Are women allowed to Preach?

[Incognito]

I will stick my neck out and let it get chopped off too - LOL!

I believe that Scripture is as clear as can be: women should not be preaching in a church setting. Now I am not going to try to defend or explain my view here. It seems there has been enough wrangling on the issue and it has been tackled and hassled from every angle on this thread. I just take scripture for what it says - and context surely does have an important part of good interpretation - but what I have seen here and on other threads is people using context to explain away things they don't like or that fit into their neat cultural ideas about Christianity.

As usual *their* Christianity has to"fit into *their* neat cultural ideas about Christianity" which is NOT SPIRITUAL!

GOD PROMISED us a "New Covenant" in which HE PROMISED "...for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.'"

This is a NEW COVENANT PROMISE and if ANY MAN say otherwise the DEFYING the WORD OF GOD.

Blessings

 

[loyaldisciple]

then maybe you should not tell people they do not have the Holy Spirit then huh? when they do not agree with you.

You and many others here simply will never understand. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me and everything to do with agreeing with the Bible. It is the Bible and the verses they should be agreeing with. This is what I've said all along.

 

[Nehemiah6]

GOD PROMISED us a "New Covenant" in which HE PROMISED "...for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.'"

You have pulled a verse TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point. So here is the context from Jeremiah 31:

22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof, when I shall bring again their captivity; The LORD bless thee, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness.

24 And there shall dwell in Judah itself, and in all the cities thereof together, husbandmen, and they that go forth with flocks.

This passage is a prophecy about the land of Judah after the Lord has redeemed and restored Israel and applied the New Covenant to Israel after the second coming of Christ.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. (v 27)

This prophecy has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church or the churches.

 

[loyaldisciple]

You have pulled a verse TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point. So here is the context from Jeremiah 31:

22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof, when I shall bring again their captivity; The LORD bless thee, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness.

24 And there shall dwell in Judah itself, and in all the cities thereof together, husbandmen, and they that go forth with flocks.

This passage is a prophecy about the land of Judah after the Lord has redeemed and restored Israel and applied the New Covenant to Israel after the second coming of Christ.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. (v 27)

This prophecy has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church or the churches.

I agree Nehemiah. Does it ever cease to amaze you how some people can always find a way to twist the Bible to fit their own way of thinking ? I think their motto is "why conform to the Bible, when I can have the Bible to conform to me" ?

 

[Incognito]

You have pulled a verse TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT to prove your point. So here is the context from Jeremiah 31:

22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof, when I shall bring again their captivity; The LORD bless thee, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness.

24 And there shall dwell in Judah itself, and in all the cities thereof together, husbandmen, and they that go forth with flocks.

This passage is a prophecy about the land of Judah after the Lord has redeemed and restored Israel and applied the New Covenant to Israel after the second coming of Christ.

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. (v 27)

This prophecy has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church or the churches.

Everyone is looking for the "Second Coming of Christ" when HE came the "Second time" although not for ALL eyes to "SEE" as mentioned in Acts 1:11. In John 14:18 JESUS SAID "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" and "fulfilled" HIS PROMISE as evidenced in Acts 1:2 and Acts 2:2.

Romans 2:28-29 says "But he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew which is inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not of the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of GOD."

Consequently, WE ARE "the House of Israel and of Judah," and Jeremiah 31:22 is speaking to us TODAY otherwise we are NOT under the NEW COVENANT as PROMISED in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

 

[Incognito]

I agree Nehemiah. Does it ever cease to amaze you how some people can always find a way to twist the Bible to fit their own way of thinking ? I think their motto is "why conform to the Bible, when I can have the Bible to conform to me" ?

Everyone is looking for the "Second Coming of Christ" when HE came the "Second time" although not for ALL eyes to "SEE" as mentioned in Acts 1:11. In John 14:18 JESUS SAID "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" and "fulfilled" HIS PROMISE as evidenced in Acts 1:2 and Acts 2:2.

Romans 2:28-29 says "But he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew which is inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not of the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of GOD."

Consequently, WE ARE "the House of Israel and of Judah," and Jeremiah 31:22 is speaking to us TODAY otherwise we are NOT under the NEW COVENANT as PROMISED in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

 

[plainguy]

A man can love his wife just fine and treat her with great respect and at the same time not want her to become any pastor and go against the word of God. If he does love her, then he will influence her to follow God and not to disobey Him.

