Are you a Prophet?

convallaria · Sep 7, 2015

I was reading the concordance in regards to prophets. I got a few things that stuck with me. One was that a prophet doesn't Just know God's plan or words, He or she feels them. They become part of their awareness. This can be seen somewhat in the way prophets responded to God's speaking to them. They didn't just say,oh that's nice, they were deeply move emotionally,feel over, couldn't talk. were very troubled,They deeply felt Gods mind and heart. And that what the con. brought out. It is not just a thought.Speaking for myself I feel the God exspans the picture, that prophets see a bigger picture, or the context of the word to be spoken. Another thing, false prophets speak a lot of peace and safety, to trust in your own strength and not in God. To look for the worldly way out. Not always. One thing I read the other day seemed to say that the scripture was" when that which is perfect has come" thus eliminating the gifts. Cor. says that to every member a measure of the gift of Christ is given to profit with all. And this measure of Christ in us that holds us ,grows us together. Faith and hope are surely not done away with and as scripture says if we have what we hope for ,why do we yet hope for it. The scripture is not complete or perfect, it is written the the world could not contain the books needed to tell the whole story. Paul say he runs as not having attained or won already the race set before us.I guess this is where I have a problem with OSAS, not to start anything here.with so many warning about continuing and falling away, But I do feel God won't forsake me, unless I forsake him after ha has given me everything pertaining to godliness.The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit and never can. Our only hope is that the Spirit of God reveals them unto us. And my view is that Christ in other members can minister the grace and gift he has given them to me. That every joint supplieth. The hand cannot say to the eye " I have no need of you" I really see the false gifts abounding in modern Christianity today as a way the truth is evil spoken of and it reminds me of the strong delusion God will send on the earth. And except those day be shortened no one would be saved and as Jesus said when I return will I find faith on earth?

Amen, nicely put: plenty of truth in this post!

convallaria · Sep 7, 2015

crossnote said:

Wrong crossnote! What will you do with this word severally ? Look it up.

Speaking of the gifts: 1 Cor 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

BTW God doesn't take back a gift, so if He has gifted you with prophecy and tongues, He will not swap them for any of the several gifts He may be giving you altogether.

convallaria · Sep 7, 2015

oldthennew said:

Hi oldthennew

Amen a lightbulb moment for sure when we see ourselves as God sees us!!!

And amen again, if we are apostle prophet pastor teacher or evangelist, it is only ever about doing His will, ceasing from our own works to do the work of God.

Re boastfulness, I was trying to get to the bottom of why confidence in the Lord would be misinterpreted as such: any thoughts?

Thanks for input

oldthennew · Sep 7, 2015

convalleria,

confidence holds hands with humility - whereas boastfulness takes confidence in fleshly-self...

Moses, after some years in the Lord was very confident, but then through his frustration with
the children of Israel, he took un-due credit when he smote the Rock....'twice'...
it was all about (him & Aaron), instead of The Lord...

when our Father exalts one and puts them in high-positions with much responsibilities, then they
have to be extremely careful not to take 'credit' for themselves....

undue boasting is a sure sign of 'the big-head' and also would point to a great need to be validated
by men, instead of God.

we are all human and want to be validated by our peers to some degree, some have desires to be
prophets and preachers, and some desire other gifts because they may have a natural propensity
in their nature for those very talents....we do know that our Father will use us as He sees us and
not as we see ourselves....

what is so lovely, is the times when our Father shows us who He sees......
sometimes this can be delightful, because we may tend to under-estimate ourselves,
sometimes we are cast into the pit of humility because we have over-estimated ourselves....

as it is written,
We should not think ourselves above what we are.'
and
as it is not written,
we should not think ourselves below what we are....

chancer · Sep 7, 2015

I definitely agree that there is a significant difference between being prophetic, having a prophesy and carrying the office of a prophet. I am no expert in these matters, but I believe the office is characterised than more than just carrying even a substantial prophetic anointing. I also believe the fruit of the prophet is much more important than self proclaiming that you are a prophet. We shall know them by their fruit and not their titles.

I personally wouldn't claim to be anything. There's a danger in ones identity being founded in ones label.

Thanks for the interesting topic

jb · Sep 7, 2015

Blain said:

Moses made a very interesting and enlightening comment on this subject in Num 11v29:

"...Oh, that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!"

For those interested you might find This short study helpful...

