Are you really saved or do you just think you are? Exposing the lie of Easy Believism

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Ariel82

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actually hey prove how hard it is to just have saving faith, we have to add all these things to it so it does not seem so easy,

Again, it is all based on Pride,


If you don't have true saving faith you can fall into the trap of legalism or licentiousness.

It's not about pride. It's about standing for God's truth..,,if you have a saving faith it changes your heart,mind and soul. If there is no change,you need to check to see if you have faith in the true gospel or not.
 
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Ariel82

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There's only ONE WAY to explain easy believism Ariel.

You really SHOULD learn some belief systems.
I love you, really I do. But you need to know more...
I think I know enough about belief systems...I am actually trying to get to know individual people....not cold theological systems.
 

Zen

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Zen,
Why do you think your Christian life is difficult?
Because I'm tortured by being in the world, I'm surrounded by filth and vanity. And sometimes when I'm talking to other Christians I get mocked and insulted. Sometimes all I have to do is post scripture with nothing else, no opinions of my own. Holding grudges and getting angry is easy, forgiving is difficult.

I'm glad that I can suffer for my God, I know it all works patience and hope it will bring Him glory.
 

mcubed

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Y-shua is my Messiah, my Lord, my Savior. That settles it. If His atonement for my sin was not enough to get me Saved and keep me saved, Hebrews asked us rhetorically, can you crucify Messiah twice. NO! Is the answer. Thank G-d for that! I am secure in my salvation!
 
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Y-shua is my Messiah, my Lord, my Savior. That settles it. If His atonement for my sin was not enough to get me Saved and keep me saved, Hebrews asked us rhetorically, can you crucify Messiah twice. NO! Is the answer. Thank G-d for that! I am secure in my salvation!
AMEN.....if it could possibly be lost it could never be regained...there remains no more sacrifice for sin....once was sufficient and salvation is eternal.........
 
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Because I'm tortured by being in the world, I'm surrounded by filth and vanity. And sometimes when I'm talking to other Christians I get mocked and insulted. Sometimes all I have to do is post scripture with nothing else, no opinions of my own. Holding grudges and getting angry is easy, forgiving is difficult.

I'm glad that I can suffer for my God, I know it all works patience and hope it will bring Him glory.
i agree with you about being in the world.
I don't watch TV anymore.
I like music --- but that's not so bad unless you watch this modern stuff.
There's no respect for anyone.
Women have no respect for men and men have no respect for women.
Some treat them as if they were just another man. But seems to me some deserve it...

If a Christian mocks you it means they're a nominal Christian. An easy believer and hyper-gracer. Jesus did leave us with commands and teachings. We try to please Him as best we can --- it's not easy living here, is it? So we do our best and Jesus will love us for what we can do and save us from what we cannot. The important thing is that we are no longer slaves to satan. We know the truth and the truth has made us free.

Remember, we are of the Kingdom,
Citizens in good standing...
I do believe I'll do a blog on this...

Blessings
 
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If a Christian mocks you it means they're a nominal Christian. An easy believer and hyper-gracer.

Blessings
?????????????? LIKE----------->You're not very smart Blue...
 

PennEd

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Hi Ed, I'll comment in blue within your text. :)



​Do you personally know of someone who says they believe and are saved and are living their life in habitual sin?
Well yes. Just about everybody. We all sin to one degree or another. We still inhabit these dead bodies, and until we are transformed into our glorified bodies we are not perfect and sin. If we WERE PERFECT then we would never sin.

The Holy Spirit transforms us and gives us the power to walk in the Spirit, but Like Lazarus, whom Christ raised from the dead, we still have our stinky, rotten grave clothes on.

So what constitutes "habitual"? That word seems to be what is in contention.

All this simply boils down to whether we are Born again or not. If we are born again, we are a new creation. We ARE His Kids!!

My kids don't have to work, or try to be my children. THEY ARE BY BIRTH! Now, they disobey sometimes, even "habitually". BUT they know they REMAIN my children but will have to deal with the consequences of their disobeying. ONE of the consequences WILL NOT BE that they are no longer my children.

Are we God's children by NEW BIRTH? Of course we are! WE ARE BORN AGAIN. We are forever His Children, and He will do what is necessary to transform us into the likeness of His One and only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
 
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Well yes. Just about everybody. We all sin to one degree or another. We still inhabit these dead bodies, and until we are transformed into our glorified bodies we are not perfect and sin. If we WERE PERFECT then we would never sin.

The Holy Spirit transforms us and gives us the power to walk in the Spirit, but Like Lazarus, whom Christ raised from the dead, we still have our stinky, rotten grave clothes on.

So what constitutes "habitual"? That word seems to be what is in contention.