I'm not certain that preaching a message of God's love and hope in Christ is the same thing as being a pastor ... as per the OP's question ... "Are women allowed to preach" ? Are they allowed to preach in your opinion ?

 

[Dino246]

I agree Nehemiah. Does it ever cease to amaze you how some people can always find a way to twist the Bible to fit their own way of thinking ? I think their motto is "why conform to the Bible, when I can have the Bible to conform to me" ?

You write garbage like this and then claim that you've "only posted Scripture" and whine "why is everybody picking on me".

smh...

 

[AuntieAnt]

Everyone is looking for the "Second Coming of Christ" when HE came the "Second time" although not for ALL eyes to "SEE" as mentioned in Acts 1:11. In John 14:18 JESUS SAID "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" and "fulfilled" HIS PROMISE as evidenced in Acts 1:2 and Acts 2:2.

Romans 2:28-29 says "But he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew which is inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not of the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of GOD."

Consequently, WE ARE "the House of Israel and of Judah," and Jeremiah 31:22 is speaking to us TODAY otherwise we are NOT under the NEW COVENANT as PROMISED in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Good morning, precious sister!

As I shared with you in my email regarding Jim Minker (The Shovel) and Lloyd Ellefson (The Good Seed), your posts reflect the same amazing liberty in Christ as these precious godly men declared.

What you'll come up against on this forum is exactly what Jim Minker wrote about. He said:

"There is nothing more pitiful than a believer who comes to view himself by his accomplishments in the flesh. And this is exactly where many, many believers are struggling right now!

But Christ brought with Him GOOD NEWS. This is the life from which we have been delivered, for we are found in HIS righteousness. The thing that leads believers into a life of sin is the very thing they use to try to remove themselves from it. And that is a life built upon principles and laws and rules. It all sounds so wonderfully godly, but it is the very same life that has led humanity into its downward spiral - for the further one falls, the more one judges those around him as being worthy of condemnation."

Believers who have built their religious house upon religious principles and rules won't do down (humble themselves) without a fight because they cannot overcome their own flesh mindset by their own flesh mindset. It takes the miracle of God's grace to break through when they finally come to the end of themselves. It looks like pride on the outside, when in fact, it's fear and doubt in what God has actually done. Afraid of missing the mark, afraid of a God they don’t understand, afraid of going to hell for screwing up. They are conditioned by religious rules and regulations of every denomination and of every sort.

Never mind that no two people on this entire site are in religious agreement. It hasn’t hit home to many that the kingdom of God is an unseen realm. Therefore they have to justify everything by their own reasoning. And again, no two people on this site can agree exactly what that reasoning is.

As Lloyd Ellefson wrote:

“This brings man to a dilemma. How can we ever be just when we've done so many wrong things? Our confusion is due to the reasonings of our mind which say that this is impossible! Our concept of humility requires us to constantly affirm that we are still sinners. Justification in Christ is in complete contradiction to that kind of humility. True humility sets aside the reasonings of the mind and believes what God has said! So when God justifies us, and says that we have been made just by the Blood of Jesus Christ, are we going to believe what God says or what our feelings tell us? Or what we’ve been conditioned to believe? Whose word will we accept? Faith needs to get hold of our thoughts, otherwise we'll be lost in the complexity of unbelief. Since it is God who has said it, we need to believe it!”

Grace and peace to you, sister Incognito! :::hugs:::

 

[Nehemiah6]

Consequently, WE ARE "the House of Israel and of Judah," and Jeremiah 31:22 is speaking to us TODAY otherwise we are NOT under the NEW COVENANT as PROMISED in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

More nonsense from you Incognito. The Church is NOT the house of Israel and Judah. You claim to be a prophet, but you have no clue about what the Bible teaches regarding the Church and Israel.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

More nonsense from you Incognito. The Church is NOT the house of Israel and Judah. You claim to be a prophet, but you have no clue about what the Bible teaches regarding the Church and Israel.

have not seen that post where she claims to be a prophet?

why then does she have 'unsure' for spiritual status on her profile?

this place has the 'privelege' of all sorts of 'prophets' joining lately

does say saved in 2012

 

[7seasrekeyed]

never mind. I did see it

YES! I've been baptized by the Holy Spirit and "chosen" as a prophet. I've been given "revelations" in HIS WORD and they continue! I'm here to share with ALL but only "a few" will actually "hear" because "revelations" don't align with mainstream Christianity!

