AT LAST..THE DEBATE CAN END..THE FATAL MISTAKE IS EXPOSED..

[Devolution]

Hello all,

Finally we can put to bed a certain false doctrine being pushed onto us so aggressively...which undermines Gods written Word severely. And hopefully now, such terrible accusations of heresy etc amongst many other personal insults can stop. God has this day vindicated those of us who upheld His truth in the face of such hateful wrath and malice. May His truth always prevail...as has happened this day.

We all know the story...
10 Kings set up a global system..(rev 13:1-8)
Then the False Prophet arises amongst the 10 kings & marks the people..(rev 13:16)
The wrath of God begins on those with the mark..(rev 16:1-2)
Then comes Armageddon (rev 16:12-16)
Jesus returns (rev 19:11-16)
The beast & the False Prophet who released the mark are destroyed by Jesus Christ and thrown into the lake of fire (rev 19:19-21)
THEN Satan is locked up (rev 20:1-3)
And after the resurrection etc, the 1000 years of teaching begins..the millennium.
THEN Satan is released for a short time...(rev 20:7)

Now for the fatal flaw in that strange doctrine being so angrily forced upon us...i will leave out the insults...

at the END, AFTER the salvation time termed a thousand years, satan is released for a little season to deceive: meaning slavation can't happen then because people are deceived; sent strong delsusion by God to make them believe the lie they loved; and the mark is enforced.

the short space/a little season is just before the Second Advent IN JUDGMENT.

eternal life follows for the saved.

NOT HARD. (and not some hollywood future 1,000 years).

See it? Look again below...

AFTER the salvation time termed a thousand years, satan is released for a little season to deceive: meaning slavation can't happen then because people are deceived; sent strong delsusion by God to make them believe the lie they loved; and the mark is enforced.

Notice that strange doctrine said that AFTER the 1000 years Satan is released & THEN he releases the MARK !!! Just remember this statement...

So here below is the proof of that fatal error in scripture that was used against us, which unknowingly to the provider, undid this strange doctrine in the process...i have enlarged & highlighted it for you...

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There, debate OVER.

How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years as that doctrine claims when the ones responsible for RELEASING the MARK in the first place are ALREADY PUNISHED & are ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE !!!!

Again: THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR RELEASING THE MARK ARE ALREADY DEALT WITH !!! AGAIN: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...SO Satan is destroyed...but WHO was destroyed BEFORE him?....: where the beast and the false prophet are !! Where the beast & the False Prophet are ALREADY..

SO,See revelation 19:11-21.. FIRST: Jesus' 2nd coming...SECOND: the beast & the false prophet taken & thrown into the lake of fire...THIRD: (rev 20:1-3) Satan locked up...FOURTH: Those who DENIED the mark reign with Christ 1000 years...FIFTH: (rev 20:7) Satan RELEASED...ETC...

This means that the mark is PAST, done, over, fulfilled. So how can Satan release the MARK of the beast when it ALREADY HAPPENED? For the ones who released that MARK are already punished. And they only get punished AFTER all the people are marked...punished & taken at Armageddon !!! BEFORE the 1000 years BEGINS. Which of course can ONLY mean ONE THING...That the FUTURE millennium is upheld and that this doctrine is now EXPOSED beyond a shadow of doubt as WRONG and CONFLICTING with Gods Word.

So there you have it. we ALL know NOW through that declaration, understanding that doctrine clearly at last, more than ever before...We NOW have the right angle to provide many more scriptures to silence that erroneous doctrine...that is, IF reason does not prevail...i won't rub it in by providing them now...but we are now armed to the teeth if needed. Praise the Lord !!

So in conclusion,This is a perfect example why we MUST concentrate on the BIBLE only. See how easily it is to be deceived by BOOKS and doctrines? And these are TRAINED LEARNED MEN etc making such simple mistakes !! And the person who followed this doctrine is NOT stupid either. So PLEASE...the bible is all we need..for it is the written Word...and believe me, His Word is SUFFICIENT.