All this simply boils down to whether we are Born again or not. If we are born again, we are a new creation. We ARE His Kids!!

My kids don't have to work, or try to be my children. THEY ARE BY BIRTH! Now, they disobey sometimes, even "habitually". BUT they know they REMAIN my children but will have to deal with the consequences of their disobeying. ONE of the consequences WILL NOT BE that they are no longer my children.

Are we God's children by NEW BIRTH? Of course we are! WE ARE BORN AGAIN. We are forever His Children, and He will do what is necessary to transform us into the likeness of His One and only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
AMEN a child by birth....and with the LORD it is of incorruptible seed........!
 
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WingsOfFidelity

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Impressive!

Did the CMA, Simpson, Tozer, Reidhead, Murray, Mueller, or Taylor save you?

Or were you saved by confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead?
(Rom 10:9).
I'm sorry but I have to say, this is not what saves you, this is the result of being saved. The Lord first does a work in you. He changes your heart and gives you the ability to believe. Before this your heart is exceedingly wicked, you are dead in sin. Like Lazarus who was dead and could not do anything of his own accord had to be brought to life first. Nothing he did brought him to life. It was the Lord and the Lord alone who did the work before he could harken to Jesus' voice.
 
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Enow

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The issue is everyone wants to use their own definition of easy believism and if we don't agree on a common definition, how can we really discuss the topic?
Which is why when we discuss how easy it is to be saved by believing in Him, hence some would allude that to be easy believism, then it is how they apply easy believism to mean in regards to their walk with Christ rather than to the salvation message.

Some would apply easy believism towards their walk in Christ to mean it doesn't matter what you do after you are saved, and so they are no longer talking about the easy believism of salvation, now are they? They are talking about after easy believism of salvation in how they walk with Him or rather, how they are not walking with Him which is what they are really saying without actually saying it... and God is not mocked for sowing to the works of the flesh.

There is a race to be run, and it is because they are saved by easy believism, they should look to the author & finisher of our faith to believe in Him that He will help them lay aside every weight & sin in running that race that He will finish to His glory.
 
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Ariel82

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Because I'm tortured by being in the world, I'm surrounded by filth and vanity. And sometimes when I'm talking to other Christians I get mocked and insulted. Sometimes all I have to do is post scripture with nothing else, no opinions of my own. Holding grudges and getting angry is easy, forgiving is difficult.

I'm glad that I can suffer for my God, I know it all works patience and hope it will bring Him glory.
First couple sentences made me want to give you a hug....but then I remembered the potential creepy feature and would offer you a flower instead.
.just remember God loves you and you don't have to be alone
 

PennEd

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Hi Ed, I'll comment in blue within your text. :)



​Do you personally know of someone who says they believe and are saved and are living their life in habitual sin?
Ooh, I forgot to mention in my last post. I'm not even remotely sure how you came to the conclusion that I said Ariel was referring that Jesus was a demon! That thought never even entered my mind.

I'm not even sure what to say beyond that.
 
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Ariel82

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Ooh, I forgot to mention in my last post. I'm not even remotely sure how you came to the conclusion that I said Ariel was referring that Jesus was a demon! That thought never even entered my mind.

I'm not even sure what to say beyond that.
That's a relief. Was gonna re-read my posts to see how that came about.
 

Enow

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Because I'm tortured by being in the world, I'm surrounded by filth and vanity. And sometimes when I'm talking to other Christians I get mocked and insulted. Sometimes all I have to do is post scripture with nothing else, no opinions of my own. Holding grudges and getting angry is easy, forgiving is difficult.

I'm glad that I can suffer for my God, I know it all works patience and hope it will bring Him glory.
Whenever I have trouble forgiving, He reminds me that He had asked the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do while still hanging on the cross and being insulted.

1 Peter 2:[SUP]19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP] 22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

First couple sentences made me want to give you a hug....but then I remembered the potential creepy feature and would offer you a flower instead.
Huh? I wondered if I had creeped out my brother, shrume, with that hug. I hope not.

.just remember God loves you and you don't have to be alone
I would add for Zen's benefit that Jesus Christ is in him and He is never leaving him alone for He is with Him always
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Because I'm tortured by being in the world, I'm surrounded by filth and vanity. And sometimes when I'm talking to other Christians I get mocked and insulted. Sometimes all I have to do is post scripture with nothing else, no opinions of my own. Holding grudges and getting angry is easy, forgiving is difficult.

I'm glad that I can suffer for my God, I know it all works patience and hope it will bring Him glory.
The world is messed-up, you would do well to separate yourself from it, we as Christians have been set apart and are called to be different and to not conform to the world. Forgiving is difficult but we continue to strive to forgive - as we have been forgiven. Ignore the mocking, Christians who may mock you have God to answer to, just smile and love them in return. God bless you brother Zen.
 