"He that hath ears, let him hear!"

in fact responded...baptism thread

explains the firey delivery I guess. sigh

things don't line up with the word for sure

 

[CS1]

You and many others here simply will never understand. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me and everything to do with agreeing with the Bible. It is the Bible and the verses they should be agreeing with. This is what I've said all along.

And your understanding of the bible is not authoritative sir, the scriptures do agree amen. However, you too will never fully understand all. You have not arrived, and if you showed, some more humility then many would listen to you instead of being condescending

women can preach and nothing you have said in the word of God sayes other wise. you use one verse in the Bible from 1cor 14 to say women are not to say anything . Yet overlook in the same letter which is to be contextulized as units with chapters 11,12, 13, 14 or 11, 12, and 13. You read the veres yet missed the full context because you circled around the one verse while not seeing the whole chapters.

example One person said That 1cor was not written the church and I had assumed that BUt

chapter one underscore that truth. This was written the church.

in chapter 11 it says women who pray and Prophesies how they are to do so in the church setting. But that was trumped by one verse in chapter 14. LOl

what is it? women are to be silent or can they pray and Prophesies? the instructions for both are correct . If they are not praying or Prophesying they are to be silent just as the men are too. 1cor 14:40 is to all

A man can no more interrupted a service then women. This is why we have so many abuse issues in the church and control freaks, and divorces. Order and discipline is needed in every service as Paul was given instruction to write to the Church in Corinth. To both men and women. The issues that were happening in Corinth are were defined in the chapter’s.

Chapter 11,12, 13, and 14 are known as unit chapter’s THE CONTEXT DOES NOT STOP IN 1COR 14: 34-35
YOU HAVE TO READ before it and after those verses. Then you have to ask what is the authorial intent?
Who was he speaking to?
What was the time frame it was said in?
And How do I apply it today?

Yes women are not to speak during a church services but they can pray and they can preach as chapter 11 points out instruction to women who are praying and prophesying.

Biblical sense and what is done properly; when a women is out of order as a man you the decacons / elders are to silence them. maybe if more were open to correcting instead of controling we would have more women being submissive.

I have been married 27 years to one wife , she can preach , and teach , and I have many women who have taught me and preached and GOd confrimed the "Word" people were saved, healed, and delievered. THe Holy Spirit will not be a part of foolishness. And women are used by God

they preach : women at the well ,
they testified he rose from the Dead
they were in the upper room on the day of Pentacost
and many other Biblical accounts .

FYI women are the Husbands help meet. Created by God and as a sister they have the Holy Ghost who will use them as HE chooses to do so according to 1cor 12.

 

[Incognito]

More nonsense from you Incognito. The Church is NOT the house of Israel and Judah. You claim to be a prophet, but you have no clue about what the Bible teaches regarding the Church and Israel.

Where do YOU think "the house of Israel and Judah" is? Where do YOU think "The Church" is? In a country? In a building?

LISTEN TO WHAT "JESUS SAID!:"

THERE IS "ONE SELFSAME SPIRIT, DIVIDING TO *EVERY MAN* SEVERALLY AS HE WILL. FOR AS THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH *MANY* MEMBERS, AND *ALL* THE MEMBERS OF THAT ONE BODY, BEING *MANY*, ARE ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST!"

 

[Nehemiah6]

Where do YOU think "the house of Israel and Judah" is? Where do YOU think "The Church" is? In a country? In a building?

Incognito,

You have two options: (1) continue claiming to be a prophet and continue posting your false ideas about what is in Scripture (for which you will give account) or (2) honestly admit that you have no clue and that you would like to know the truth.

I will be more that happy to explain where the houses of Israel and Judah are and where the Church is if you are willing to learn.

Since I did not say that the Church is a brick and mortar building, we can address the Church being presented as a Building also.

 

[AuntieAnt]

It’s not surprising that folks are stuck in their own understanding of the scriptures. They are trying to reason with their intellect, which is impossible to do. No man can see or understand God with their own understanding. You see God when you surrender your mind to Him and the Spirit of Christ is alive in you.

“If you’ve seen Me, you’ve seen the Father.”

The bible is to point to Christ. If you are Christ’s, He directs you by His Spirit now. You live in the unseen realm now. The Word would be alive in your heart, and He would bring Himself to your remembrance. He is the Law fulfilled, and when He calls you, you follow Him. There won’t be any doubt or wavering about it. No more trying to follow rules and regulations. God would rule your heart. God glorifies Himself through His own.

I posted this on another thread, but it applies here as well:

I don’t even concern myself with anything other than the Spirit of Jesus Christ. I don’t have any faith in what anyone believes, and certainly don't have any faith in what I believe. Whatever Christ believes, I believe Him.

