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A mans farther was praying for a German couple who where unbelievers, he then started praying in tongues and afterward it was revealed by the couple that he was praying in fluent German, and they were converted because of this.
now I don't have documentation for this, but I believe it because the the mans son is a preacher that I can find no fault with, whatever he states he has scripture to verify it. I believe he is one of a very few that really seeks the heart of God. so you want his name to scrutinize? Perry Stone
 
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by the way, cessationism was created due to the uprising of extreme Pentecostalism.
 
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I read a lot of threads on this site, and the labelling of people! Even when a man starts athread where he invites people to ask him questions, people come and the man answers them WITH ALL HIS HEART, they throw stones at teh man. Naming him evil things. And all the man did was share his faith! Now this peole came with MANY words, and just want to show how dirty the man is. But all they do is expose their insides, their heart. And it is FILTHY! So when i look at the two people and i value the LOVE is their statements, one seems very lovable, almost like Jesus. And the other seems very passionate but also very much like the serpant people! The ones that THINK they are doing God's will. but actually they do Satan's. Did God not say they will bring in FALSE witness! And that they will even kill you for His sake. Well so far I am an oustsider, but I see the Candian flag with the red leaf of peace, is covered with hatred! Why? Why all this accusations, thus far I find not one single fault with the man answering, but you are the ones that do not accept the answer, even if the man quote God! It is true, if the Word says... TWO PROPHETS in Revelation, only SATAN would want the word prophets removed! Satan removed MANY things from the Word. Even the word HOLY before men, in 2 Peter1:21. In many bibles. If I were Satan I would also make my own bible! I would have people question the Word of God ALL the time. I would put people out there to lable the Truth preachers. I would let woman preach! I would let false teachers go to Truth teachers and let them lable them ...from Satan's workshop... False teachers! Etc. But i would also realize... They will not distract the children of God! Because God said... MANY will be misled.. And I am Satan misleading many, but God also said ...IF IT WERE POSSIBLE ... to mislead the children of God... Why becasue they KNOW the TRUTH. And the Truth is GOD's Word...NOt the word of the labellers! So thus far if I, as an outsider look into the people on this thread, and God says to me, who would you like to be.. I would chose the ones that does not label! I would choose the ones with the patience! With the soft hearts, with the love in them, with the longsuffering even though they are called names, the ones that wre being tormented for what they believe, and their faith is STRAIGHT in line with the Word. I can see the ones that are more like Jesus with every post they post, and i can also see the ones that are further away from what they should be... Should the people on this sitre not be ONE? Oh no CC is not the church, CC is the battle ground. I wonder if the founders ever thought how many times Satan would visit this site? All I thank God for, is there are people here that does not go to ANY MAN for their teachings, they go TO GOD! There are to many people here quoting other people, other men, not HOLY MEN. and that is their problem. The ones that only REFERS to God's Word without twisting it to prove a silly point, but to SHOW TRUTH, those are the onesthat aspires to be holy and those are the ones that will grow in Faith. My question is this to 4 runner....
WHERE DO YOU GET ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL TRUTH FROM? AND HOW CAN YOU BE SO CALM WITH THIS BAD PEOPLE THAT CALL YOU ALL THESE THINGS? I can see a lot of JESUS in you, may you be conformed to HIS FULL STATURE IN LOVE, and may GOD MAKE YOU AN APOSTLE THAT CAN LAY HANDS ON ME AND BAPTIZE ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! MAY GOD BLESS YOU MORE ABUNDENTLY FOR HIS GLORY.
 
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Originally Posted by 4runner

Here is the best way to understand scripture.

1) Forget everything you thought you knew, and read it with a blank slate.

2) Believe the literal plain sense meaning of the scriptures.

3) Reject any belief that you were taught growing up or in church or in seminary, that does not line up with what the Bible actually teaches.

