. This is psychologically damaging to many seekers of the truth/love of God. How can you pursue the truth of God if you are afraid to turn from bad doctrine and/or wrong thinking?! God does not work like that. God desires fellowship with each of us, individually, as laborers together with Him in the word. What are you coming together under, when you go to a church and you don't believe all of the doctrines they teach/preach? A system of men(confusion, unrighteousness).


We are the temple of God. We are citizens of heaven. We are ambassadors of Christ. We are the church, the body of Christ. We serve God with our spirit, holding forth the word of life in truth. Our ministry is not found within the churches of Christianity, but with the fellowship of the saints. God is calling us to Christ, not to counterfeit systems of worship/service. God is not a theologian, and you will not come to the "knowledge of the truth" with a theological mindset, do not be unequally yoked.

All things are lawful unto me.


[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;[SUP]25 [/SUP]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[carl11]

I read it and it seems to say that you are to submit to one another. did i get that wrong?

No, this one was from Jas. 4:7

 

[preacher4truth]

Churches of Christian denominationalism are not from God anyway.

You've just condemned nearly every single godly converted believer. There are many many good churches out there preaching the Gospel. I'd take a blind guess that you're not worshiping in any body of believers that come together corporately and biblically.

Our ministry is not found within the churches of Christianity, but with the fellowship of the saints.

False dichotomy and shows how you feel about the bride of Christ, and it's not good.

Theological apostasy within Christianity began simultaneously with the ministry of reconciliation.

Must have began at 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 then. How dare Paul set an example for something that is apostate in teaching.

God is not a theologian

Why would he be? He is totally self-aware, omniscient, omnisapient, immutable. We, however, are not, thus 2 Timothy 2:15.

and you will not come to the "knowledge of the truth" with a theological mindset,

See the above verse, it rejects your ideology. We actually do arrive at more truth via study and via a theological mindset. But, you're conflating "knowledge of the truth" with salvation. Or something. Anyhow, whatever it is you're trying to convey it's vague.

do not be unequally yoked.

You really do need a heavy dose of 2 Timothy 2:15! It may help you to end mixing Scriptures together out of context and your arriving at error as you've done above. Please, in your diatribe against Christ's bride, while exalting yourself as superior to all who worship corporately, at the very least attempt to use the Scriptures properly!

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is a carnal tactic to isolate and misuse scripture in the way it is being done in this thread.

So how come you did not explain in your own words -- without any "misuse" -- what the quoted Scriptures mean? In fact they are so plain that they need no embellishment or interpretation. But you obviously have a different agenda.

 

[AuntieAnt]

[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;[SUP]25 [/SUP]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

I didn’t see a temple in the city because the Lord God All-Mighty and the Lamb are its Temple. The city didn’t have need for the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the Glory of God gave it light; the Lamb is the Light.

 

[UnderGrace]

I understand some of what you say, ekklesia is the spiritual assembly of true believers many of which are in the physical churches and some which are not.

I myself, do not belong to a " specific denomination" but I do assemble with other believers in fellowship.

My question is this ... I am not understanding what you mean when you state this, can you elaborate?

Theological apostasy within Christianity began simultaneously with the ministry of reconciliation.

It is a carnal tactic to isolate and misuse scripture in the way it is being done in this thread. Churches of Christian denominationalism are not from God anyway. God gave one system of worship to the world and he took it away on the cross. Theological apostasy within Christianity began simultaneously with the ministry of reconciliation.

The number one fear tactic from theological corporate leaders/gatherers today is, if you speak against the way they use/view scripture, you are speaking against God/will/purpose etc. This is psychologically damaging to many seekers of the truth/love of God. How can you pursue the truth of God if you are afraid to turn from bad doctrine and/or wrong thinking?! God does not work like that. God desires fellowship with each of us, individually, as laborers together with Him in the word. What are you coming together under, when you go to a church and you don't believe all of the doctrines they teach/preach? A system of men(confusion, unrighteousness).


We are the temple of God. We are citizens of heaven. We are ambassadors of Christ. We are the church, the body of Christ. We serve God with our spirit, holding forth the word of life in truth. Our ministry is not found within the churches of Christianity, but with the fellowship of the saints. God is calling us to Christ, not to counterfeit systems of worship/service. God is not a theologian, and you will not come to the "knowledge of the truth" with a theological mindset, do not be unequally yoked.

