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no one is righteous apart from the cross, that is what we mean, even the most mature Christian, apart from th cross, would b condemned because of not living up to Gods standard.
Sorry, I only got what I read, I couldn't see what someone was trying to say.
If it means that much(and it should), then I think it should posted in it's entirety, and not in part to confuse others.

If I didn't get it, then it's possible others didn't either, that's all I'm saying.
 

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This is so funny and appropriate for us coffee drinkers! Just finished saving for and purchased a Kuerig one perfect cup at a time coffee maker and have to say WOW WOW AND WOW!!!
 
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Sorry, I only got what I read, I couldn't see what someone was trying to say.
If it means that much(and it should), then I think it should posted in it's entirety, and not in part to confuse others.

If I didn't get it, then it's possible others didn't either, that's all I'm saying.
its all good, hope they know now.
 

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no one is righteous apart from the cross, that is what we mean, even the most mature Christian, apart from th cross, would b condemned because of not living up to Gods standard.

Did you know that your righteousness does not depend on your works? A young or mature Christian is never apart from the cross. The righteousness of Christ is always on and in us. It is now our new identity because our righteousness was given to us as a gift from Jesus....and it is and always will be ours for as long as Christ lives. And He lives after the power of an endless life. He is our guarantee from now till eternity. He has given us a gift that continues to give.
 
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Did you know that your righteousness does not depend on your works? A young or mature Christian is never apart from the cross. The righteousness of Christ is always on and in us. It is now our new identity because our righteousness was given to us as a gift from Jesus....and it is and always will be ours for as long as Christ lives. And He lives after the power of an endless life. He is our guarantee from now till eternity. He has given us a gift that continues to give.

It is as in the symbology of the day of atonement, the blood is covering the commands, and all God has against us, so our sins are covered, thus we are seen as righteous via the rihteosness of Christ.
 

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And so much so we are not condemned anymore .... ever. This simply shocks and instills all kinds of hope in me. Shows that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. He does it in so many ways. He gives us strength by giving us His righteousness and standing before God. He has made us acceptable IN the Beloved. There is no more judgment for the believer.

While in prayer mtg last night., I was made aware of just how many older believers don't know this.. even the teacher who was leading. I wanted to shout out WAIT.... HOLD IT.... THERE IS ALL KINDS OF HOPE AND STRENGTH YOU ARE MISSING!!!!
And it will help you understand the other verses in the Bible too! The part in Hebrews about the fearful expectation and the falling into the hands of a holy God..... WAIT... GO BACK!!!! THERE'S MORE!!!

But i had to be quiet since I already interrupted before.



 
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Hey joaniemarie,
What exactly do you mean in this sentence:There is no more judgment for the believer?

I cant wrap my head around it meaning anthing else but what it says.
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joaniemarie

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Hey joaniemarie,
What exactly do you mean in this sentence:There is no more judgment for the believer?

I cant wrap my head around it meaning anthing else but what it says.
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Hi LivingIt., Are you saying it's obvious about there being no more judgment for the believer OR are you saying there is still some judgment to go around? I'm not sure what you're asking.
 
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Hi LivingIt., Are you saying it's obvious about there being no more judgment for the believer OR are you saying there is still some judgment to go around? I'm not sure what you're asking.
I think she is asking you if you will be Judged at the end of the age by Jesus...
 

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Those who are Righteous, do not do that which is unrighteous.
This generation claims with their mouths they are Righteous, yet they knowingly and willingly do things which they know are UNRIGHTEOUS.
Those who do Righteousness are Righteous.
Those who do Unrighteousness are UNRIGHTEOUS.
Children of God do only those things that are Righteous, because Jesus is their LORD and Master.
Children of the devil do things that are UNrighteous, because they obey satan to do those things that are Unrighteous.
Scriptures plainly teach Awake to Righteousness and Sin NOT.
This generation of false teachings teach that you can still be Righteous and continue to sin, which thing is 100% Contrary to the Holy Inspired by God Scriptures which teaches otherwise.
This generation of Typical Christians teach that it is impossible to cease from Sin, which Scriptures call those who can't cease from sinning Cursed Children.
Those who are Righteous, do ONLY those things that are Righteous, because Jesus lives in them, and these obey Jesus and do not obey temptations that satan brings.
You are either Righteous (Good Tree) or your not (Tree that produces a few bad fruits)
Those who believe they are Righteous even though they continue to live in sin, are deceived and do NOT know the TRUTH, even though they yell the loudest that they do.