Regards
Devolution.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

doctrines of men can be scary like the book of Judas or barnabas,,,,What??? why push this in my face saying i must believe......it isnt even in the bible. Arguing isn't the answer nor is Insulting anyone....it an't good either.

 

[AnandaHya]

hmmm i'm going to have to reread revelations and pray about it all. In the end let God's truth stand and all men (who do not agree with the Word of God) be called liars. mmm again thanks Devolution I will have to look into this debate further and wait for God's answer of why there is so much debate about it all.

 

[Scotth1960]

Hello all,

Finally we can put to bed a certain false doctrine being pushed onto us so aggressively...which undermines Gods written Word severely. And hopefully now, such terrible accusations of heresy etc amongst many other personal insults can stop. God has this day vindicated those of us who upheld His truth in the face of such hateful wrath and malice. May His truth always prevail...as has happened this day.

We all know the story...
10 Kings set up a global system..(rev 13:1-8)
Then the False Prophet arises amongst the 10 kings & marks the people..(rev 13:16)
The wrath of God begins on those with the mark..(rev 16:1-2)
Then comes Armageddon (rev 16:12-16)
Jesus returns (rev 19:11-16)
The beast & the False Prophet who released the mark are destroyed by Jesus Christ and thrown into the lake of fire (rev 19:19-21)
THEN Satan is locked up (rev 20:1-3)
And after the resurrection etc, the 1000 years of teaching begins..the millennium.
THEN Satan is released for a short time...(rev 20:7)

Now for the fatal flaw in that strange doctrine being so angrily forced upon us...i will leave out the insults...

See it? Look again below...

Notice that strange doctrine said that AFTER the 1000 years Satan is released & THEN he releases the MARK !!! Just remember this statement...

So here below is the proof of that fatal error in scripture that was used against us, which unknowingly to the provider, undid this strange doctrine in the process...i have enlarged & highlighted it for you...

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There, debate OVER.

How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years as that doctrine claims when the ones responsible for RELEASING the MARK in the first place are ALREADY PUNISHED & are ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE !!!!

Again: THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR RELEASING THE MARK ARE ALREADY DEALT WITH !!! AGAIN: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...SO Satan is destroyed...but WHO was destroyed BEFORE him?....: where the beast and the false prophet are !! Where the beast & the False Prophet are ALREADY..

SO,See revelation 19:11-21.. FIRST: Jesus' 2nd coming...SECOND: the beast & the false prophet taken & thrown into the lake of fire...THIRD: (rev 20:1-3) Satan locked up...FOURTH: Those who DENIED the mark reign with Christ 1000 years...FIFTH: (rev 20:7) Satan RELEASED...ETC...

This means that the mark is PAST, done, over, fulfilled. So how can Satan release the MARK of the beast when it ALREADY HAPPENED? For the ones who released that MARK are already punished. And they only get punished AFTER all the people are marked...punished & taken at Armageddon !!! BEFORE the 1000 years BEGINS. Which of course can ONLY mean ONE THING...That the FUTURE millennium is upheld and that this doctrine is now EXPOSED beyond a shadow of doubt as WRONG and CONFLICTING with Gods Word.

So there you have it. we ALL know NOW through that declaration, understanding that doctrine clearly at last, more than ever before...We NOW have the right angle to provide many more scriptures to silence that erroneous doctrine...that is, IF reason does not prevail...i won't rub it in by providing them now...but we are now armed to the teeth if needed. Praise the Lord !!

So in conclusion,This is a perfect example why we MUST concentrate on the BIBLE only. See how easily it is to be deceived by BOOKS and doctrines? And these are TRAINED LEARNED MEN etc making such simple mistakes !! And the person who followed this doctrine is NOT stupid either. So PLEASE...the bible is all we need..for it is the written Word...and believe me, His Word is SUFFICIENT.

Regards
Devolution.

Friend, It is better not to try to

study the book of Revelation

too much. Countless sincere

individuals have tried to

understand every last verse of

the 22 chapters of this last NT

book and have FAILED. You

haven't succeeded in

understanding it, and neither

have I. The warning in the

book against misinterpreting

the book should stand. In

other words: Stay away from

this book unless you know

what you are talking about.

