Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Come on you are not realy believe that Serapis has anything to do with our Lord Jesus.
The story of Serapis is very much like the story of Jesus of Nazareth. They look alike. Serapis was call the good Shepherd. Serapis was born of a virgin. So was Jesus. Christianity adapted the Serapian practices of using lights, bells, vestments, processions, music, etc. Serapis was a sacrificial bull, as Christ was a sacrificial lamb. The early Christians never heard of Jesus. The teachings of Serapis spread to Rome starting in the 3 Century BS.

Before Serapis there was Attis of Phrygian and others.. Heracles for instance is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.
 
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Where then is his body???
I would say, his body is to dust ( after 500 years) not in the grave.
The story of Serapis is very much like the story of Jesus of Nazareth. They look alike. Serapis was call the good Shepherd. Serapis was born of a virgin. So was Jesus. Christianity adapted the Serapian practices of using lights, bells, vestments, processions, music, etc. Serapis was a sacrificial bull, as Christ was a sacrificial lamb. The early Christians never heard of Jesus. The teachings of Serapis spread to Rome starting in the 3 Century BS.

Before Serapis there was Attis of Phrygian and others.. Heracles for instance is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.
You say the early Christians never heared from Jesus? You have been there? To me it sounds that you are spreading false teachings.
 

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Are you sayin God is contradictin himself? It's a yes or no question.
GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the reply, second, Nope jusy you and a few other who rebell aganist God's Holy Word in ignorance.
What I think you are doin is a form of Whataboutism and logical fallacy. God said what he said and injectin scripture that ain't germane to the discussion does nothing to refute the direct and clear words of Almighty God.
what you, nor I think is important, only God word with HIS WISDOM, and not ours, and that's the problem.
Your argument is not with the Chef or any member member of this fine forum, your argument is will God hisself. The Chef would advise you to speak with the Good Lord about this and then let the Chef know what you learned.

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
This is exacity the ignorance I speak of. you even have it highlighted, and you still don't understand, look at what you did, "let them ask their husbands at home"what kind of WOMAN have Husbands? thank you ... "a WIFE". so the wome here is not EVERY WOMAN in the Church only "WIVES". how hard it this to understand?. only wives have husbands. so the verse is not speaking about all WOMEN, only WIVES. so that right there alone defeat your purpose, and your argument fails.
Paul mentions the law as did Jesus. Jesus said that he did not come to replace the law but to fulfill it. God don't want women yappin in the churches nor does he went them teachin. Them ultra orthodox Jews (them ones with them curls, beards and black hats) don't even allow women into the synagogue.
another ERROR on your part, First the Law, if one is in Christ Jesus then you're not under the Law. for those in Christ Jesus, he is our righteousness. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"
1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

that's what the Law is made for. so you can get off the Law bid. not to understand the Law the Holy Ghost is speaking of by the apostle Paul, is this, Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." this is in direct reference to 1 Timothy 2:15, where it is speaking of "WIVES" also. for the HUSBAND, shall, shall, shall, rule OVER. shall is by permission, when the woman marries the man she allows her husband to lead, or the first to serve. and the husband before he marries a woman he first must be QUALIFIED to "LEAD", or "FIRST to SERVE". understand, Shall Ruler Over and rule is not the same, you might want to study that.

so your argument is from Ignorances. because you do not understand what the Holy Ghost is saying by his apostle.
we suggest you go back and re-read these passages and get UNDERSTANDING, for, as the scriptures states, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." learn how to RIGHTYL DIVID the Word of truth, so that you want be embarrass when you find out that the word "Woman" here means "Wife".

Thanks for your reply,

PICJAG, 101G.
 
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What I think you are doin is a form of Whataboutism and logical fallacy. God said what he said and injectin scripture that ain't germane to the discussion does nothing to refute the direct and clear words of Almighty God.
Which logical fallacy, exactly?
 

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GINOLJC, to all,
First thanks for the reply, second, Nope jusy you and a few other who rebell aganist God's Holy Word in ignorance.

what you, nor I think is important, only God word with HIS WISDOM, and not ours, and that's the problem.

