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That is great! Some will throw the baby out because of this wrong "application" of some of God's truth. Not a wise thing to be doing.
I believe 100% in healing and I would rather die than say that God does not want to heal me. I would confess until I died that Jesus is my Healer whether I saw it or not.
I could be thinking in my own mind that " if I say it enough times - it'll happen" but that is not true faith and if it was a sickness unto death - I would die and I would be face to face with my loving Lord but that would never change who He is nor what He has accomplished for me.
Jesus is perfect theology.
If we want to see the Father's will - look to Jesus and how He did the will of the Father while He was on this earth manifesting the Father. Jesus said - It was the Father in Jesus doing His works.
If I want to see how God chastises His children - I look to Jesus and how He dealt with His disciples while He was on this earth.
If I want to see how the Father views healing - I look to Jesus and what Jesus did while on this earth.
If I want to see how the Father views sinners - I look to Jesus and how He interacted with them.
If I want to see how the Father is towards self-righteous religious people - I look to Jesus and how He was towards them.
I believe 100% in healing and I would rather die than say that God does not want to heal me. I would confess until I died that Jesus is my Healer whether I saw it or not.
I could be thinking in my own mind that " if I say it enough times - it'll happen" but that is not true faith and if it was a sickness unto death - I would die and I would be face to face with my loving Lord but that would never change who He is nor what He has accomplished for me.
Jesus is perfect theology.
If we want to see the Father's will - look to Jesus and how He did the will of the Father while He was on this earth manifesting the Father. Jesus said - It was the Father in Jesus doing His works.
If I want to see how God chastises His children - I look to Jesus and how He dealt with His disciples while He was on this earth.
If I want to see how the Father views healing - I look to Jesus and what Jesus did while on this earth.
If I want to see how the Father views sinners - I look to Jesus and how He interacted with them.
If I want to see how the Father is towards self-righteous religious people - I look to Jesus and how He was towards them.
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If the reason you think it was written for is "we must wait for healing to come true", then I do not see it in this passage. He did not wait for anything. It was few sentences.
He did not even have to prove his faith by walking half-blind and proclaiming "I am healed, I can see perfectly" or something like that.
So what do you propose this passage should mean?
He did not even have to prove his faith by walking half-blind and proclaiming "I am healed, I can see perfectly" or something like that.
So what do you propose this passage should mean?
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NEEDS:
"All my needs are met according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus"
The issue with this verse (Phiippians 4:19) is that people often focus on the word "ALL" instead of the word "NEED".
We NEED to have the correct definition of NEED.
: )
In the SAME CHAPTER, God gives us more insight into what our NEEDS REALLY ARE.
We find that GOD'S concept of our needs is often very different than OUR concept of our needs.
In Philippian 4:12, just a few verses earlier, Paul talks about how God has allowed him to suffer loss, and humiliation, and hunger.. and to suffer all manner of physical needs.
It seems that God has "NEEDS" that outweigh our "NEEDS"
It seems that God has his OWN definition of NEED, that is higher than ours.
It seems that God has different PRIORITIES than we do.
Although God is certainly CONCERNED with out physical needs,
God seems to put OTHER NEEDS ABOVE OUR PHYSICAL NEEDS.
- God seems to put our SPIRITUAL GROWTH (which often comes through suffering),
ABOVE our physical needs.
- God also seems to put the preaching of the GOSPEL above our physical needs.
- God, in other passages, puts the MINISTRY TO THE BRETHREN above our physical needs.
The truth is, although God does care about our physical needs,
he gives MANY THINGS a HIGHER PRIORITY than our physical needs.
Although God does love us, and God often desires to bless us with abundance...
God has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION to just give us everything we ask for.
In the same exact chapter, we even find this verse.
"... I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
Philippians 4:11
Biblically, we have no ability to "call things into existence" with our words... as this would OVERRIDE God's sovereignty, as a wise and protective parent.
-- We do however, have the great ability to ask the creator of the universe to bless us...
and he then, like a wise parent, gives us those things which he thinks are best for us.