4) Most importantly ask the Holy Spirit to open you eyes to see, open your ears to hear, open you mind to understand, and open you heart to accept His truth

If you do these 4 simple things and you truly want to learn the truth, God will reveal His pure truth to you.

This is my hermeneutics, and I learned it from God.
4 easy steps to creating a cult.
Yep, believe the Bible and follow Jesus, that sound like a cult to me. Cant you see how ridiculous you sound Zone?
 
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i do not respect people who set themselves up as teachers, and are false through and through, are shown TRUTH and continue in their error.

i repsect people who LEARN.
From what I see you respect no one. At the very least you should respect yourself enough to not make a show of yourself. And maybe you could respect the others ho would like to participate in he original purpose of this thread?
 
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WHERE DO YOU GET ALL THIS BEAUTIFUL TRUTH FROM? AND HOW CAN YOU BE SO CALM WITH THIS BAD PEOPLE THAT CALL YOU ALL THESE THINGS?[
The bible
I can see a lot of JESUS in you, may you be conformed to HIS FULL STATURE IN LOVE, and may GOD MAKE YOU AN APOSTLE THAT CAN LAY HANDS ON ME AND BAPTIZE ME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! MAY GOD BLESS YOU MORE ABUNDENTLY FOR HIS GLORY.
I appreciate you kind words, and stand in agreement with your prayer.
 
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Here is the best way to understand scripture.

1) Forget everything you thought you knew, and read it with a blank slate.

2) Believe the literal plain sense meaning of the scriptures.

3) Reject any belief that you were taught growing up or in church or in seminary, that does not line up with what the Bible actually teaches.

4) Most importantly ask the Holy Spirit to open you eyes to see, open your ears to hear, open you mind to understand, and open you heart to accept His truth

If you do these 4 simple things and you truly want to learn the truth, God will reveal His pure truth to you.

This is my hermeneutics, and I learned it from God.
I am going to be as kind as I can be and communicate something you need to consider if you really want to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (2Pt 3:18). It is imperative that every believer be under a pastor-teacher that is experienced in the word and doctrine and has been called by God as an under-shepherd. Part of submitting ourselves under the mighty hand of God is being under those that have been called to have rule over you and are over you in the Lord (Eph 4:11-16, Heb 13:7,17,24, 1Thes 5:12, 1Cor 9:11-14, Acts 20:28, Acts 6:4). If you believe the scriptures then you must consider what they say concerning them that are over you in the Lord and having to give an account of you with joy and not grief (Heb 13:17).

1Pt 5:1-6 1 The elders which are among you I exhort , who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed : 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear , ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

This is instruction for every believer to take heed and apply to their own life and in their relationship to the living God. As a believer we can not usurp our position or our gifts above what we are instructed in these passages of scripture. God is looking for humility in the heart because He wants to give us grace so that we can grow and be nurtured in the truth, through the Spirit and in the body of Christ through His delegated authority that He has given the church which is represented by His mighty hand.

God has made it so, that we do not have to be an independent believer but one who is hid in the body of Christ and has come under the umbrella of God's mighty hand. It is better to have God's hand for us in the body of Christ under His delegated authority then to have his hand against us when we rebel and refuse to be under that authority. There is a reason that God has raised up pastor-teachers for the church and why we are to be under what God has given them to teach through the word and doctrine.

As a novice, I use to think that I did not need to heed the advice and wisdom of my pastor and that I needed to go though things on my own so that I could grow and be conformed into Christ's image. What I did not realize was that God put my pastor through these things so that I could have wisdom and avoid going through the same pitfalls my pastor went through. I recognized my attitude as pride and began to give more earnest heed to the wisdom and counsel that I heard, less it slip from me and I fall into a pit (Heb 2:1,4:2, Dan 2:20-23, Job 12:12,13).
 
