Are you RIGHTEOUS?
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I think we have answered already... I think you just do not like the answer.
Works has nothing to do with staying saved.
End of story!!!
Works has nothing to do with staying saved.
End of story!!!
Faith without works is dead.
The just cannot live by dead faith.
We're saved "by grace through faith". You really ought to study what "through faith" means. It's not a one-trick pony.
U
Well, if they cannot answer this question they have no cause to keep coming back and harping on about conditional security.
Like I said when people want conditional security it is because they cannot stand that someone who has sinned will still be saved because they believe they are so good that they only deserve salvation.
Yet God is Gracious and far, far, above our human reasoning and He has made the simple Gospel offensive to the natural mind, a true stumbling block. The gospel is once save always saved ...it is eternal life!
We see them stumble everyday.
Like I said when people want conditional security it is because they cannot stand that someone who has sinned will still be saved because they believe they are so good that they only deserve salvation.
Yet God is Gracious and far, far, above our human reasoning and He has made the simple Gospel offensive to the natural mind, a true stumbling block. The gospel is once save always saved ...it is eternal life!
We see them stumble everyday.
This question is the wrong question. When you start on a walk with someone you
hope you will finish the walk, all you know is you are on the walk, and unless you
leave the walk, you will finish it in the future.
Salvation is communion with Christ which is maintained or exists as long as one has
faith and walks with Him.
Now with free will, be can rebel, become disobedience and lose faith. Now until you
reach the end of the road, you do not know that you will make it.
When Israel left Egypt they did not think many would be dead after rebelling against God
and worshiping a golden calf but that is what they did.
Or Korah who though literally God would choose him as a true leader against Moses.
But the ground swallowed him up, and burnt the others who offered an unholy offering.
Now they really did believe God was on their side. And they are very wrong.
hope you will finish the walk, all you know is you are on the walk, and unless you
leave the walk, you will finish it in the future.
Salvation is communion with Christ which is maintained or exists as long as one has
faith and walks with Him.
Now with free will, be can rebel, become disobedience and lose faith. Now until you
reach the end of the road, you do not know that you will make it.
When Israel left Egypt they did not think many would be dead after rebelling against God
and worshiping a golden calf but that is what they did.
Or Korah who though literally God would choose him as a true leader against Moses.
But the ground swallowed him up, and burnt the others who offered an unholy offering.
Now they really did believe God was on their side. And they are very wrong.
This is the post:
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
Ok.
So are you saying WORKS ARE NECESSARY?
Or are you still arguing about it??
Eternally-grateful says:
when have I said they were not necessary, except for gaining ones salvation.
I was just stating what the bible says about those of true faith.
So, you ARE saying that works are necessary for gaining salvation?
Please reread your post above and stop telling me I accuse you of believing what you don't believe.
Maybe you don't say things correctly...
Originally Posted by FranC View Post
Ok.
So are you saying WORKS ARE NECESSARY?
Or are you still arguing about it??
Eternally-grateful says:
when have I said they were not necessary, except for gaining ones salvation.
I was just stating what the bible says about those of true faith.
So, you ARE saying that works are necessary for gaining salvation?
Please reread your post above and stop telling me I accuse you of believing what you don't believe.
Maybe you don't say things correctly...
U
Well there many many people with good works that have no faith and are not saved.
What is Born Again cannot be unborn....even nature tells us this much.
So yes it is a singular event... and I am sure glad this pony is Born Again to eternal life.
What is Born Again cannot be unborn....even nature tells us this much.
So yes it is a singular event... and I am sure glad this pony is Born Again to eternal life.
In Hebrews 11 it mentions every person named that believed had works to prove them.
Faith without works is dead.
The just cannot live by dead faith.
We're saved "by grace through faith". You really ought to study what "through faith" means. It's not a one-trick pony.
Faith without works is dead.
The just cannot live by dead faith.
We're saved "by grace through faith". You really ought to study what "through faith" means. It's not a one-trick pony.
E
In Hebrews 11 it mentions every person named that believed had works to prove them.
Faith without works is dead.
The just cannot live by dead faith.
We're saved "by grace through faith". You really ought to study what "through faith" means. It's not a one-trick pony.
Faith without works is dead.
The just cannot live by dead faith.
We're saved "by grace through faith". You really ought to study what "through faith" means. It's not a one-trick pony.
nope, in heb 11 it shows every person who had real faith, and the works prodeced by that faith,
the reason there are no people mentioned that did not have works, is because the had no faith,
without faith (not without works) it is impossible to please him,
U
Well then, Jesus did not need to die on the cross for our salvation and atonement.
He could have just been a positive role model to emulate.
Our communion is not our salvation.
You need to separate them out.
It actually is an important question which you have made clear has no answer.
But I will tell you one thing scripture does answer. He paid for all sins once and for all for those who accept His gift of salvation.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] The salvation that God has provided through Jesus Christ is by grace. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8,9)." Acts 15:11 says, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved." Eternal life is not received by, attained by, or kept by a person's works, conduct or behavior. We are saved by grace through faith.
Grace by definition excludes all works. "And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work (Romans 11:6)." One work added to grace would render it no more grace. If you were to add one drop of poison to a glass of pure water, it would render it no more a glass of pure water; but a glass of poisoned water.[/FONT]
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