Why do you seek to undermine the authority of Gods word?
Take Paul's advice to Timothy.
2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
I do not mean to be unkind but you are on a path that is unwise. Instead of seeking a hermeneutic that supports what you want from scripture take scripture and simply obey it. Some of the places you have been and some of the men you are reading are absolutely terrible and outright enemies of the truth.
Your desire to be a pastor is good but you need to wait on God and not plow ahead on your own.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This particular subject is not a stupid question. If you think that it is and you don't think it deserves a response in accordance with 2 Tim 2:23 then don't respond.
I agree with you on 2 Tim 2:23 and it may be that since you cannot present a better hermeneutic you are falling into the sin giving in to desire to hate, or vent. When that happens you should step away from the conversation. Learn how to present your hermeneutic without attacking the integrity of anyone who does not agree with your views. You have been told this many times but you keep doing it. If you can't do that you should avoid the discussion.
If you can contribute to understanding the verse in question with a good spirit to help people then do so. If you are just responding in a spirit of " Your stupid if you don't agree with me and you don't know God and can't understand the bible" then this is a sin of striving. You are in the flesh. You should indeed avoid the conversation.
The reason that the question comes up so often and will continue to do so is that people who study the bible realize that this classic interpretation that a woman cannot be a pastor or teach the bible when men are in the room is not found in the bible. They wonder where it came from and why it has persisted this far past the reformation.
Discussing the scriptures where the ideas came from is of great benefit to all those who engage in the discussion with a sincere heart to know what the bible really says.
I think what has become obvious to many people by bringing it up on CC over and over again through the years is that the scriptures that people had always thought taught that a woman can't be a pastor don't use those words. They realize that the verses used are not as verbose as their pastors and denominations lead them to believe.
When we have these discussions and people present their hermeneutics (rules of interpretations or methods of interpretations) then it is often discovered by those who are intellectually honest that there are no scriptures that say a woman cannot be a pastor of a church. It is a conclusion based on three main verses.
2 Tim 2:12 suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man
1 Cor 14:34 silent in the church and subjection to husbands
And the 1 Tim 3:2-12 and Titus 1:6 husband of one wife, ruling children well verses
When we discuss them many often realize that a tremendous amount of "speculation" has been added and read in between the lines and that these verses were not even dealing with the question. No one had asked the question. It was not part of the conversation.
Roger, you keep mentioning "Speculation" but many of us wonder why you don't notice that your own views include speculations that are not in the text.
Why is it that your speculations are not speculations but other peoples speculations are speculations. LOL
For example.
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
One explanation which I think matches the context is that he is saying that they should ask their husbands at home and not interrupt or cause disorder. I am
speculating based on the text but nevertheless it is a conclusion based on logic and context.
You would accused me of
Speculation.
You would say that he meant that women should not speak in the pulpit. This is also
speculation on your part sense that is not what he said and you have made a conclusion that frankly is not even related to the context and ignores the reference about asking questions of their husbands as if it is not even connected to the admonition to be silent in the church. You have instead "wildly" speculated without any support from the text that Paul meant that women cannot speak publicly in the assembly though that is not the words that he said, you are putting words in his mouth. If Paul was referring to the women who were asking questions out of order then you have gone beyond what he intended to say.
Which meaning has more authority based on the context? That Paul was saying women cannot speak publicly in church or that he was saying that they should not disrupt the order with asking questions out of order?
Since there are two other instances in the immediate context of 1 Cor 14 where someone was told to be silent in the church because they were out of order, (tongues without an interpreter and prophesy when it was someone else's turn) then it is strong evidence that the women being told to be silent in the church and ask their husbands at home is in reference to them being out of order with their asking questions and not a rule against all women speaking publicly in the assembly. And also we know that they did prophesy publicly which is another reason we know that he was not banning women from speaking publicly since it is impossible to prophecy publicly without speaking.
Now therefore to "speculate" that Paul was saying that these women in the Corinthian church who were asking questions out of order were to remain silent in the church and ask their Husbands at home is a logical conclusion based on the entire context.
Your "speculation" however, that Paul was saying the women cannot speak in church is not supported by the context and contradictory to other scriptures such as women prophesying and praying publicly which they did without shame. This "speculation" that women cannot speak publicly in the church based on faulty interpretations has lead to a whole lot of wood hay and stubble being voiced in the name of "God said" when God never said such a thing.
We are both Speculating. Which speculation is supported by the context and the rest of the scriptures is what must be determined.