Are women allowed to Preach?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Elders may not abuse their delegated authority by taking advantage of their position or assuming lordship over the flock. Their role is to be godly examples and to use Scripture appropriately to deal with spiritual issues. And that is why there was always a plurality of elders in the NT churches, so if one elder was out of line, the others could correct him.

Do elders have the authority to teach wrong doctrine? Not just entirely wrong doctrine, but any wrong doctrine.

Do all believers have the authority to correct an elder if he is teaching wrong doctrine?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Every time I see a focus on authority "first", I see it abused, with a consequent reduction of edification. Every time I see mutual submission and edification put "first", the "hierarchy" becomes a non-issue.

That immunizes the authority class against correction by the rank and file.

 

[Dino246]

... This would help the rank and file to get a proper grasp of Bible truth.

That immunizes the authority class against correction by the rank and file.

The reference to Christians as "rank and file" rankles me. In general use, the phrase is somewhat demeaning and perpetuates the idea that some are better than others. Is there a more edifying way to refer to Christians who are not among those with Ephesians 4 gifts?

For that matter, are there any not so gifted? The verse says, "He gave some..." so I'm inclined to believe that some are "not". However, that's a matter for another thread. This one has gotten far enough off the rails already.

 

[jaybird88]

I welcome to you back up this slander with evidence... not merely your opinion.

according to him, his opinions are equal to the holy scriptures.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The reference to Christians as "rank and file" rankles me. In general use, the phrase is somewhat demeaning and perpetuates the idea that some are better than others. Is there a more edifying way to refer to Christians who are not among those with Ephesians 4 gifts?

What's funny is that I didn't even read that in his comment and used those same words to illustrate the contempt and disrespect people in authority tend to have for those they rule over.

 

[jaybird88]

I have just seen a documentary about the role of women in the early church. It focused on three in particular mentioned in the
Gospels Mary Magdalene, Johanna and Salome. It was very interesting. In Israel there is a large tomb hewn from rock that was used by an early Church congregation. It was stated that it was the oldest known church in Israel. On a wall there is a prayer in Greek to Salome asking for the healing of a sick member of the Church. Also in some Catacombs a late fourth century mural has be discovered depicting a Female Bishop with the Gospels and the Holy Spirits fire descending on her. According to the programe some congregations had female Bishops until a Pope ordered them to stop ordaining them. It was stated that Constantine was responsible for stopping women from being in active roles because he wanted a powerful masculine church in order to push his political programes through.

there are tons of traditions that Mary Magdalene had a leading role in the early church after Jesus ascended. Jesus thought a great deal on her, enough to place her in His inner circle. very strange Jesus would do that being as those women are not even allowed to talk.

 

[nddreamer]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God chose a woman to prophesy or teach. Nowhere in the Bible does it say our Lord Jesus chose a woman to prophesy or teach. The one place in the Bible where a woman tried to assume authority, she was turned into a leper (Num. 12:10). In the Bible, leprosy is not considered a disease or illness. It is called being unclean.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God chose a woman to prophesy or teach.

Perhaps you've overlooked a few things. It's a bit inconvenient for your theory that the wife of Isaiah was also a prophetess. Deborah was a prophet and Judge of Israel.



Judges 4

4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided.

6 She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead them up to Mount Tabor.

7 I will lead Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’”

8 Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”

9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh.

 

[Locutus]

Acts 2:17 “ ‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Acts 2:18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy

I guess the daughters and women had a gag order imposed after Peter quoted Joel.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God chose a woman to prophesy or teach.

2 Kings 22

14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Akbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophet Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the New Quarter.


Whoops! I guess God didn't get the memo

 

[lightbearer]

2 Kings 22

14 Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Akbor, Shaphan and Asaiah went to speak to the prophet Huldah, who was the wife of Shallum son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. She lived in Jerusalem, in the New Quarter.

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.(Jdg 4:4 KJV)
Not only a Prophet but a Judge.


PS I just seen you already posted this...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And to think, a female judge of Israel and female prophets were just shadows of the reality in Christ.

 

[nddreamer]

Perhaps you've overlooked a few things. It's a bit inconvenient for your theory that the wife of Isaiah was also a prophetess. Deborah was a prophet and Judge of Israel.


Judges 4

4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.

5 She held court under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim, and the Israelites went up to her to have their disputes decided.

6 She sent for Barak son of Abinoam from Kedesh in Naphtali and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel, commands you: ‘Go, take with you ten thousand men of Naphtali and Zebulun and lead them up to Mount Tabor.

7 I will lead Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his troops to the Kishon River and give him into your hands.’”

8 Barak said to her, “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.”

9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh.

The God of Israel commanded who to go? Deborah was used to send Barak. Jael was also a tool. Barak was sent. Whatever else occurred was ancillary.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The God of Israel commanded who to go? Deborah was used to send Barak. Jael was also a tool. Barak was sent. Whatever else occurred was ancillary.

She was a prophet nonetheless and she wasn't the only one. The Lord uses women too, get over it.

 

[lightbearer]

The God of Israel commanded who to go? Deborah was used to send Barak. Jael was also a tool. Barak was sent. Whatever else occurred was ancillary.

Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.


She was a Judge. You do understand what that means right?

 

[lightbearer]

She was a prophet nonetheless and she wasn't the only one. The Lord uses women too,

Right

get over it.

Striving for contention are ya.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

RightStriving for contention are ya.

Why are you saying that?

 

[preacher4truth]

It's entertaining, this pitting Scripture against clear NT doctrine concerning women's role. "Hey, wait, Deborah!" "Hey, wait, there was a deaconess (not really) in Acts!"

 

[Dino246]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God chose a woman to prophesy or teach. Nowhere in the Bible does it say our Lord Jesus chose a woman to prophesy or teach.

2 Kings 22:14-15 So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe (...); and they spoke to her. She said to the, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel, 'Tell the man who sent you to me, this says the LORD...'"

Luke 2:36 And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher....

Acts 21:8-9 On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him. Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses.

Does the Bible literally say, "God chose a woman to prophesy..."? No. However, He did so, without declaring that He did so. Further, while Jesus didn't directly "choose a woman to teach" as such, He did choose a woman to bear witness in Samaria, and two women as the first witnesses of His resurrection. Paul recognized the greater ministry of Prisca (Priscilla), naming her before her husband Aquila in several places. None of these women were trying to assume authority.

Methinks you haven't been reading closely enough, or have been wearing the blinders of tradition.

 

[Locutus]