Few men have approached this

book and really understood 100

percent of what's in this

mysterious, sealed book. It's

not yet possible to unseal it.

Take care. In Erie PA Scott R.

Harrington

 

[Devolution]

I just want to say, i did not post this to gloat. I posted this for all the people who have been severely insulted and mocked for opposing that other doctrine. The insults were extremely unfair and unwarranted. This debate has been going some time now, and all of us who opposed it endured much taunting. Yes, a couple of times we reacted poorly to the insults through raw emotion, we erred in this. I will admit that. But again, when we know beyond doubt that something is wrong, it is our duty to stand up. The only regret is that only a small number of us actually did stand up...especially when under unfair personal attacks...we stood alone...

To the small handful that stood up to the plate...well done.

 

[wakeup]

Hello all,

Finally we can put to bed a certain false doctrine being pushed onto us so aggressively...which undermines Gods written Word severely. And hopefully now, such terrible accusations of heresy etc amongst many other personal insults can stop. God has this day vindicated those of us who upheld His truth in the face of such hateful wrath and malice. May His truth always prevail...as has happened this day.

We all know the story...
10 Kings set up a global system..(rev 13:1-8)
Then the False Prophet arises amongst the 10 kings & marks the people..(rev 13:16)
The wrath of God begins on those with the mark..(rev 16:1-2)
Then comes Armageddon (rev 16:12-16)
Jesus returns (rev 19:11-16)
The beast & the False Prophet who released the mark are destroyed by Jesus Christ and thrown into the lake of fire (rev 19:19-21)
THEN Satan is locked up (rev 20:1-3)
And after the resurrection etc, the 1000 years of teaching begins..the millennium.
THEN Satan is released for a short time...(rev 20:7)

Now for the fatal flaw in that strange doctrine being so angrily forced upon us...i will leave out the insults...

See it? Look again below...

Notice that strange doctrine said that AFTER the 1000 years Satan is released & THEN he releases the MARK !!! Just remember this statement...

So here below is the proof of that fatal error in scripture that was used against us, which unknowingly to the provider, undid this strange doctrine in the process...i have enlarged & highlighted it for you...

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There, debate OVER.

How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years as that doctrine claims when the ones responsible for RELEASING the MARK in the first place are ALREADY PUNISHED & are ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE !!!!

Again: THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR RELEASING THE MARK ARE ALREADY DEALT WITH !!! AGAIN: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...SO Satan is destroyed...but WHO was destroyed BEFORE him?....: where the beast and the false prophet are !! Where the beast & the False Prophet are ALREADY..

SO,See revelation 19:11-21.. FIRST: Jesus' 2nd coming...SECOND: the beast & the false prophet taken & thrown into the lake of fire...THIRD: (rev 20:1-3) Satan locked up...FOURTH: Those who DENIED the mark reign with Christ 1000 years...FIFTH: (rev 20:7) Satan RELEASED...ETC...

This means that the mark is PAST, done, over, fulfilled. So how can Satan release the MARK of the beast when it ALREADY HAPPENED? For the ones who released that MARK are already punished. And they only get punished AFTER all the people are marked...punished & taken at Armageddon !!! BEFORE the 1000 years BEGINS. Which of course can ONLY mean ONE THING...That the FUTURE millennium is upheld and that this doctrine is now EXPOSED beyond a shadow of doubt as WRONG and CONFLICTING with Gods Word.

So there you have it. we ALL know NOW through that declaration, understanding that doctrine clearly at last, more than ever before...We NOW have the right angle to provide many more scriptures to silence that erroneous doctrine...that is, IF reason does not prevail...i won't rub it in by providing them now...but we are now armed to the teeth if needed. Praise the Lord !!

So in conclusion,This is a perfect example why we MUST concentrate on the BIBLE only. See how easily it is to be deceived by BOOKS and doctrines? And these are TRAINED LEARNED MEN etc making such simple mistakes !! And the person who followed this doctrine is NOT stupid either. So PLEASE...the bible is all we need..for it is the written Word...and believe me, His Word is SUFFICIENT.