-- And like a wise parent, sometimes what he gives us is NOT what we ask for.
"All my needs are met according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus"
The issue with this verse (Phiippians 4:19) is that people often focus on the word "ALL" instead of the word "NEED".
We NEED to have the correct definition of NEED.
: )
In the SAME CHAPTER, God gives us more insight into what our NEEDS REALLY ARE.
We find that GOD'S concept of our needs is often very different than OUR concept of our needs.
In Philippian 4:12, just a few verses earlier, Paul talks about how God has allowed him to suffer loss, and humiliation, and hunger.. and to suffer all manner of physical needs.
It seems that God has "NEEDS" that outweigh our "NEEDS"
It seems that God has his OWN definition of NEED, that is higher than ours.
It seems that God has different PRIORITIES than we do.
Although God is certainly CONCERNED with out physical needs,
God seems to put OTHER NEEDS ABOVE OUR PHYSICAL NEEDS.
- God seems to put our SPIRITUAL GROWTH (which often comes through suffering),
ABOVE our physical needs.
- God also seems to put the preaching of the GOSPEL above our physical needs.
- God, in other passages, puts the MINISTRY TO THE BRETHREN above our physical needs.
The truth is, although God does care about our physical needs,
he gives MANY THINGS a HIGHER PRIORITY than our physical needs.
Although God does love us, and God often desires to bless us with abundance...
God has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION to just give us everything we ask for.
In the same exact chapter, we even find this verse.
"... I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
Philippians 4:11
Biblically, we have no ability to "call things into existence" with our words... as this would OVERRIDE God's sovereignty, as a wise and protective parent.
-- We do however, have the great ability to ask the creator of the universe to bless us...
and he then, like a wise parent, gives us those things which he thinks are best for us.
-- And like a wise parent, sometimes what he gives us is NOT what we ask for.
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i dont disagree with someone being blessed with prosperity. i disagree with church leaders encouraging people to serve with all your heart so you can be blessed with riches.
Jesus taught against riches many many many times. IMO its a good rule of thumb to not even bring prosperity into the equation. its misleading.
Jesus taught against riches many many many times. IMO its a good rule of thumb to not even bring prosperity into the equation. its misleading.
Hisholly,
All you need to do is read the entire chapter.
In the same chapter that it says "God will supply all our needs"...
it gives much explanation as to what this means.
All we have to do is read.
There are many other passages that also explain these things.
God DOES love to bless his children... but God's priorities are often HIGHER, and DIFFERENT than ours.
Isaiah 55:9
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
All you need to do is read the entire chapter.
In the same chapter that it says "God will supply all our needs"...
it gives much explanation as to what this means.
All we have to do is read.
There are many other passages that also explain these things.
God DOES love to bless his children... but God's priorities are often HIGHER, and DIFFERENT than ours.
Isaiah 55:9
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Here are some other places where the same Greek word for "need" was used as in Phil. 4:19.
Here the word is used in connection to healing.
Luke 9:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Here is the word is used in connection to food.
Mark 2:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Here the word is used in connection of the Lord "need" for a donkey - which is a physical thing.
Mark 11:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
Here the word is used for things that the disciples "need" for a feast. What?..a feast?....must be a mis-print...
John 13:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
Here it is being used again for physical needs.
Ephesians 4:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.
There are lot's more but I think we get the point of the meaning of the word "needs". God is our source for all things that we need and a lot of times He uses people to manifest His provision - sometimes He uses other methods like birds to Elijah...or just miraculous events like manna.
He is God and He chooses His own method. We don't tell Him how it is going to be done. We just trust that He has it all under control and that He is a loving Father who will do what He says He will do. We can rest in Him.
Here the word is used in connection to healing.
Luke 9:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
Here is the word is used in connection to food.
Mark 2:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Here the word is used in connection of the Lord "need" for a donkey - which is a physical thing.
Mark 11:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
Here the word is used for things that the disciples "need" for a feast. What?..a feast?....must be a mis-print...
John 13:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
Here it is being used again for physical needs.