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I am going to be as kind as I can be and communicate something you need to consider if you really want to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ (2Pt 3:18). It is imperative that every believer be under a pastor-teacher that is experienced in the word and doctrine and has been called by God as an under-shepherd. Part of submitting ourselves under the mighty hand of God is being under those that have been called to have rule over you and are over you in the Lord (Eph 4:11-16, Heb 13:7,17,24, 1Thes 5:12, 1Cor 9:11-14, Acts 20:28, Acts 6:4). If you believe the scriptures then you must consider what they say concerning them that are over you in the Lord and having to give an account of you with joy and not grief (Heb 13:17).

1Pt 5:1-6 1 The elders which are among you I exhort , who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed : 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear , ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

This is instruction for every believer to take heed and apply to their own life and in their relationship to the living God. As a believer we can not usurp our position or our gifts above what we are instructed in these passages of scripture. God is looking for humility in the heart because He wants to give us grace so that we can grow and be nurtured in the truth, through the Spirit and in the body of Christ through His delegated authority that He has given the church which is represented by His mighty hand.

God has made it so, that we do not have to be an independent believer but one who is hid in the body of Christ and has come under the umbrella of God's mighty hand. It is better to have God's hand for us in the body of Christ under His delegated authority then to have his hand against us when we rebel and refuse to be under that authority. There is a reason that God has raised up pastor-teachers for the church and why we are to be under what God has given them to teach through the word and doctrine.

As a novice, I use to think that I did not need to heed the advice and wisdom of my pastor and that I needed to go though things on my own so that I could grow and be conformed into Christ's image. What I did not realize was that God put my pastor through these things so that I could have wisdom and avoid going through the same pitfalls my pastor went through. I recognized my attitude as pride and began to give more earnest heed to the wisdom and counsel that I heard, less it slip from me and I fall into a pit (Heb 2:1,4:2, Dan 2:20-23, Job 12:12,13).
1st of all, having a mentor doesnt negate anything I said in the above post about how to understand scripture. 2ndly The word says we have no need that man teach us anything.

1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

So even though it is a good thing to know an elder that is well versed in the word, it is not a necessity. If your heart is pure, and wants to know God's truth, God is more than able to lead you into that truth.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Dont get me wrong teachers are part of the 5 fold ministry, I believe that is my calling, but the best way to know God is through His word, and anything taught to you that does not line up with His word need to be thrown out.
 
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1st of all, having a mentor doesnt negate anything I said in the above post about how to understand scripture. 2ndly The word says we have no need that man teach us anything.

1st John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

So even though it is a good thing to know an elder that is well versed in the word, it is not a necessity. If your heart is pure, and wants to know God's truth, God is more than able to lead you into that truth.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Dont get me wrong teachers are part of the 5 fold ministry, I believe that is my calling, but the best way to know God is through His word, and anything taught to you that does not line up with His word need to be thrown out.
Why do you refuse these verses? (Eph 4:11-16, Heb 13:7,17,24, 1Thes 5:12, 1Cor 9:11-14, Acts 20:28, Acts 6:4) You seem to think that it is not important for you to have someone over you in the Lord. You make no reference as to what these verses teach and they are very much a part of the whole counsel of God. You can not ignore them nor count them as obsolete. In (1Jn 2:27) the 'man' referred to is a 'carnal' or 'natural' man, who is not spiritually minded (Rom 8:6, 1Cor 2:10-16). The carnal or natural man would have nothing to teach you. The anointing is associated with the will of God for the spiritual man. The Holy Spirit that will teach you, will do so through the men that have been raised up and given to the church (Eph 4:11-16), who have the Spirit, who are approved of God and called by grace and not self-appointed or a novice.
 