Regards
Devolution.

very well done devo.
the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire,at the coming.
and satan will be cast into the lake of fire after the 1000yrs and after Gods war
against gog and magog.then comes the 2nd resurection all that died of old time,and
all gentiles that has their own religion of all kinds,they will be judged according their
works. the sheep will be separated from the goats. the sheep on the right an the goats
on the left,and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire. the sheep will be invited into
the kingdom.then comes the melting of the earth.

""wakeup.""

 

[Devolution]

Friend, It is better not to try to study the book of Revelation too much. Countless sincere individuals have tried to understand every last verse of the 22 chapters of this last NT book and have FAILED. You haven't succeeded in understanding it, and neither have I. The warning in the book against misinterpreting the book should stand. In other words: Stay away from this book unless you know what you are talking about. Few men have approached this book and really understood 100 percent of what's in this mysterious, sealed book. It's not yet possible to unseal it.
Take care. In Erie PA Scott R.
Harrington

The ironic part of your statement is that you said that you do not understand revelation. That being the case, HOW do you know whether i have made a mistake?? For: You do not understand it. This is Your first mistake.

Your second mistake: Few men have approached this book and really understood 100 percent of what's in this mysterious, sealed book. It's not yet possible to unseal it.

Because you can not understand revelation, let me help you on this 2nd mistake.
Go to Rev 5
v1> God has a book in His right hand.
v5> The LAMB takes the book & OPENS IT...that means it is no longer SEALED.
NOW go to ch 10
v2> NOW an angel has a book that is OPEN
and WHO wrote revelation?
JOHN DID. Now STAY in ch 10...
v8> JOHN was told to TAKE that OPENED book..opened means NO LONGER SEALED
v9> JOHN took and ate that little book..
v11> NOW that the WORDS of that little book are IN him, he is told he must PROPHESY..
and what is he going to prophesy? REVELATION...and HOW did he do it? He WROTE the WORDS down...

I know the concept of non churchgoers understanding scripture must be so very abhorrent to you, who is obviously struggling with the written Word, but i hate to burst your bubble...i do in fact have a firm grasp of revelation. How else do you think i discovered the mistake within that other doctrine. So maybe you should just concede, since i had to show you something so basic, that knowledge is not confined within a building of brick and mortar. Else YOU would know this simple mistake you make. But you didn't know. I suggest you ignore your own advice and read revelation yourself...for as Christ Himself said IN revelation: BLESSED is he that keepeth the sayings of the PROPHECY of this BOOK. Rev 22:7. What book? Revelation. Blessed is he who READS IT. So why do you encourage people not to read it? That is AGAINST Christ.

You err very very greatly.

 

[wakeup]

Friend, It is better not to try to

study the book of Revelation

too much. Countless sincere

individuals have tried to

understand every last verse of

the 22 chapters of this last NT

book and have FAILED. You

haven't succeeded in

understanding it, and neither

have I. The warning in the

book against misinterpreting

the book should stand. In

other words: Stay away from

this book unless you know

what you are talking about.

Few men have approached this

book and really understood 100

percent of what's in this

mysterious, sealed book. It's

not yet possible to unseal it.

Take care. In Erie PA Scott R.

Harrington

did God not say''blessed is he that reed this book'' (the book of revelation.)
why must you contradict Gods word? just to defend your doctrine, instead of defending
the truth. is your spirit for God or for your church?

""wakeup""

 

[Devolution]

very well done devo.
the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire,at the coming.
and satan will be cast into the lake of fire after the 1000yrs and after Gods war
against gog and magog.then comes the 2nd resurection all that died of old time,and
all gentiles that has their own religion of all kinds,they will be judged according their
works. the sheep will be separated from the goats. the sheep on the right an the goats
on the left,and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire. the sheep will be invited into
the kingdom.then comes the melting of the earth.

""wakeup.""

Thank you Wakeup, i didn't explain it well enough after reading it again. It looks a bit scattered. I kind of rushed it out there and should have taken my time for a better presentation.