Yahweh Shalom

convallaria · Sep 7, 2015

jb said:

Another great article, thank you!

Blain · Sep 7, 2015

crossnote said:

There are varieties of results, but it is the same God who produces all the results in everyone. To each person has been given the ability to manifest the Spirit for the common good. To one has been given a message of wisdom by the Spirit; to another the ability to speak with knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit; to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit; to another miraculous results; to another prophecy; to another the ability to distinguish between spirits; to another various kinds of languages; and to another the interpretation of languages.
(1Co 12:6-10)

Blain, there is nothing wrong with presenting your members for His service, but to think one day He gives you one gift another day or month another gift and so on is not scriptural. I showed you my position using Scripture, please show me your position using Scripture.

you misunderstand, I said I was wonder card and I suppose I should have been more descriptive. I wasn't trying to say that he will give me other gifts but rather I am willing for him to. Im sorry if I gave the wrong impression

robinriley · Sep 7, 2015

convallaria said:

(Robin)
Proper reference? ... the reference is "(~Robin)" ... this is my own reading of the Byzantine Greek.
As for ["brackets"] ... that's a statement I placed in parenthesis because Paul is constantly making
such aside comments, and it seemed appropriate for me to treat it this way ... we could leave the
so-called "brackets" off, if you like, but the words are still present, there in this verse:

τοὺς ἀποστόλους ἐσχάτους ...to the [ones] {3588 T-APM} to apostles {0652 N-APM} to last [ones] {2078 A-APM-S}

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4:9* Δοκῶ γὰρ ὅτι ὁ θεὸς ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἀποστόλους ἐσχάτους ἀπέδειξεν ὡς ἐπιθανατίους· ὅτι θέατρον
ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ, καὶ ἀγγέλοις, καὶ ἀνθρώποις.

dokO gar hoti ho theos hEmas tous apostolous eschatous apedeixen hOs epithanatious hoti theatron egenEthEmen tO kosmO kai aggelois kai anthrOpois
For I suppose that the God (to us, the last apostles), as to on-deathed [ones], He had away-shown that we had become theater unto the world-system, and unto messengers, and unto humanity.

I suppose {1380 V-PAI-1S} for {1063 CONJ} that {3754 CONJ} the [One] {3588 T-NSM} God {2316 N-NSM} to us {1473 P-1AP} to the [ones] {3588 T-APM} to apostles {0652 N-APM} to last [ones] {2078 A-APM-S} He had away-shown {0584 V-AAI-3S} as {5613 ADV} to on-deathed [ones] {1935 A-APM} that {3754 CONJ} a theater {2302 N-NSN} we had become {1096 V-AOI-1P} unto the [one] {3588 T-DSM} unto a world-system {2889 N-DSM} and {2532 CONJ} unto messengers {0032 N-DPM} and {2532 CONJ} unto humanity {0444 N-DPM}

robinriley · Sep 7, 2015

convallaria said:

(Robin)
Wrong convaliaria, God does take back gifts ... where did you scripturally come by the idea that He doesn't?

A good "for instance" of His gifts going away is the fact that Paul lost his ability to heal.

robinriley · Sep 7, 2015

oldthennew said:

(Robin)
Sounds like relativism to me, better yet the more discriptive term obscurantism ... no judgement calls allowed, everything's OK;
all religions lead to the top of the mountain, calling yourself a prophet of God is OK with God, after all your opinion is as good as His!

robinriley · Sep 7, 2015

convallaria said:

(Convallaria)
What will you do with this word severally ? Look it up.

(Robin)
It's unclear ... to me ... what you're doing here?

(Convallaria)
Speaking of the gifts: 1 Cor 12:11
But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man n severally as he will.

(Robin)
What translation are you reading ... just checked and there isn't any variants, here, between the the Alexandrian and Byzantine, so the odd reading must simply be that of the particular translation ...

Ahhh ... are you using Youngs translation, then? It's usually a very good translation, by the way ...just not here!

(Convallaria)
What will you do with this word severally ? Look it up.

(Robin)
Better yet ... I'll give you the actual Greek words, and you can compile your own, more accurate, reading ...
It's not all that hard; I'll give you tools (declinations, parsings; Strong's numbering even); I will also give
you my own reading, of course, but feel free to come up with your own, just do it intelligently.

