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God does NOT always give us what we ask for.
Here is a passage where Paul prays, and asks God to remove his "thorn in the flesh"...
and God REFUSES HIS PRAYER.
God refuses the prayer because SOMETIMES God wants us to have TROUBLE and ADVERSITY in order to show HIS GLORY in OUR WEAKNESS.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
God did NOT give Paul what he asked for.
Here is a passage where Paul prays, and asks God to remove his "thorn in the flesh"...
and God REFUSES HIS PRAYER.
God refuses the prayer because SOMETIMES God wants us to have TROUBLE and ADVERSITY in order to show HIS GLORY in OUR WEAKNESS.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
God did NOT give Paul what he asked for.
According to the scripture, YOU do not have the ability to ALWAYS ask for the right things.
We are fallen creatures, and we are incapable of ALWAYS asking for the right things.
Our own hearts are deceitful... meaning we can sometimes deceive ourselves.
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
And even when we DO ask for the right things... God may CHOOSE to withhold a good thing, because he has some higher purpose.
We are fallen creatures, and we are incapable of ALWAYS asking for the right things.
Our own hearts are deceitful... meaning we can sometimes deceive ourselves.
Jeremiah 17:9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
And even when we DO ask for the right things... God may CHOOSE to withhold a good thing, because he has some higher purpose.
I think because there has been some mis-use done in the past or the "perception" of what people are saying could be off too. Sometimes we get glimpses of truths and we need more light to view them in more fullness in order to be able to participate in them.
I do believe that as we grow in the Lord - He will put those desires in our hearts because we are one with Him in the spirit. We can also ask for things in our own lusts that will not get answered because it would do us more harm as the other brother ( maxwel ) was saying.
Anything that doesn't originate from our spirit where we are one with the Lord will not be the desire of the Lord and with that will not come any real faith to bring about things in manifestation.
As we grow in the Lord - His desires in us will manifest more and more in a more mature way because we are able to handle them.
What may be good and from the Lord for one person - doesn't necessarily apply to other people. The Lord deals with us as individual beloved children and He is a loving Father.
No one can say with certainty what the thorn was... it isn't clear.
There is no evidence that this "thorn in the flesh" is specifically referring to persecution... you can make that assumption... but it is only assumption.
Although Paul DID have persecution, Paul also had PHYSICAL AILMENTS, like a problem with his eyes, which somehow, mysteriously, he did not seem able to heal.
There is no evidence that this "thorn in the flesh" is specifically referring to persecution... you can make that assumption... but it is only assumption.
Although Paul DID have persecution, Paul also had PHYSICAL AILMENTS, like a problem with his eyes, which somehow, mysteriously, he did not seem able to heal.
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But Paul brought a man back to life.. Paul was shown the things he would suffer.. I never understand why folks want us to use the him as a standard in suffering when he was told he'd have many.. The Apostles of that time were known to have to go through things so that generation would have the blood of all them and previous on their hands..
yeah let define it.
[h=1]Philippians 4King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
now lets break this passage down
Paul here is talking about how in his missionary journey that witch he has encountered. how he has encountered all things and in all things he has a peace knowing the character of God. then he also states to make every need known to God. and then to trust in God and think on what is Good. then he goes on to commend the Philippians on meeting his NEEDS. heis telling them to make there prayers known, trust God and seek His will, and your needs will be met.
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[h=1]Philippians 4King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.[/FONT]
[FONT="]9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction.[/FONT]
[FONT="]15 Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.[/FONT]
[FONT="]16 For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.[/FONT]
[FONT="]17 Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account.[/FONT]
[FONT="]18 But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
now lets break this passage down
Paul here is talking about how in his missionary journey that witch he has encountered. how he has encountered all things and in all things he has a peace knowing the character of God. then he also states to make every need known to God. and then to trust in God and think on what is Good. then he goes on to commend the Philippians on meeting his NEEDS. heis telling them to make there prayers known, trust God and seek His will, and your needs will be met.
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. But this is my assumption just like it is your assumption he had an ailment.Paul makes it very clear that even AFTER being saved, and becoming a NEW CREATURE, he still struggled with sin.
Paul did not always have right thoughts, and he did not always do right things.
After you are saved you still sin at times, and still have bad thoughts at times, and still, therefore, make bad choices.
You never reach a point where you are SO PERFECT that you NO LONGER NEED GOD ACTING AS A WISE PARENT.
We still sin, and make wrong choices, after we are saved.
Therefore God, as a wise parent, CANNOT just give us everything we ask for.
Here Paul is talking about his continual struggle with sin, and how he sometimes still sins, and does the wrong things:
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Paul did not always have right thoughts, and he did not always do right things.
After you are saved you still sin at times, and still have bad thoughts at times, and still, therefore, make bad choices.
You never reach a point where you are SO PERFECT that you NO LONGER NEED GOD ACTING AS A WISE PARENT.
We still sin, and make wrong choices, after we are saved.
Therefore God, as a wise parent, CANNOT just give us everything we ask for.
Here Paul is talking about his continual struggle with sin, and how he sometimes still sins, and does the wrong things:
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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Paul got stoned to either death and was raised again or almost death before he went to preach in Galatia where he said that " they were willing to pluck their own eyes out for him". I would imagine he looked horrible after a stoning - black and blue- eyes swollen - cuts on him. Not a very pleasant sight.
Here is the story of what events caused Paul to even be there in the first place.
Acts 14:19–21 Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead. However, when the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch.
This is the account of why Paul stayed in Galatia so long. He was planning on leaving the area but because of his stoning couldn't leave for a while. He stayed long enough to make many disciples. He must have been severely injured to need so long to recover.
Here is the story of what events caused Paul to even be there in the first place.
Acts 14:19–21 Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead. However, when the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch.
This is the account of why Paul stayed in Galatia so long. He was planning on leaving the area but because of his stoning couldn't leave for a while. He stayed long enough to make many disciples. He must have been severely injured to need so long to recover.
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