Those who disagree with what i wrote above, are they that love to sin, and are unwilling to cease from them. The Righteous HATE sinning. The Unrighteous freely chooses to knowingly and willingly commit sin, which they know full well that it is sinful but willingly chooses to commit that sin anyways = Unrighteousness.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

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Hello JoanieMarie. Thank you for taking the time to address me personally and for the kind and respectful manner in which you did so. It is refreshing to meet someone who is willing to discuss doctrinal differences in a respectful manner. I don't encounter many people like you online so I'd would like to thank you. :)

Unlike many that I have encountered in the past, I choose not engage in name calling, or deny the salvation of those that I may disagree with, or make accusations based on false assumptions. I do my best not to make or take disagreements personal.

I have read your posts and agree with much of what you have stated. However, there is one area in which we disagree and that is whether or not righteousness is relational in nature as it is positional.

You and I both agree that it is Christ who makes us righteous and that it is faith which places IN CHRIST. It also appears that we would both agree that righteousness is a person, the indwelling Spirit of Christ. Where we disagree is on how righteousness is maintained.

From what I can gather, you appear to be a believer in the doctrine of "once saved, always saved" which teaches that righteousness is a one time gift that can not be revoked, even if a person chooses to engage in unrighteousness. However, I am of the mindset that righteousness is but one aspect of the gift that we receive at the moment of salvation, which is the person of the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is my belief that, in the same manner in which we receive righteousness, which is through restored relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, righteousness is also kept (maintained).

In other words, just as we are made righteous through the inhabitation of Spirit of Christ, we remain righteous through daily relationship with the Spirit of Christ.

I, too, have a story that I like to use to illustrate this principle:

Let's say you were drowning in rough seas. A captain of a nearby boat sees you struggling, rushes over, and pulls you out of the water. He then gives you a change of clothes and allows you stay in his personal quarters, eating from his own table, for the remainder of the voyage. He tells you to stay off the deck because it is very possible that the waves could pull you back into the water where you could drown.

You are now faced with three options:

#1. Trust the Captain and stay inside the boat, no self effort involved.
#2. Ignore the Captain, and jump back into dangerous waters where you will probably die.
#3. Flirt with disaster by going on deck on assuming that, if you do fall in, the captain will be there to rescue you time and time again.

Now, common sense tells you that the easiest and safest option is to stay inside the boat. Biblical faith works similarly. Jesus saves us and accepts us into His Presence, which is life in the (Holy) Spirit. He then warns us to avoid temptation because to indulge in sin is to venture outside of His Presence:

"But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin." ~ 1 John 3:5

However, in regards to salvation, most believers choose the equivalent of option #3. They go about living their lives with little regard to what the Bible says about the dangers of sin, assuming that God will be there to bail them out of trouble again & again. Christ's primary role in daily their lives is that of a life preserver, needed only in emergencies.

True, biblical faith not only saves us but it also empowers us to live righteously. Yet, to remain righteous, today and each day onward, we must walk in the Spirit.

"He who walks in the Spirit need not indulge the lusts of the flesh." ~ Galatians 5:16

It is a matter of choice to walk daily in the presence He who makes us righteous. A person need not do anything to remain righteous other than rest in Christ, placing all trust in Him and His word. It's when we take our fate into our own hands and follow the desires of our flesh that we make the same mistake as Adam, resulting in separation from God.

I believe that just as there is nothing we can do to earn Salvation there is nothing we can do to maintain it.

I believe that a person who is truly saved will not walk in sin. If they did they would bring severe chastening on themselves or perhaps be called home early. Jesus will not allow a believer to compromise his/her testimony for very long or bring discredit on Himself. We are clearly told that there will be many who believe they are saved who in fact are not. We are also told that it is not our role to determine who they are. We are told to break fellowship with anyone living in sin who, after being exhorted persists, in wickedness.

1 Co 3:11-17
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
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In verse 17 defile is in the present tense, which signifies persistent or ongoing behavior. I believe that the destruction referred to refers to the body. Once Eternal life has been given it can not be lost; or it wasn't eternal when we had it. Eternal Salvation is certainly not a license to sin.

Ro 8:1-15
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
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So you dismiss the works of every early Church father based on the opinions of a few? Several of those quoted in my article predated the push toward Catholicism for 200 years. They had absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism what so ever. I introduced the works of the early Church fathers to give an example of what the Gnostics were teaching.