The particular word,(adverb) the one you and Young are reading as "severally" ... Rotherham read, here, as "peculiarly"
which is even more ... peculiar? The actual word, in the Greek is καθὼς ... transliterated as kathOs ...
the Strong's number is 2531, it's Goodrich/Kohlenberber number is 2777 ...Spiros Zodhiates's Word Study says it means
"according as" ...implying manner ... "such as" ...

i agree with Zod's "according as" but think that it should be shown to the reading as hyphenated, in order to indicate that
it's all one word in the Greek ..."according-as" ...

"Yet to all these [manifestations] it operates,
the one and the same spirit apportioning unto own, unto each [one]
according-as He intends."

Actually, this was a difficult verse for me, in that it's God Who gives the gifts ..."according as HE intends" ...
but God is doing this via His spirit ..."yet to all these [manifestations] IT operates" ... that is, I had to do
some mental juggling there, in order to make it read appropriately.

But back to the topic thread ... notice that I've added (in [brackets], by the way) the word "[manifestatons]"
because the demonstrtive pronoun "to these [things]" was stand-alone ... it refers back, of course, to all the
different graced gifts (as manifested by the spirit) in verses 12:9 -10 ...

I'm rambling, sorry ... these individual gifts are individually given, and show up, as the spirit of the gift manifests the given gifts ...
but what I find interesting, and relivent to the topic, is that the context appears to indicate that these gifts are, indeed,
EACH given to an individual. That is, I'm unable to "read into" these verses that an individual is intended to receive more than a single gift? ..."it operates, the one and the same spirit apportioning unto own, unto each

Convallaria)
What will you do with this word severally ? Look it up.

(Robin)
I did ... it actually says "according-as" ... now you look it up!

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12:11 πάντα δὲ ταῦτα ἐνεργεῖ τὸ ἓν καὶ τὸ αὐτὸ πνεῦμα, διαιροῦν ἰδίᾳ ἑκάστῳ καθὼς βούλεται.

panta de tauta energei to hen kai to auto pneuma diairoun idia hekastO kathOs bouletai
Yet to all these [manifestations] it operates, the one and the same spirit apportioning unto own, unto each [one] according-as He intends.

to all [things] {3956 A-APN} yet {1161 CONJ} to these [things] {3778 D-APN} it operates {1754 V-PAI-3S} the [thing] {3588 T-NSN} a one [thing] {1520 A-NSN} and {2532 CONJ} the [thing] {3588 T-NSN} a same [thing] {0846 P-NSN} a spirit {4151 N-NSN} apportioning {1244 V-PAP-NSN} unto an own [one] {2398 A-DSF} unto each a [one] {1538 A-DSM} according-as {2531 ADV} He intends {1014 V-PNI-3S}

crossnote · Sep 7, 2015

convallaria said:

Severally comes from sever...to section off. He gives some to one, some other gifts to others as He wills.
I never said God takes back any gifts. Your objection should have been with Blain who seems to think one day he has one gift another day another gift ...day in and day out. Since God doesn't take away gifts, by now Blain should have ALL the gifts. Think about it.

gkroo · Sep 7, 2015

A prophet is a prophet to those that can interpret the message.

crossnote · Sep 7, 2015

Blain said:

How else was I supposed to take it?

crossnote · Sep 7, 2015

A person can claim what ever, but once they say "The Lord says" or "Thus saith the Lord" or even "The Lord spoke to me and said" etc., but if any of what they say doesn't come to pass then it's

convallaria · Sep 7, 2015

robinriley said:

Oh dear Robin. I think to say something so outrageous you would need to back it up with scripture. Though I can't see how you will manage that when it is God Who heals, not man, and He never changes.

DiscipleDave · Sep 7, 2015

Blain said:

Anyone who teaches anything that is contrary to the Word of God is a false teacher. Anyone who prophesies about something that does not line up with Scriptures is a false prophet. Anyone who prophesizes about something and it does NOT come to pass, is also a false prophet.

Blain said:

This is a description of the prophets in the Bible. It is also a description of the prophets in the last days

Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

i believe the Word of God and what Jesus taught, NOT what the people from the last days generation teaches.

Blain said:

Unless they are prophetic visions and divine revelations about prophetic topics, right?

Blain said:

One who has the Gift of prophesy, will indeed have visions from God, will indeed have dreams from God, will indeed hear God's voice.