 

[zone]

Hello all,

Finally we can put to bed a certain false doctrine being pushed onto us so aggressively...which undermines Gods written Word severely. And hopefully now, such terrible accusations of heresy etc amongst many other personal insults can stop. God has this day vindicated those of us who upheld His truth in the face of such hateful wrath and malice. May His truth always prevail...as has happened this day.

We all know the story...
10 Kings set up a global system..(rev 13:1-8)
Then the False Prophet arises amongst the 10 kings & marks the people..(rev 13:16)
The wrath of God begins on those with the mark..(rev 16:1-2)
Then comes Armageddon (rev 16:12-16)
Jesus returns (rev 19:11-16)
The beast & the False Prophet who released the mark are destroyed by Jesus Christ and thrown into the lake of fire (rev 19:19-21)
THEN Satan is locked up (rev 20:1-3)
And after the resurrection etc, the 1000 years of teaching begins..the millennium.
THEN Satan is released for a short time...(rev 20:7)

Now for the fatal flaw in that strange doctrine being so angrily forced upon us...i will leave out the insults...

See it? Look again below...

Notice that strange doctrine said that AFTER the 1000 years Satan is released & THEN he releases the MARK !!! Just remember this statement...

So here below is the proof of that fatal error in scripture that was used against us, which unknowingly to the provider, undid this strange doctrine in the process...i have enlarged & highlighted it for you...

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There, debate OVER.

How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years as that doctrine claims when the ones responsible for RELEASING the MARK in the first place are ALREADY PUNISHED & are ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE !!!!

Again: THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR RELEASING THE MARK ARE ALREADY DEALT WITH !!! AGAIN: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...SO Satan is destroyed...but WHO was destroyed BEFORE him?....: where the beast and the false prophet are !! Where the beast & the False Prophet are ALREADY..

SO,See revelation 19:11-21.. FIRST: Jesus' 2nd coming...SECOND: the beast & the false prophet taken & thrown into the lake of fire...THIRD: (rev 20:1-3) Satan locked up...FOURTH: Those who DENIED the mark reign with Christ 1000 years...FIFTH: (rev 20:7) Satan RELEASED...ETC...

This means that the mark is PAST, done, over, fulfilled. So how can Satan release the MARK of the beast when it ALREADY HAPPENED? For the ones who released that MARK are already punished. And they only get punished AFTER all the people are marked...punished & taken at Armageddon !!! BEFORE the 1000 years BEGINS. Which of course can ONLY mean ONE THING...That the FUTURE millennium is upheld and that this doctrine is now EXPOSED beyond a shadow of doubt as WRONG and CONFLICTING with Gods Word.

So there you have it. we ALL know NOW through that declaration, understanding that doctrine clearly at last, more than ever before...We NOW have the right angle to provide many more scriptures to silence that erroneous doctrine...that is, IF reason does not prevail...i won't rub it in by providing them now...but we are now armed to the teeth if needed. Praise the Lord !!

So in conclusion,This is a perfect example why we MUST concentrate on the BIBLE only. See how easily it is to be deceived by BOOKS and doctrines? And these are TRAINED LEARNED MEN etc making such simple mistakes !! And the person who followed this doctrine is NOT stupid either. So PLEASE...the bible is all we need..for it is the written Word...and believe me, His Word is SUFFICIENT.

Regards
Devolution.

I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH SIMPLER THIS CAN BE.

i will try again.

everything in the first 3 passages takes place between the First and Second Advents (this world)

then comes Judgment Day

then Eternity (the world to come)


devo: "How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years?"


FIRST ADVENT>>>....period called a thousand years (this world)....>>>short space > SECOND ADVENT - JUDGMENT DAY/ETERNITY (the world to come)


__________________________________________________________________


EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN BOUND AT FIRST ADVENT AND RELEASED FOR SHORT SPACE AT END OF 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

HEAVEN
DESCRIBES ALL SAINTS KILLED/DIED DURING 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD (i.e.: stephen, peter, paul) RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SHORT SPACE (billy, bobby, sam, becky - killed for not taking mark or worshipping image)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN'S RELEASE DURING SHORT SPACE AND UP TO AND INCLUDING SECOND ADVENT AND JUDGMENT (lake of fire mentioned)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

JUDGMENT DAY
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


_______________________________THEN_________________________________________


ETERNITY: NEW JERUSALEM, NEW HEAVEN, NEW EARTH (the world to come)
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

if the colors are hard for you devo, here it is in SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE:



everything in the first 3 passages takes place between the First and Second Advents (this world)

then comes Judgment Day

then Eternity (the world to come)


devo: "How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years?"