Ephesians 4:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.
There are lot's more but I think we get the point of the meaning of the word "needs". God is our source for all things that we need and a lot of times He uses people to manifest His provision - sometimes He uses other methods like birds to Elijah...or just miraculous events like manna.
He is God and He chooses His own method. We don't tell Him how it is going to be done. We just trust that He has it all under control and that He is a loving Father who will do what He says He will do. We can rest in Him.
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I never said that "He absolutely won't do something."
I said that God does as HE pleases, and does as HE wills.
He answers our prayers according to HIS will,and according to what HE believes is best.
As a parent, would you give your children EVERYTHING they ask for?
- Would you give you children candy for breakfast?
- Would you let your children stay up all night when they have school in the morning?
- Would you let your children go to bed without brushing their teeth?
- Would you let your children smoke cigarettes, or drink vodka, or stay out all night... or just do anything weird that popped into their heads?
OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T !!!
God is a good parent.
God is the BEST parent.
Just as YOU would never give your children everything they ask for... neither would God.
I said that God does as HE pleases, and does as HE wills.
He answers our prayers according to HIS will,and according to what HE believes is best.
As a parent, would you give your children EVERYTHING they ask for?
- Would you give you children candy for breakfast?
- Would you let your children stay up all night when they have school in the morning?
- Would you let your children go to bed without brushing their teeth?
- Would you let your children smoke cigarettes, or drink vodka, or stay out all night... or just do anything weird that popped into their heads?
OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T !!!
God is a good parent.
God is the BEST parent.
Just as YOU would never give your children everything they ask for... neither would God.
Amen....well said....people have a tendency to trust in riches. They can be deceitful. God is not against this children having riches - He is against riches having His children.
People can have their faith in what they have for their source when it is only God that is our true source for all things. Poor people can be just as guilty of being covetous as rich people too.
Joseph of Arimathaea was a rich disciple of Jesus - Jesus never reprimanded him for it. God used his riches to provide for Jesus' tomb.
Matthew 27:57 (KJV)
[SUP]57 [/SUP] When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
People can have their faith in what they have for their source when it is only God that is our true source for all things. Poor people can be just as guilty of being covetous as rich people too.
Joseph of Arimathaea was a rich disciple of Jesus - Jesus never reprimanded him for it. God used his riches to provide for Jesus' tomb.
Matthew 27:57 (KJV)
[SUP]57 [/SUP] When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Here are my exact words from post #205
"God has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION to just give us everything we ask for."
That, unfortunately, is biblical.
As a good parent, you would never just give your children everything they ask for.
As a good parent, God would not give his children everything they ask for.
Why?
Humans are fallen, we are sinful, we often ask for things which are not the best things.
You withhold some things from your children because they would do harm to themselves.
God withholds some things from us because we would do harm to ourselves.
And sometimes, just because God has UNSEEN, and HIGHER PURPOSES...
he even withholds something that seems good.
Because he is God, and we are not.
"God has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION to just give us everything we ask for."
That, unfortunately, is biblical.
As a good parent, you would never just give your children everything they ask for.
As a good parent, God would not give his children everything they ask for.
Why?
Humans are fallen, we are sinful, we often ask for things which are not the best things.
You withhold some things from your children because they would do harm to themselves.
God withholds some things from us because we would do harm to ourselves.
And sometimes, just because God has UNSEEN, and HIGHER PURPOSES...
he even withholds something that seems good.
Because he is God, and we are not.
HisHolly,
Even a friend doesn't give a friend EVERYTHING they ask for.
That doesn't work either.
I've had friends with drug problems... and when they came to me asking me to buy them drugs, I did NOT get them drugs... I got them into rehab.
People are fallen creatures, and they do NOT always ask for the right things.
Even a friend doesn't give a friend EVERYTHING they ask for.
That doesn't work either.
I've had friends with drug problems... and when they came to me asking me to buy them drugs, I did NOT get them drugs... I got them into rehab.
People are fallen creatures, and they do NOT always ask for the right things.
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