Are women allowed to Preach?

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Loyaldisciple you mean to tell me you can't handle sarcasm ? I will note too that I have never said you were not guided by the Holy Spirit as you have about me . I have not insulted you , I have not agreed with you and you have an issue with those who don't.

Maybe you need a break from CC for a while ? at any rate you have a nice day.
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I will stick my neck out and let it get chopped off too - LOL!

I believe that Scripture is as clear as can be: women should not be preaching in a church setting. Now I am not going to try to defend or explain my view here. It seems there has been enough wrangling on the issue and it has been tackled and hassled from every angle on this thread. I just take scripture for what it says - and context surely does have an important part of good interpretation - but what I have seen here and on other threads is people using context to explain away things they don't like or that fit into their neat cultural ideas about Christianity.
 
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I will stick my neck out and let it get chopped off too - LOL!

I believe that Scripture is as clear as can be: women should not be preaching in a church setting. Now I am not going to try to defend or explain my view here. It seems there has been enough wrangling on the issue and it has been tackled and hassled from every angle on this thread. I just take scripture for what it says - and context surely does have an important part of good interpretation - but what I have seen here and on other threads is people using context to explain away things they don't like or that fit into their neat cultural ideas about Christianity.
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Chester God bless you too. it is ok you believe that :) you could read 1cor 11 and explain how come women can pray and Phropheises in the church setting ? then have to be quiet in chapter 14?
 
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Chester God bless you too. it is ok you believe that :) you could read 1cor 11 and explain how come women can pray and Phropheises in the church setting ? then have to be quiet in chapter 14?
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LOL! Who said I Cor. 11 is the "church setting"? More context issues . . .
 
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Here is just a partial list of the things you and your little "hit squad" has called me on these pages.

Demonic spammer
Arrogant
Bully
Misogynist
Legalist
Pharisee
Dictator
Deceitful
Lucifer

All because I showed you verses in the Bible proving women are not to be preaching in the church. A truth in scripture you do not wish to accept. So you lash out at the messenger and now you claim somebody has been nasty to YOU ? You need to pull your head out of the sand woman and see what's really taken place here.
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Now now you have been insulting too. let's not be untruthful and play the victim card ok. You called people here false teachers because they do not agree with you, they called you arrogant after doing so. you told many with Sarcasim " go figure" and if you were led by the Holy Spirit and many other rude comments. You got back what you sown.

You may not know this but many will disagree with you and that is Ok. So relax and chill out as I will ask all to do the same ok. And it is my opinon you are wrong biblically :)
 
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LOL! Who said I Cor. 11 is the "church setting"? More context issues . . .
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lets read it and let other and the word speak for it's self shall we :)

1cor 11: 1-5

2Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3But I want you to know that Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23; Col. 1:18; 2:19the head of every man is Christ, Gen. 3:16; (Eph. 5:23)the head of woman is man, and the John 14:28head of Christ is God. 4Every man praying or 1 Cor. 12:10prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5

Notices it says Brethern( a fellow believer,) and to remember the what ? " Tradtions "( a giving over which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc.) that was delievered to them .

who is the them ?

the "Church".

Now that we do know Paul is writing to the "Church " he says to the men and women in veres 4-5

Every man praying or prophesying, ( speaking under the inspiation) having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

 is the the home setting? Paul is speaking about? Nope

verse 5:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth(speaking under the inspiration) with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

 was this in the home Paul; we speaking about? Nope .

the truth is this; was Paul providing instruction to the Church and what was to be done in chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14.

in chapter 11 he covers :

Head Coverings
Conduct at the Lord’s Supper
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
Unity and Diversity in One Body

 all was done in the church setting was it not?
you suggest i have context issues not that it was an insult , but please show me where it is not a church setting in context to chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14 .




 
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LOL Ok then you show me were it is not?
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You begin with a premise: that this is the church setting: and then ask me to prove that it not the church setting.

I begin with an open mind to take everything that Paul says at face value.
 
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You begin with a premise: that this is the church setting: and then ask me to prove that it not the church setting.

I begin with an open mind to take everything that Paul says at face value.
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I have an open mind too please don't assume I do not however, the chapter are very clear.
 
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You begin with a premise: that this is the church setting: and then ask me to prove that it not the church setting.