FIRST ADVENT>>>>...........period called a thousand years (this world)...........>>>>short space > SECOND ADVENT - JUDGMENT DAY/ETERNITY (the world to come)


___________________________________________________________________



EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN BOUND AT FIRST ADVENT AND RELEASED FOR SHORT SPACE AT END OF 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

HEAVEN
DESCRIBES ALL SAINTS KILLED/DIED DURING 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD (i.e.: stephen, peter, paul) RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SHORT SPACE (billy, bobby, sam, becky - killed for not taking mark or worshipping image)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN'S RELEASE DURING SHORT SPACE AND UP TO AND INCLUDING SECOND ADVENT AND JUDGMENT (lake of fire mentioned)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

JUDGMENT DAY
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


_______________________________THEN___________________________________


ETERNITY: NEW JERUSALEM, NEW HEAVEN, NEW EARTH (the world to come)
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[Devolution]

I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH SIMPLER THIS CAN BE.

i will try again.

everything in the first 3 passages takes place between the First and Second Advents (this world)

then comes Judgment Day

then Eternity (the world to come)


devo: "How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years?"


FIRST ADVENT>>>....period called a thousand years (this world)....>>>short space > SECOND ADVENT - JUDGMENT DAY/ETERNITY (the world to come)


__________________________________________________________________


EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN BOUND AT FIRST ADVENT AND RELEASED FOR SHORT SPACE AT END OF 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

HEAVEN
DESCRIBES ALL SAINTS KILLED/DIED DURING 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD (i.e.: stephen, peter, paul) RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SHORT SPACE (billy, bobby, sam, becky - killed for not taking mark or worshipping image)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN'S RELEASE DURING SHORT SPACE AND UP TO AND INCLUDING SECOND ADVENT AND JUDGMENT (lake of fire mentioned)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

JUDGMENT DAY
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


_______________________________THEN_________________________________________


ETERNITY: NEW JERUSALEM, NEW HEAVEN, NEW EARTH (the world to come)
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

if the colors are hard for you devo, here it is in SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE:



everything in the first 3 passages takes place between the First and Second Advents (this world)

then comes Judgment Day

then Eternity (the world to come)


devo: "How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years?"


FIRST ADVENT>>>>...........period called a thousand years (this world)...........>>>>short space > SECOND ADVENT - JUDGMENT DAY/ETERNITY (the world to come)


___________________________________________________________________



EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN BOUND AT FIRST ADVENT AND RELEASED FOR SHORT SPACE AT END OF 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

HEAVEN
DESCRIBES ALL SAINTS KILLED/DIED DURING 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD (i.e.: stephen, peter, paul) RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SHORT SPACE (billy, bobby, sam, becky - killed for not taking mark or worshipping image)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN'S RELEASE DURING SHORT SPACE AND UP TO AND INCLUDING SECOND ADVENT AND JUDGMENT (lake of fire mentioned)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

JUDGMENT DAY
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


_______________________________THEN___________________________________


ETERNITY: NEW JERUSALEM, NEW HEAVEN, NEW EARTH (the world to come)
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

You are not doing yourself any favors here. Your doctrine is now exposed as error. All the words in the world can not undo the error your doctrine has made. Why can't you see even now the obvious mistake? It is so obvious yet you refuse to look.

But now that i am finally aware of your doctrine in more detail, it will not be so hard to address. I shouldn't have to say anything more on this matter, it is so conclusive already. But because my post was a bit messy/rushed in its delivery... i will just this LAST time prepare a more thorough response..and if you still refuse to budge, then no amount of proof will ever be enough. This is the last attempt to reach you. After this, let others try.