If you have ever read the works of the Gnostics, you would understand why they were widely regarded as heretics then as well as now. It was they who wrote the false Gospels of Judas, Thomas, and Mary. The fact that you would defend the Gnostics shows how little that you truly know.
The Early Church Fathers were not designated by God; but by men. They had a 'gift of gab' not necessarily Spiritual and got themselves elevated to a title of Bishop. Some of them wrote things that are Scripturally sound most did not.
 

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I believe that just as there is nothing we can do to earn Salvation there is nothing we can do to maintain it.

I believe that a person who is truly saved will not walk in sin. If they did they would bring severe chastening on themselves or perhaps be called home early. Jesus will not allow a believer to compromise his/her testimony for very long or bring discredit on Himself. We are clearly told that there will be many who believe they are saved who in fact are not. We are also told that it is not our role to determine who they are. We are told to break fellowship with anyone living in sin who, after being exhorted persists, in wickedness.

1 Co 3:11-17
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
KJV
In verse 17 defile is in the present tense, which signifies persistent or ongoing behavior. I believe that the destruction referred to refers to the body. Once Eternal life has been given it can not be lost; or it wasn't eternal when we had it. Eternal Salvation is certainly not a license to sin.

Ro 8:1-15
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
KJV

Hi Marc., Amen., good post. I'm just getting to know you. And respect you as well as enjoy reading your posts and appreciate the use of appropriate Bible verses and agree with much of what you say. You're one of the oldies but goodies. (I'm 59 and realize age is just a number) and by the time we get to what used to be one of the big numbers., we realize we are not as old as we once thought that age was.

I agree and appreciate your post here and the application of these good verses you used. It was an excellent reply to the previous posters about salvation by grace through faith. Amen!

I'm just commenting here on the chastisement issue. I've had my own journey with Jesus and have found that chastisement is more about restoration to proper understanding of the truth of who Jesus is and about His kind of love. More than it is about any kind of discipline to and for punishment. When it comes to the body of believers in a church., the one doing the wrong does have to be dealt with in a more open way and even be set apart for a while for the good of the whole. But that too is always for the good of all. The Holy Spirit is still in all believers involved and is always still working. Yes., He is quenched by us but not ever leaving.

I've been one of and around the kind of believers who use the woodshed perspective of God getting His children back to where they need to be in the chastisement dept. I no longer hold to that opinion because it to me bears some sort of "I'm gonna teach you a lesson you little bugger., this is gonna hurt me more than it does you and it's for your own good" type scenario.

I believe and have seen that the Lord uses His Word to chasten us. He uses the Holy Spirit to lead and direct the believer to the truth. He allows the natural consequences of wrong doing to come to pass. I don't see or experience the Lord taking us to the woodshed. I also don't see Him taking us "out" sort of speak as I was once taught and firmly believed. If we are taken out.... "how to learn??"

Death is not from God and He sent Jesus to defeat that foe for us. In this life., we humans are a needy and sad bunch on our own. It's sad how so many of us can get caught up in the stupidity of the flesh. It can take us years to learn a lesson. And the Lord is so patient. More than we are without being taught.

Just some thoughts to share with you Marc. And I appreciate your Biblical stand on these issues especially salvation by grace through faith. Many on CC have not been freed to walk in the unconditional love (grace) of God in Christ and still fear the gift of their eternal life taken by the weakness of their flesh.

A person who has been saved has a new spirit now and a NEED to walk out that newness of their life. The old man is gone so there is no satisfaction or peace or purpose anymore by their new man living in the old manner of life that they once had some success in. All things have become new.



 
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Joanie said....

chastisement is more about restoration to proper understanding
I wholeheartedly agree!

I have definitely learned this as well these past few years,

I had adopted some very unbiblical beliefs about the character of God and how He deals with His children

But He did restore me to proper understanding and I am so glad He did
 

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Joanie said....



I wholeheartedly agree!

I have definitely learned this as well these past few years,

I had adopted some very unbiblical beliefs about the character of God and how He deals with His children

But He did restore me to proper understanding and I am so glad He did


Amen to that sister! Was just commenting on another thread about how I used to think the Lord was going to show all my sins on a sort of super duper heavenly video camera for all the saints and angels from the beginning of time to watch. Mosses would be there along with David and all the Apostles and other top names among the faith., And I'd be there to feel and realize the shame of it all and all through time and eternity they would always know it was me who sinned so badly yet got to heaven.

We need to be cleansed or better said set FREE from our old manner of living and that has to start with our old manner of believing.
And that I've come to see is "repenting" meaning changing my mind and turning from old wrong thinking.
 