I begin with an open mind to take everything that Paul says at face value.
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I did not begin with any premise :

Paul did :)

read it :
ets read it and let other and the word speak for it's self shall we :)

1cor 11: 1-5

2Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3But I want you to know that Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23; Col. 1:18; 2:19the head of every man is Christ, Gen. 3:16; (Eph. 5:23)the head of woman is man, and the John 14:28head of Christ is God. 4Every man praying or 1 Cor. 12:10prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5

Notices it says Brethern( a fellow believer,) and to remember the what ? " Tradtions "( a giving over which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc.) that was delievered to them .

who is the them ?

the "Church".

Now that we do know Paul is writing to the "Church " he says to the men and women in veres 4-5

Every man praying or prophesying, ( speaking under the inspiation) having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

is the the home setting? Paul is speaking about? Nope

verse 5:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth(speaking under the inspiration) with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

was this in the home Paul; we speaking about? Nope .

the truth is this; was Paul providing instruction to the Church and what was to be done in chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14.

in chapter 11 he covers :

Head Coverings
Conduct at the Lord’s Supper
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
Unity and Diversity in One Body

all was done in the church setting was it not?
you suggest i have context issues not that it was an insult , but please show me where it is not a church setting in context to chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14 .


 
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lets read it and let other and the word speak for it's self shall we :)

1cor 11: 1-5

2Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3But I want you to know that Eph. 1:22; 4:15; 5:23; Col. 1:18; 2:19the head of every man is Christ, Gen. 3:16; (Eph. 5:23)the head of woman is man, and the John 14:28head of Christ is God. 4Every man praying or 1 Cor. 12:10prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5

Notices it says Brethern( a fellow believer,) and to remember the what ? " Tradtions "( a giving over which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc.) that was delievered to them .

who is the them ?

the "Church".

Now that we do know Paul is writing to the "Church " he says to the men and women in veres 4-5

Every man praying or prophesying, ( speaking under the inspiation) having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

 is the the home setting? Paul is speaking about? Nope

verse 5:
But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth(speaking under the inspiration) with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

 was this in the home Paul; we speaking about? Nope .

the truth is this; was Paul providing instruction to the Church and what was to be done in chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14.

in chapter 11 he covers :

Head Coverings
Conduct at the Lord’s Supper
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
Unity and Diversity in One Body

 all was done in the church setting was it not?
you suggest i have context issues not that it was an insult , but please show me where it is not a church setting in context to chapter 11, 12, 13, and 14 .
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Sorry, I don't bite at your incorrect use of context (my opinion, of course)! :)

"who is the them?" it is the brethren (True the brethren are also "the church", but they are also my "brothers" all the time)

"is the the home setting? Paul is speaking about? Nope" Where do you get your "nope" answer? LOL!

"was this in the home Paul; we speaking about? Nope ." (You ask this again about verse 5) Verse 5 gives a clear Scriptural truth that applies to all believing women. Is he talking about the home? Yep (unless he says he isn't) Is he talking about the church? Yep (unless he says he isn't)

"in chapter 11 he covers :
Head Coverings
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Conduct at the Lord’s Supper
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Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
​
Unity and Diversity in One Body

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all was done in the church setting was it not? "

Your rhetorical question (a common ploy her on CC! :eek:) at the end does nothing at all to help your argument.

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So as you may guess by my answers my wife wears a head covering of some kind whenever she prays or prophesies whether in a church setting, or in the home, or in the world.

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Let me try your tactic: (Let's see - I don't want to evangelize, so how can I get out of it? . . .)

In Matthew 28:18-20 - the Great Commission - Who is Jesus talking to? the 12 disciples of course !
So he wanted the disciples to go out into all the world and evangelize - but it doesn't apply to us because we are not the 12 disciples!


Your biggest error with context is coming at it backwards: You assume the text applies only to the church setting, and then ask me to prove otherwise. If it applies only to the church setting, show me where Paul says this?
 
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I have an open mind too please don't assume I do not however, the chapter are very clear.
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Now I didn't say that you do not have an open mind, did I?

In fact, my opinion of course, that you are probably the most open minded person on CC. Also you are not afraid to say what you think - and can say it in a kind, forceful kind of way - No wonder you make a good moderator!