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Why do you refuse these verses? (Eph 4:11-16, Heb 13:7,17,24, 1Thes 5:12, 1Cor 9:11-14, Acts 20:28, Acts 6:4) You seem to think that it is not important for you to have someone over you in the Lord. You make no reference as to what these verses teach and they are very much a part of the whole counsel of God. You can not ignore them nor count them as obsolete. In (1Jn 2:27) the 'man' referred to is a 'carnal' or 'natural' man, who is not spiritually minded (Rom 8:6, 1Cor 2:10-16). The carnal or natural man would have nothing to teach you. The anointing is associated with the will of God for the spiritual man. The Holy Spirit that will teach you, will do so through the men that have been raised up and given to the church (Eph 4:11-16), who have the Spirit, who are approved of God and called by grace and not self-appointed or a novice.
You must not have read what I wrote, and are here just to argue. i do not refuse those verses, I affirm then, and do believe that it is good to have a mentor of sorts.
(I myself am a teacher of the word, and a mentor to multiple disciples of Christ)

However these truths do not negate the truth I posted about how to understand scripture.


I think if you really want to understand my stance you would re-read this post, my last response to you, and the post I made about how to understand scripture, and accept every truth in all of them, not use one to try and negate the other.
 

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A mans farther was praying for a German couple who where unbelievers, he then started praying in tongues and afterward it was revealed by the couple that he was praying in fluent German, and they were converted because of this.
now I don't have documentation for this, but I believe it because the the mans son is a preacher that I can find no fault with, whatever he states he has scripture to verify it. I believe he is one of a very few that really seeks the heart of God. so you want his name to scrutinize? Perry Stone
this perry stone?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/perry_stone.htm
 

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by the way, cessationism was created due to the uprising of extreme Pentecostalism.
that's hilarious.
small sample...NO CHURCH FATHERS said anything other than the foundational gifts had CEASED. the Historical Church has NEVER looked for Apostolic POWER.

1. Clement of Rome - wrote a letter to the Corinthians in 95 A.D. discussing all of their spiritual problems. Tongues were never mentioned even though Corinth is the one place in the New Testament where tongues were apparently commonly used.

2. Justin Martyr - compiled a listing of spiritual gifts active in his time (A.D. 100-165) and did not include the gift of tongues.

3. Origen - never mentioned tongues and even argued that the "signs" of the Apostolic Age were temporary and that no contemporary Christian exercised any of these early "sign" gifts. (A.D. 185-253). He professes to have been an eye-witness of many instances of exorcism, healing, and prophecy, although he refuses to record the details lest he should rouse the laughter of the unbeliever (Cent. Cels., I, ii; III, xxiv; VII, iv, lxvii).

4. Chrysostom - writing on 1 Corinthians and the gift of tongues said, "This whole place is very obscure: but the obscurity is produced by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now no longer take place. And why do they not happen now?Why look now, the cause too of the obscurity hath produced us again another question: namely, why did they then happen, and now do so no more?." (A.D. 347-407). [1]

5. Augustine - comments on Acts 2:4: "In the earliest times, "the Holy Ghost fell upon them that believed: and they spake with tongues," which they had not learned, "as the Spirit gave them utterance." These were signs adapted to the time. For there behooved to be that betokening of the Holy Spirit in all tongues, to shew that the Gospel of God was to run through all tongues over the whole earth. That thing was done for a betokening, and it passed away." [2]

6. Augustine - "For those that are baptized do not now receive the Spirit on the imposition of hands, so as to speak in the tongues of all the peoples; neither are the sick healed by the shadow of the preachers of Christ falling on them as they pass; and other such things as were then done, are now manifestly ceased." Retractions I xiii 7


you believe the masses if you want to. i suspect we are entering satan's litte season.

Cessationism today

Cessationism, however, is a doctrine that is generally perceived to be in retreat even among conservative and Evangelical Christians. Among theologians more to the left, cessationism is a non-issue. According to a Gallup poll (which Gallup poll, when?), 89% of Americans affirm that "Even today God performs miracles by his power." The explosive growth of charismatic Pentecostalism (those who believe and practice the so-called "extra-ordinary" or "miraculous" spiritual gifts), approaching one billion adherents world-wide, has largely undercut the appeal of cessationism. However, a powerful argument against this popular shift in thinking sounds something like "...along with being able to speak real foreign languages, the apostles were able to perform verifiable healings and even raising of the dead. Many of the stunts and performances performed as sign-gifts appear to be no more than play acting since, on average, these adherants do not live longer than other people with similar lifestyles, or visit the hospital less than other and they certainly do not rise from the dead."