Blain said:

True, and the prophet did NOT give his own thought, or what he personally thought was the answer, the prophet would tell them what GOD told them. God spoke to them, as He speaks to them today. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Blain said:

Many claim this, because the Word of God plainly teaches that in the last days there will be many false prophets. This is a tactic of satan, to make everyone NOT believe the True prophets that God does speak to and reveal the future to. satan causes many false ones to arise in the last days, many claim to be prophets. Again, and Again, i say. If Anyone teaches something that is contrary to the Word of God, they are a false teacher and/or false prophet. Those who God does speak with, will also be taught of the Holy Ghost. Anyone who teaches something that does not line up with Scriptures is FALSE.

Blain said:

Now you have. Do i say that to boast or to exalt myself? To hear from this wicked generation that is what they will falsely accuse straight away. But i am called, not to save the unsaved, i am called to correct those who proclaim to be Christians from any false doctrine or false teaching that they present. When you say you have not met one legit prophet, i could not hold my tongue, because that is now untrue, false, and not accurate.

Blain said:

This is so True, concerning the false prophets. But again, they hear something, and even if it does not line up with Scriptures or even if it is contrary to Scriptures, they teach it anyways. They have altogether Failed to try the spirits? How do you try the Spirits, with the Word of God. If what they are telling you does not line up with Scriptures or is contrary to ANY verse in Scriptures, you are hearing a false spirit. They will teach 99% Truth added with a 1% lie to these people. And these people should realize that it is a false spirit because of the 1% lie. That 1% lie is contrary to a verse in the Word of God, therefore the spirit is false. God only speaks 100% Truth, there is NO LIE in Him. If a voice is speaking to you, and there is but a little bit of leaven (lie) in it. It is a false spirit, no matter that 99% of the other stuff the spirit said is True.
Again. "IF Anyone (person or spirit or even self) is teaching you something that contradicts ANY verse in Scriptures, then what is being taught is a False Teaching and it is NOT of God.

Blain said:

satan speaks to many in this world, he is the god of this world. God speaks to few in this world, because few live HOLY and Righteous, few are on that Narrow and Difficult path that leads to life everlasting. FEW live by the Word of God. How you can tell which voice is speaking? By what is being said. If what is being said contradicts the Word of God, it is an evil spirit.

Blain said:

The Question is why are you seeking to speak to a prophet? Most answers that people seek can be found in the Word of God, and Many more can be found by the Holy Spirit of God.

Blain said:

i since this has happened to you, you have described perfectly what happens to me continually. But it does not bring me down. Because God told me that this generation would not receive or hear the words that i teach them, from Him. i then asked Him, then why teach it at all to them, if you already know they will not receive it. He then said "They will have not cloak for their sins" i said "That is in Scriptures isn't it?" He then said, When they stand before me on Judgment Day, they will not be able to plead ignorance, that they did not know, for behold you and others will have told them the Truth. So then i understood why i teach, not to convince anyone of the Truth, but merely to reveal the Truth to a generation that will absolutely refuse to hear it, because this generation LOVES their false doctrines, itching ears, and will not come to the Truth, because the Truth is HARD, it is a difficult path, not an easy Christianity path, but a narrow and difficult path that only a very few will FIND. Many THINK they are on that path, and will refuse to listen to anyone who tries to tell them otherwise.

Blain said:

This is True, with more knowledge requires more responsibility. The consequences of NOT doing what He tells you to do, will effect your entire life thereafter. i did not do what He told me to do, and i have not heard His voice, or had any visions, or any dreams, since. i have not heard from Him since 1994. crying now, gotta go.

Bowman · Sep 7, 2015

'Disciple Dave' frequents this forum...and he is a self-proclaimed prophet of God.

Someone needs to tells him that he is a false prophet...

mcubed · Sep 7, 2015

In the time of before Y-shua ascended into heaven and He sent the Holy Spirit on the Feast of Shavuot (feast of Weeks, Pentecost ((N.T)), the Holy Spirit was not given to the individual. (We were not so necessarily confused in the O. T.) Therefore, G-d would appoint a prophet. To be a prophet is simply to have foreknowledge. The Word of G-d is complete; there is no more adding onto the word. I believe that G-d can and does give foreknowledge to specific people about a specific situation; therefore they act in the “office” of a prophet. However, I truly believe one must in all humility and be sure to really know “This says the Lord” before one says flippantly, this says the Lord.

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