It's fun debating with you! Wish that could be said for all on here! (Me included, :rolleyes: I have a lot to learn!)

Note: When I say "I have a lot to learn" I mean I need to learn better how to relate to others. I don't mean that I have anything at all to learn about OSAS! LOL! :p

I have to go now - Have a great day!
 
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I did not begin with any premise :

Paul did :)

read it :
ets read it and let other and the word speak for it's self shall we :)
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The only place I have seen that I Cor. 11:1-16 to apply only in the church setting is in outlines of the book of I Corinthians produced by man.

Somehow we got off the thread - this thread is not about head coverings! LOL!
 
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Now I didn't say that you do not have an open mind, did I?

In fact, my opinion of course, that you are probably the most open minded person on CC. Also you are not afraid to say what you think - and can say it in a kind, forceful kind of way - No wonder you make a good moderator!

It's fun debating with you! Wish that could be said for all on here! (Me included, :rolleyes: I have a lot to learn!)

Note: When I say "I have a lot to learn" I mean I need to learn better how to relate to others. I don't mean that I have anything at all to learn about OSAS! LOL! :p

I have to go now - Have a great day!
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LOL hahahahah

Hey my Friend you did not answer my question .
 
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The only place I have seen that I Cor. 11:1-16 to apply only in the church setting is in outlines of the book of I Corinthians produced by man.

Somehow we got off the thread - this thread is not about head coverings! LOL!
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LOL ahahahha Oh my Now I know you have omitted defeat lol. Nice try to deflect Produced by man LOL funny,
 
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Sorry, I don't bite at your incorrect use of context (my opinion, of course)! :)

"who is the them?" it is the brethren (True the brethren are also "the church", but they are also my "brothers" all the time)

"is the the home setting? Paul is speaking about? Nope" Where do you get your "nope" answer? LOL!

"was this in the home Paul; we speaking about? Nope ." (You ask this again about verse 5) Verse 5 gives a clear Scriptural truth that applies to all believing women. Is he talking about the home? Yep (unless he says he isn't) Is he talking about the church? Yep (unless he says he isn't)

"in chapter 11 he covers :
Head Coverings
​
Conduct at the Lord’s Supper
​
Spiritual Gifts: Unity in Diversity
​
Unity and Diversity in One Body

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all was done in the church setting was it not? "

Your rhetorical question (a common ploy her on CC! :eek:) at the end does nothing at all to help your argument.

​
So as you may guess by my answers my wife wears a head covering of some kind whenever she prays or prophesies whether in a church setting, or in the home, or in the world.

​
Let me try your tactic: (Let's see - I don't want to evangelize, so how can I get out of it? . . .)

In Matthew 28:18-20 - the Great Commission - Who is Jesus talking to? the 12 disciples of course !
So he wanted the disciples to go out into all the world and evangelize - but it doesn't apply to us because we are not the 12 disciples!


Your biggest error with context is coming at it backwards: You assume the text applies only to the church setting, and then ask me to prove otherwise. If it applies only to the church setting, show me where Paul says this?
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I see you are filabustering , to the Biblical verses and Chapters asked of you. I do not assume 1Corinthians is wrttien to the Church LOL Paul said it in 1cor chapter 1:2 LOL


you did not get the memo?
1cor 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints( will assume he is speaking to both saved men and WOMEN) , with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


I will give you the benefit of doubt you assumed Paul did not address the Church in 1cor 2 cor, Ephesians , Galatians, Colossians 1&2 1 & 2 Thessalonians
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I will give you the benefit of doubt you assumed Paul did not address the Church in 1cor 2 cor, Ephesians , Galatians, Colossians 1&2 1 & 2 Thessalonians
LOL
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LOL! So then all of I Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians, and 1 and 2 Thessalonians "only apply in the church setting, don't they?"
 
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LOL ahahahha Oh my Now I know you have omitted defeat lol. Nice try to deflect Produced by man LOL funny,
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Ha! Yes indeed I have omitted defeat, but I think you have admitted defeat!
 
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LOL! So then all of I Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Colossians, and 1 and 2 Thessalonians "only apply in the church setting, don't they?"
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by this comment I will agree you were shown you are wrong from your comment about adressing the church . and leave the mic on the deck
 
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