Zen

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i agree with you about being in the world.
I don't watch TV anymore.
I like music --- but that's not so bad unless you watch this modern stuff.
There's no respect for anyone.
Women have no respect for men and men have no respect for women.
Some treat them as if they were just another man. But seems to me some deserve it...

If a Christian mocks you it means they're a nominal Christian. An easy believer and hyper-gracer. Jesus did leave us with commands and teachings. We try to please Him as best we can --- it's not easy living here, is it? So we do our best and Jesus will love us for what we can do and save us from what we cannot. The important thing is that we are no longer slaves to satan. We know the truth and the truth has made us free.

Remember, we are of the Kingdom,
Citizens in good standing...
I do believe I'll do a blog on this...

Blessings
May God bless you too, I hope you will continue in His grace and peace.

Thank you to everyone who writes kind words here, God loves when you edify each other. May God bless you all too.
 

Desertsrose

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I'll comment in blue again, ok? :)

Well yes. Just about everybody. We all sin to one degree or another. We still inhabit these dead bodies, and until we are transformed into our glorified bodies we are not perfect and sin. If we WERE PERFECT then we would never sin.

The Holy Spirit transforms us and gives us the power to walk in the Spirit, but Like Lazarus, whom Christ raised from the dead, we still have our stinky, rotten grave clothes on.

So what constitutes "habitual"? That word seems to be what is in contention.

All this simply boils down to whether we are Born again or not. If we are born again, we are a new creation. We ARE His Kids!!

1 John 3:10
By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

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Believers who have been saved by grace through faith practice righteousness. They are a new creation in Christ. Righteousness flows through their new-life veins. So they will begin practicing righteousness. Not perfectly yet, but they leave their life of sin even if/when they trip up.

1 John 1:5-10 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

~ John says that those who walk in darkness don't practice the truth. They lie as a habit. The believer is not walking in darkness, we are walking in light and do tell the truth.

We are in the sanctification process and will begin to lie less and less because we don't walk in darkness anymore. We are walking in the light and because of that we begin to tell the truth. We desire truth, we want to live truth.........we want to live Jesus because He is the truth.

And because we're walking in the truth, we admit our sin. We confess our sins to the Lord and because we're now walking in the light, because we're practicing righteousness even thought we may sin along the way, we are going to confess our sins and be cleansed because Jesus is righteous and faithful and forgives us.


My kids don't have to work, or try to be my children. THEY ARE BY BIRTH! Now, they disobey sometimes, even "habitually". BUT they know they REMAIN my children but will have to deal with the consequences of their disobeying. ONE of the consequences WILL NOT BE that they are no longer my children.

Sometimes parables we come up with just don't work. And I think this is one of them. We can't compare this with God's children because we don't have the same
situation to compare. All of God's children are fallen even though He gave us life......He birthed us.

We, as fallen children have to accept His gift of grace through faith to be restored to a righteous relationship with Him. There are many who will not bow the knee and will not desire the new birth and will continue on in their sin. So we're not really comparing apples with apples in this example.

But I will say that the one who is truly born again are God's child forever. Because they will walk in the light, they won't walk in darkness. When we sin, He makes a way to cleanse us through confession and repentance.

Are we God's children by NEW BIRTH? Of course we are! WE ARE BORN AGAIN. We are forever His Children, and He will do what is necessary to transform us into the likeness of His One and only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Yes, we are God's children through the new birth.

But our saying we're His child or our saying that we've been saved by grace through faith isn't so because we say so. It's through genuine faith that we are and it's because He says so and in His word, He shows us what it means to be saved/born again.

We've been chosen to obey. We've been called to obey. We are to abide and bear fruit. Easy believism will not agree with this. Easy believism allows the carnal person to continue on. Just say Jesus is Lord and you're in. Just say that God is your savior and all is well.

In other words, easy believism makes up their own rules whatever they want them to look like.

But God says only those who do my will are my children. Jesus says those who love me will obey my commandments. Easy believism doesn't like those words.
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The son does remain forever in the house.


John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.

[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

Once we are in Christ - we become sons/daughters of God.

Galatians 3:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.


1 John 3:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I encourage us to start to believe in the gospel of the grace of Christ. It is "good news".

If we see ourselves as children of God we will walk as children of our Father and our true nature in our new creation will transform our minds to reflect that nature outwardly in our behavior powered by the Spirit of God inside of us.


Walking as a son of God does not "make us a son".

We are sons to begin with.

Get this backwards and we have a works-based religion that tries to "mimic" the life of Christ instead on relying on Him to transform us by the hearing of Him by the Holy Spirit.