In fact, what choice have I got? It’s not like I decided to come to God on my own and decided to live holy. Christ called me, He broke my carnal mind, He redeemed me, He took over my life, He renewed me, He goes before me, He makes the way, He made me His own, He guides my every step. He is Lord, I believe Him. He doesn't need my help to make me follow Him. He made me love Him because He proved Himsef loving and faithful.

I had about as much choice to follow God as Paul (when he was Saul) did when the Holy Spirit got a hold of him on the road to Damascus. Or King Nebuchadnezzar, when God put a stop to his carnal thinking and showed that king who was Lord. Or Lazarus when he was dead and Jesus said, “Come forth.” I had no choice. God called me forth and showed me He was Lord.

The Lord set me free of trying to figure out who He is, of what rules I have to follow, what doctrine I have to believe, what I have to do to keep being holy, etc. Why worry? He said, "Rest. Be still. I will take care of it." Jesus is Lord of my life and that’s all the matters now.

Is God the Lord of your life? Has He called you forth out of your dead thinking? If He is Lord, you don’t have to worry about what to think or believe. You can trust and rest in Him that He is able to keep you. If you are worrying, if your eyes are on the seen (world) and not the unseen (Spirit), if you are restless and doubt that God is in control, you will continue to try to control yourself and others. Because your faith won't be in God, it'll be in yourself and humanity.

 

[Incognito]

Hello my dear Sister in Christ:

I am familiar with secular Christianity and their "Trinitarian" beliefs of the Holy Eucharist or it's equivalent and water baptism although JESUS PROMISED that HE would "fulfill" (Matthew 5:17-18) BOTH [and DID] which were actions done UNDER THE LAW.

The "Good News" is just "TOO GOOD" for those who have been taught LEGALISM! "The Gospel of Christ" is "The Gospel of Spirit" for it is "THE SPIRIT" that "works in us" (Philippians 2:13) AFTER THE CROSS and they seem to IGNORE that "There is NOTHING done in the flesh that pleases GOD" (Romans 8:8).

Acts 17:23-25 says "For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye IGNORANTLY worship, HIM declare I unto you. GOD that made the world and all things therein, seeing that HE is LORD of heaven and earth, dwelleth NOT in temples made with hands, Neither is worshiped with men's hands, AS THOUGH HE NEEDED ANY THING, seeing HE giveth to all life, and breath, and all things."

Now what can their "works" [which they call "obedience"] and are NOT "produced by the Holy Spirit" do for GOD?

I'd like to remind that WHAT GOD SAID:

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[TD="class: passage-col col-xs-12 first last"][FONT=&quot]10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

"BURN!" ALL OF IT WILL "BURN" INCLUDING THEIR BAPTISMAL POOLS AND THE TABLES THEY SET UP!

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[Incognito]

More nonsense from you Incognito. The Church is NOT the house of Israel and Judah. You claim to be a prophet, but you have no clue about what the Bible teaches regarding the Church and Israel.

WE ARE "ALL" ONLY "ONE SPIRIT" NO MATTER WHO OR WHERE (I CORINTHIANS 12:11-12)!

"STUDY" (II TIMOTHY 2:15)!

 

[AuntieAnt]

You and many others here simply will never understand. It has nothing to do with agreeing with me and everything to do with agreeing with the Bible. It is the Bible and the verses they should be agreeing with. This is what I've said all along.

Posting scripture to try and validate a belief in scripture is like posting hieroglyphics to validate your belief in hieroglyphics. God cannot be understood by a flesh nature that’s devoid of God. All our intellectual minds can do is grope around in darkness for anything that seems to temporarily fill the void in our carnal mind. Those of us made alive in Christ are no longer groping for God because his Spirit has been put within us. When we listen to the religious spirits of this world which claims to believe God, we find ourselves trusting in our intellectual approach to the knowledge of God. But we can only know the nature of God by His Spirit alive in us. It is spiritual, supernatural, something God does within us. Not we ourselves. Not something we can intellectually (carnally) figure out. God proves Himself. Without knowledge of God, you are left with your faith in your belief of your belief.

 

[Tommy379]

It's funny how Pontiac wrote the same things as Lloyd. Then Pontiac even complains to Robo's visitor page, about the same complaints as Lloyd. Pontiac closes account, ant the same time loyaldeciple appears. Taking the same position, writing the same post. Hmmmm.