This is exacity the ignorance I speak of. you even have it highlighted, and you still don't understand, look at what you did, "let them ask their husbands at home"what kind of WOMAN have Husbands? thank you ... "a WIFE". so the wome here is not EVERY WOMAN in the Church only "WIVES". how hard it this to understand?. only wives have husbands. so the verse is not speaking about all WOMEN, only WIVES. so that right there alone defeat your purpose, and your argument fails.

another ERROR on your part, First the Law, if one is in Christ Jesus then you're not under the Law. for those in Christ Jesus, he is our righteousness. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,"
1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

that's what the Law is made for. so you can get off the Law bid. not to understand the Law the Holy Ghost is speaking of by the apostle Paul, is this, Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." this is in direct reference to 1 Timothy 2:15, where it is speaking of "WIVES" also. for the HUSBAND, shall, shall, shall, rule OVER. shall is by permission, when the woman marries the man she allows her husband to lead, or the first to serve. and the husband before he marries a woman he first must be QUALIFIED to "LEAD", or "FIRST to SERVE". understand, Shall Ruler Over and rule is not the same, you might want to study that.

so your argument is from Ignorances. because you do not understand what the Holy Ghost is saying by his apostle.
we suggest you go back and re-read these passages and get UNDERSTANDING, for, as the scriptures states, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." learn how to RIGHTYL DIVID the Word of truth, so that you want be embarrass when you find out that the word "Woman" here means "Wife".

Thanks for your reply,

PICJAG, 101G.
Well stated and I agree!
 
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Yes, we got a free gift, but this means not that the conditions from the OT and NT believer are the same. Would you ask Abraham ore Moses to put there faith in Jesus Christ, they must say : we dont know him.

Of course at the end the OT believer is in eternity like the NT believer. But to say that the OT believer had the Holy Spirit as the NT believer has ir, is not correct.
Abraham may not have known the Name of Jesus . . . he didn't have to. Yes, Abraham believed in the Messiah.

Galatians 3:8 NKJV - "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, [saying], "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

Matthew 1:1 NKJV - "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham . . ."
 
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Yes, we got a free gift, but this means not that the conditions from the OT and NT believer are the same. Would you ask Abraham ore Moses to put there faith in Jesus Christ, they must say : we dont know him.

Of course at the end the OT believer is in eternity like the NT believer. But to say that the OT believer had the Holy Spirit as the NT believer has ir, is not correct.
Abraham & Moses did put their faith in Jesus. They both met him.

Deuteronomy 34
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt – to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel.


"the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward" 1 Samuel 16:13.
 

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It has always been considered by the church to be bad policy to build a doctrine upon one scripture especially when it seems to be at odds with other scriptures.

..... I wish some men would keep silence in church.
Of course you desire to silence God's words below, in promoting a false teaching women can be pastors

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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Which logical fallacy, exactly?
Go back and read the thread.

There ain't no way you can get around what the Good Book says about women not allowed to be yappin in the church and it require logical fallacies and the twistin of scripture to to make the argument or suggest that the Good Lord wants women yappin in the church when scripture tells us that the Lord don't want women yappin in the church nor do he want them teachin and that was the LAW long before the Good Lord begot Jesus. Jesus would agree because he came to fulfill the law not change it.

To refresh your memory here are the guiding scriptures. 1 Timothy 2:12 -14 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. and
1 Corinthians 14:34 Women are to be silent in the churches. They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.

Attackin the Chef will not change the fact that God don't want women yappin in the church.
 

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And Paul commanded the brethren to give them all assistance.
Not assistance in preaching or teaching in the church

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 

Truth7t7

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So sad people don't trust the original versions, instead of all these mistranslated versions. It leads to false doctrines!
Sad to see your rebellion to Gods clear words below.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 

Truth7t7

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"Split personality" is an archaic term, and is not used except in bad TV scripts. The correct term is "multiple personality disorder" and is usually caused by horrific trauma in childhood. "Bipolar disorder" is completely different, and is characterized by alternating phases of depression and mania.

Instead of repeating yourself ad nauseam, how about you do some homework before posting.
The bible explains these disorders as possession by (devils) they didnt have unsaved Sigmund Freuds to look to in fabricated claims :)

Perhaps you need to do a little homework