Cessationism at AllExperts
 

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So when i look at the two people and i value the LOVE is their statements, one seems very lovable, almost like Jesus. .
go back to the first (and all) posts by the one who is "like Jesus".
then come and say the same.
 

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Yep, believe the Bible and follow Jesus, that sound like a cult to me. Cant you see how ridiculous you sound Zone?
following those steps if one is not trying to overthrow the foundation already laid is great.
what's that got to do with 4runner?
 
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You must not have read what I wrote, and are here just to argue. i do not refuse those verses, I affirm then, and do believe that it is good to have a mentor of sorts.
(I myself am a teacher of the word, and a mentor to multiple disciples of Christ)

However these truths do not negate the truth I posted about how to understand scripture.


I think if you really want to understand my stance you would re-read this post, my last response to you, and the post I made about how to understand scripture, and accept every truth in all of them, not use one to try and negate the other.
I will ask you directly. I am not talking about a mentor. Do you have a pastor-teacher that is over you in the Lord, one who you follow his teachings and obey and pray for and submit to in the Lord? One who has an assembly of believers that he has been given the oversight and you also submit yourself to one another in that assembly. This is what the scriptures teach and it not meant for argument but for instruction and edification in the truth. Either you have these things in your life as a believer and practice them by faith or you don't. We need to have an understanding and practice of all the scriptures that pertain to a godly life that is producing God's fruit through the grace of God in a local assembly.
 
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I will ask you directly. I am not talking about a mentor. Do you have a pastor-teacher that is over you in the Lord, one who you follow his teachings and obey and pray for and submit to in the Lord?
No, i have a couple of good godly Christ like men that i allow to spreak into my life, but I follow Christ and Him alone with I follow.
One who has an assembly of believers that he has been given the oversight and you also submit yourself to one another in that assembly
I attend an Fellowship, I also have two separate group of believers that fellowship at my home.

This is what the scriptures teach and it not meant for argument but for instruction and edification in the truth.
Yes we are not to forsake the assembling together, and we are to submit one to another, learning and teaching truth
Either you have these things in your life as a believer and practice them by faith or you don't.
Either way it wouldnt change the word or how we are to understand it.

We need to have an understanding and practice of all the scriptures that pertain to a godly life that is producing God's fruit through the grace of God in a local assembly.
We are to produce good fruit, and understand scripture regardless of what a pastor or assembly believes or does.
 
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When did you become a Christian and what led you to that decision?:)
 
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When did you become a Christian and what led you to that decision?:)
In 2003, and I posted the short version of my testimony on the first page

That is somewhat a long story, long story short. I was brought up in church, but never served the Lord. I went to church one day with my mother after not going in about 10 yrs, and accepted Him as my Savior. At that time i was a drug dealer, and user. I ask the Lord to deliver me from crack which He did, but I continued to sell weed, drink, sleep around ect... all along still attending church each Sunday. I starting smoking crack again. One late night/ early morning i asked the Lord. ''I thought you delivered me?'' He answered ''I did, but you kept selling drugs, drinking, sleeping around ect... you gave me nothing in return. Either give it all to me or you have given nothing to me at all'' At that point i decided to give my life completely to the Lord. I stopped every cold turkey, and have been a faithful follower of Christ every since
I was 29, I am 37 now. I know many believed I was 26, that is some type of a typo. Also I am not single I am married, and have two sons. My oldest is 14 from an ex-girlfriend from before I was saved, and my youngest from my wife just turned 5. My wife and I will be celebrating our 6th anniversary this month.