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Scripture tells us that we are saved by faith yet also says we need works to enter the kingdom. Yet we can never put our trust in ourselves as we are corruptible and if judged simply by our own merits, we would all fall short of the glory of Yah. Yet are we called to live a set apart/holy life in Yahshua, Messiah Himself says those that do the will of Yah will enter in and those who do not, will not enter in. Scripture is clear that it takes faith and works to enter the kingdom of Yah.

Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Yah."

Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.

John 14:21, “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 14:23, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him."

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the Commandments of Yah?”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Rom 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.

Rom 331, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin* still live in it?"

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; *for sin is the transgression of the Law."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."


Revelation 2:17, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I shall give him a white stone, and on the stone a renewed Name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”

Revelation 12:11, "“And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit......."
 

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Not so long ago I was first introduced to what that means even though I've been a believer since 1982. It's being IN Christ having Jesus be "our Person" standing in "for us". After that, it's a daily journey about seeing just how much Jesus actually stands in for us. Many Christians are like I was and still proceeded a head in life in and about "self"

When we were not saved., Adam was our stand-in guy. We went before God in Adam and were not even in God's beloved family. So all our righteousness's were as filthy rags. We didn't even do anything but be born and live and become aware of God. We didn't do any good things or bad things we were just in Adam and outside of Christ. So when we heard the Gospel of our salvation that Jesus went on the cross on our behalf and died shedding His blood we learned He paid for all our sins making us totally worthy to go before the Father and to be recipients of His grace and truth forever after.

I was reading yet again of how majorly important the knowledge of being righteous IN Christ is. Actually I read it daily and because it is so shockingly unearthly I often forget it in my human self if I don't read it daily and allow the Holy Spirit to minister to my spirit that I am a son of God. But the Bible says to be aware of Christ's obedience at the cross. Most of us are living lives of being aware of our own obedience.

We have been taught to look at 'our' obedience and it has become a religious past time. Actually it is fought about among people who are Christians every day. I see it on these forums on CC all the time and actually whenever I come here the forums are slathered with believers who fight to look at their own righteousness and want others to look at their own righteousness. And even believe it's unholy to look to Christ's obedience and not our own as our pass port to God's hand in everything we are and do in our lives here while on earth.

In reading yesterdays devotional it reminded me yet again and I neeed to be reminded again and again because in my humaness I am distorted and negative. The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 10:5

Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.

That verse does not mean as most of us have been taught from day one in our Christian lives to cast down arguments and evil things by learning to think like Jesus. No., that comes later. What that verse does mean is when we fail., when life is fearful and when things in this world become and are overwhelming bigger than our ability to fix in all areas of our lives personally., corporately and universally., the answer is to bring our thoughts into captivity and think instead about the obedience of Christ. Romans 5:19 says;

For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Many of us continue to be mislead into thinking it's by our obedience we have been made righteous. I see the devil do this all the time with people of faith. he wants us to look at ourselves and then he can freely condemn us because who knows better than us how loathsome we really are? Yet., because we are not IN Christ and 100% righteous and 100% IN the family now we are no longer our standard. Adam is no longer our standard bearer. Jesus is. There is no condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1-2 Because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

This truth will free the persons who take it to live a life of faith. And in that we will bear a lot of fruit because it's the fruit of the Spirit not the fruit of the flesh. In living by the Spirit we will be walking testimonies of what Jesus has done in our lives and the good works come as an effect of our right standing IN Christ. Not our right standing in ourselves.

I hope to challenge many here in the Bible forum to consider this and see how different your Christian life will be when you are actually looking to Jesus who is the Author and Finisher of our faith.







Reposting the 1st OP of this thread. It's hard for me to understand the mentality of mature believers who believe works will count for anything as our right standing with God. Righteousness is a gift we receive and it's impossible to earn by our works or our "earnest hearts" When God looks at us,, He sees His Son Jesus. He is our High Priest.

There is so much to know and say about this but I opt to simply repost my 1st post. Good and valuable works are evidences of Jesus footprint in our lives. If we do anything good., all glory goes to Him because without Him ... we....can...do....nothing. Working out by faith what Jesus works in us "is our reasonable service"

Many people do the works dance all through there lives and sweat and wear out and even die for all the work they try to do in their own strength thinking God is pleased. When in fact when we live out our Christian lives like that., we have nothing worthy to give to God. Those are the wood hay and stubble that the Bible talks about.