All things are lawful unto me.


[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;[SUP]25 [/SUP]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Do the verses say they are specific to any church OR do the verses simply say "churches". To limit the verses to applying to only a specific church is only your opinion, it is not in the verses.

Read the verses. Who could they be applied to?

Historical context is important, disregarding it has lead to this present strife.
Which women should "ask their own husbands at home"? This was discussed previously. You can rule out all single women and widows immediately.

These are God's commands perhaps. But to a fledgling body of believers. The first generation converted from entrenched paganism. Are you familiar with Corinth? There was a Temple of Apollo there. It rests under the ancient high place of Aphrodite. Paul had to try blow the cobwebs of idol worship and heathen tradition from this brand new body of believers. And there were many problems specific to that church. You can sense Paul's frustration in the letters he writes to them.

Illiterate women from a pagan background who are new Christian converts are not the same as the Christian women of today.
Corinth was a first century church, fact. Not my opinion. There was no Septuagint papyrus scroll of scripture in every household of the Asian province for women to reference. They had no choice but to learn in the assembly or "ask their own husbands".They could not ask questions quietly in the assembly because they were segregated.

It isn't reasonable to try to impose the same guidelines on Christian women today. We look back at a heritage of nearly 2000 years of Christian civilisation, we are well educated, we have our own copies of the scriptures to hand. We sit among the men in our assemblies, not separate from them. We know what Eve did. To the women of Corinth it was new information. We are raised knowing it. Do we need reminding everyday? I will not contribute to a climate of regression for our daughters.

 

[hornetguy]

So, now who is acting like the king hornetguy ? You are the one here speaking for "just about everyone else". Not good enough for you to wage your own personal attacks I see. Now you have resorted to speaking for "just about everyone else". It is pretty clear that what you claim of others is actually what you do yourself.

What is it with you and this "king" thing?

I am simply participating in this discussion, as everyone else is. During a discussion, sometimes generalities are made. You know about that, because you speak in generalities about anyone and everyone that disagrees with YOUR understanding of scripture.

I have never lived in a "black and white" world. I genuinely feel sorry for those that do.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

King Hornet sounds like a superhero

 

[Honey_Bee]

I understand some of what you say, ekklesia is the spiritual assembly of true believers many of which are in the physical churches and some which are not.

I myself, do not belong to a " specific denomination" but I do assemble with other believers in fellowship.

My question is this ... I am not understanding what you mean when you state this, can you elaborate?

Sure, certainly, thanks for asking. I assemble with other believers in fellowship as well, of course, it's a wonderful blessing and what we all want/seek as Christians, and that is what lead me to church in the first place so many years ago.

At the conversion of the Apostle Paul from the Jew's religion, that is when the ministry of reconciliation started and the dispensation of the grace of God, it brought along with it new doctrines from God toward all men, into the world of idolatry. Theology has been in the world long before Christianity. The first theologian's words, "Yea, hath God said?"

 

[Honey_Bee]

Peacherfortruth

I spoke about the system of denominationalism, and this system is not from God, not of God, not godly, period. Yes, there are many many good people in these houses of worship/businesses of Christian faiths, swallowing poisonous doctrines comingled with a gospel message. And, I will add, these places do wonderful things.

"Knowledge of the truth" is not about arriving at more and more truth through study along with a theological mindset, that practice is actually known as a "form of godliness", which leads people captive with a yoke of bondage to bad doctrines.

Coming to the knowledge of the truth is most definitely the pathway of salvation, the truth of Christ and Him crucified. There is a gospel truth by which we must be saved in this ministry, the ministry of reconciliation, the "preaching of Jesus Christ" according to the revelation of the mystery, for the church the body of Christ. I am very familiar with 2 Tim 2:15 and Romans 12:2 KJV. I'm sorry if you are offended, but I understand... we don't believe the same things.

 

[loyaldisciple]

What is it with you and this "king" thing?

I am simply participating in this discussion, as everyone else is. During a discussion, sometimes generalities are made. You know about that, because you speak in generalities about anyone and everyone that disagrees with YOUR understanding of scripture.

I have never lived in a "black and white" world. I genuinely feel sorry for those that do.

I didn't bring up this "king" thing, It was those you defend that began that charade. And when God's word is printed plain and simple to understand on a page, I do live in that "black and white" world.