 

[zone]

Friend, It is better not to try to
study the book of Revelation
too much. Countless sincere
individuals have tried to
understand every last verse of
the 22 chapters of this last NT
book and have FAILED. You
haven't succeeded in
understanding it, and neither
have I. The warning in the
book against misinterpreting
the book should stand. In
other words: Stay away from
this book unless you know
what you are talking about.
Few men have approached this
book and really understood 100
percent of what's in this
mysterious, sealed book. It's
not yet possible to unseal it.
Take care. In Erie PA Scott R.
Harrington

you mean this warning that they think doesn't apply to them?

Revelation 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

[zone]

i will just this LAST time prepare a more thorough response..and if you still refuse to budge, then no amount of proof will ever be enough. This is the last attempt to reach you.

this isn't about me devo.
it's about God's Word.

amillennial doctrine is not mine. i didn't create it, like Scofield et al did with your judaized christianity.

as for you 'reaching' me? you can't get to me from where you are.

and i most assuredly am not going where you are.

(that was a pretty quick reply from you btw devo: it shows you're lusting after something, rather than seeking to examine yourself, whether you are holding to right doctrine).

 

[Devolution]

Zone,
You said that after the 1000 years, Satan releases the mark of the beast.

Here is why you are so wrong...


Rev 12:
7> and there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels.
9> and the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

So we see that WHEN Christ was crucified (BLOOD of the LAMB) and ASCENDED to HEAVEN...Satan was CAST OUT. And where was he cast to? THE EARTH. So we see that Satan was NOT locked up, but instead find that he was just CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

How can we make sure? We read on...

Rev 12:
12> Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea ! for the devil is come down UNTO YOU, having great wrath, because he knoweth his time is short.

So here we see that Satan is now AMONG the PEOPLES....read on...

13> And when the dragon saw that he was cast UNTO THE EARTH, he PERSECUTED the woman which brought forth the man child.

So here we see Satan is still NOT locked up or bound, but instead is FREE to PERSUE his enemies (Christians)

Besides the other plain scripture between this lot, here is more proof Satan is FREE...

17> And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church), and WENT to MAKE WAR with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So how can you say Satan is locked up right NOW when scripture clearly shows he is free to pursue the woman and to wage war against her and was clearly cast to the earth and NOT locked up as you say? And all this AFTER Christ was resurrected: Rev 12:11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Who is the Lamb Zone?
For THEY overcame Satan IN HEAVEN by the BLOOD of the LAMB Zone.
When was the Lambs BLOOD shed Zone?
Well...the CRUCIFIXION is the answer.
So we see Satan is NOT locked up Zone.
Do you want me to continue? EVEN NOW?
Im not the sort to mock when someone admits error...im sure nobody on this site would...can you see it yet?

 

[Devolution]

this isn't about me devo.
it's about God's Word.

amillennial doctrine is not mine. i didn't create it, like Scofield et al did with your judaized christianity.

as for you 'reaching' me? you can't get to me from where you are.

and i most assuredly am not going where you are.

(that was a pretty quick reply from you btw devo: it shows you're lusting after something, rather than seeking to examine yourself, whether you are holding to right doctrine).

There you go again ! It was a quick reply because i was still on this post. I do not need to "get to you" as you put it. But even so, after all your insults i am still willing to reach out to you. Is this the action of someone lusting after revenge? People often judge others by that which is within themselves, so maybe the examining need come not from me with that in mind. If you can not see, then you can not see, what can any man do to unblock what God has obviously blocked? I am wasting my time talking with you, i will give more scriptures though if you persist. But talking to one so quick to insult....no more Zone. I have done my duty with direct talks to you.

And one last time also: i/we had never heard of Schofield...and as i showed you before, i disagree with 98% of his writings anyway. I told you this many times now. Why do you keep falsely accusing? It is a sin to do this Zone. Don't you know that? It is called bearing false witness.

 

[zone]

Zone,
You said that after the 1000 years, Satan releases the mark of the beast.

Here is why you are so wrong...