The righteous shall live by faith because that is how our new man lives and grows and thrives. Our new man can't live by the flesh. Our new man is who we are and to be true to who we are IN Christ (righteous) we walk by faith and not by sight.

The old man who is dead and gone lived by his wits. He was unrighteous because he was unsaved., un regenerated., unrighteous. The believer who has learned who they are in Christ knows he is righteous IN Christ and walks accordingly by faith by the workings of the Holy Spirit strengthening him in power by the inner man. And the works done are based on us realizing the truth of Galatians 2:20.
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20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [that is, in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body I live by faith [by adhering to, relying on, and completely trusting] in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.





 
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There is one real question, "Have you repented and accepted Christ forgiveness through the cross?"

If the answer is yes, and you have work through all your known sins, turned from them and walk
in love and Gods ways you are righteous, clean, Holy, mature, a saint in the Kingdom.

Many will claim this is impossible, but they are disbelievers who do not have faith in the power of
the cross and the forgiveness of our sins.

Once you are forgiven and washed, the past is washed away and forgotten.
We are not struggling to avoid certain things, but striving forward to learn how to love and think
the best of others and see how we can serve.
 

joaniemarie

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  1. For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
    - Romans 5:17
  2. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
    - 2 Corinthians 5:21
  3. ...that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection...
    - Philippians 3:8–10
  4. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.
    - Romans 4:5–6
  5. For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
    - Romans 4:13
  6. ...so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    - Romans 5:21
  7. Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.
    - Isaiah 41:10
  8. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
    - Romans 4:3
  9. For You, O Lord, will bless the righteous; with favor You will surround him as with a shield.
    - Psalm 5:12
  10. Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all.
    - Psalm 34:19
  11. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
    - Matthew 6:33
  12. Treasures of wickedness profit nothing, but righteousness delivers from death. The Lord will not allow the righteous soul to famish, but He casts away the desire of the wicked.
    - Proverbs 10:2–3
  13. Blessings are on the head of the righteous, but violence covers the mouth of the wicked. The memory of the righteous is blessed, but the name of the wicked will rot.
    - Proverbs 10:6–7
  14. The labor of the righteous leads to life, the wages of the wicked to sin.
    - Proverbs 10:16
  15. The fear of the wicked will come upon him, and the desire of the righteous will be granted.
    - Proverbs 10:24
  16. The hope of the righteous will be gladness, but the expectation of the wicked will perish.
    - Proverbs 10:28
  17. The righteous will never be removed, but the wicked will not inhabit the earth.
    - Proverbs 10:30
  18. In the way of righteousness is life, and in its pathway there is no death.
    - Proverbs 12:28
  19. Evil pursues sinners, but to the righteous, good shall be repaid. A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, but the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.
    - Proverbs 13:21–22
  20. The righteous eats to the satisfying of his soul, but the stomach of the wicked shall be in want.
    - Proverbs 13:25
  21. The righteous is delivered from trouble, and it comes to the wicked instead.
    - Proverbs 11:8
  22. Though they join forces, the wicked will not go unpunished; but the posterity of the righteous will be delivered.
    - Proverbs 11:21



Bible verses to keep in mind today about our righteous standing in Christ. Amen.
 
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MarcR

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Scripture tells us that we are saved by faith yet also says we need works to enter the kingdom. Yet we can never put our trust in ourselves as we are corruptible and if judged simply by our own merits, we would all fall short of the glory of Yah. Yet are we called to live a set apart/holy life in Yahshua, Messiah Himself says those that do the will of Yah will enter in and those who do not, will not enter in. Scripture is clear that it takes faith and works to enter the kingdom of Yah.

Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Yah."

Revelation 14:12, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of Yah and the belief of יהושע.

John 14:21, “He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 14:23, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him."

1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the Commandments of Yah?”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Rom 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.

Rom 331, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin* still live in it?"

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; *for sin is the transgression of the Law."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."

James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"

James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."

James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."


Revelation 2:17, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I shall give him a white stone, and on the stone a renewed Name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”

Revelation 12:11, "“And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."

John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit......."
There is no conflict between Eph 2:8-10 and Jsa 2.

Eph 2:8-9 tell us that there is absolutely nothing a person can do to earn or maintain Salvation.

Eph 2:10 tells that AFTER we come to Salvation Jesus has good works that He will do through our bodies.

James 2 tells us that if a person truly has saving faith; the works that Eph 2:10 tells us to expect will indeed be present; and if they are absent there is reason to ask yourself if you might be among those who think themselves saved and are not.

The works in any case are Jesus works in us not our works.
 
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