Rev 12:
7> and there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels.
9> and the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

So we see that WHEN Christ was crucified (BLOOD of the LAMB) and ASCENDED to HEAVEN...Satan was CAST OUT. And where was he cast to? THE EARTH. So we see that Satan was NOT locked up, but instead find that he was just CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

How can we make sure? We read on...

Rev 12:
12> Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea ! for the devil is come down UNTO YOU, having great wrath, because he knoweth his time is short.

So here we see that Satan is now AMONG the PEOPLES....read on...

13> And when the dragon saw that he was cast UNTO THE EARTH, he PERSECUTED the woman which brought forth the man child.

So here we see Satan is still NOT locked up or bound, but instead is FREE to PERSUE his enemies (Christians)

Besides the other plain scripture between this lot, here is more proof Satan is FREE...

17> And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church), and WENT to MAKE WAR with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So how can you say Satan is locked up right NOW when scripture clearly shows he is free to pursue the woman and to wage war against her and was clearly cast to the earth and NOT locked up as you say? And all this AFTER Christ was resurrected: Rev 12:11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Who is the Lamb Zone?
For THEY overcame Satan IN HEAVEN by the BLOOD of the LAMB Zone.
When was the Lambs BLOOD shed Zone?
Well...the CRUCIFIXION is the answer.
So we see Satan is NOT locked up Zone.
Do you want me to continue? EVEN NOW?
Im not the sort to mock when someone admits error...im sure nobody on this site would...can you see it yet?

why are you talking to me about a LAMB and a DRAGON and a WOMAN and a SEED?

i thought you read the Bible literally.

everything in the first 3 passages takes place between the First and Second Advents (this world)

then comes Judgment Day

then Eternity (the world to come)


devo: "How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years?"


FIRST ADVENT>>>>...........period called a thousand years (this world)...........>>>>short space > SECOND ADVENT - JUDGMENT DAY/ETERNITY (the world to come)


see how the short space is after the thousand years devo?

satan does his work in the short space, right devo?

i had to use color in the hope you could see it. ___________________________________________________________________



EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN BOUND AT FIRST ADVENT AND RELEASED FOR SHORT SPACE AT END OF 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD.
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season...

HEAVEN
DESCRIBES ALL SAINTS KILLED/DIED DURING 'THOUSAND YEARS' PERIOD (i.e.: stephen, peter, paul) RIGHT UP TO AND INCLUDING THE SHORT SPACE (billy, bobby, sam, becky - killed for not taking mark or worshipping image)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

EARTH (this world)
DESCRIBES SATAN'S RELEASE DURING SHORT SPACE AND UP TO AND INCLUDING SECOND ADVENT AND JUDGMENT (lake of fire mentioned)
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

JUDGMENT DAY
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


_______________________________THEN___________________________________


ETERNITY: NEW JERUSALEM, NEW HEAVEN, NEW EARTH (the world to come)
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[zone]

Zone,
Im not the sort to mock when someone admits error...

why would i abandon The Bible being CHRISTO-CENTRIC with a TWO WORLDS model?

to embrace an heretical Babylonian indulgence? no thank you.

look at this disaster:

God has this day vindicated those of us who upheld His truth in the face of such hateful wrath and malice. May His truth always prevail...as has happened this day.

We all know the story...
10 Kings set up a global system..(rev 13:1-8)
Then the False Prophet arises amongst the 10 kings & marks the people..(rev 13:16)
The wrath of God begins on those with the mark..(rev 16:1-2)
Then comes Armageddon (rev 16:12-16)
Jesus returns (rev 19:11-16)
The beast & the False Prophet who released the mark are destroyed by Jesus Christ and thrown into the lake of fire (rev 19:19-21)
THEN Satan is locked up (rev 20:1-3)
And after the resurrection etc, the 1000 years of teaching begins..the millennium.
THEN Satan is released for a short time...(rev 20:7)

Now for the fatal flaw in that strange doctrine being so angrily forced upon us...i will leave out the insults...

See it? Look again below...

Notice that strange doctrine said that AFTER the 1000 years Satan is released & THEN he releases the MARK !!! Just remember this statement...

So here below is the proof of that fatal error in scripture that was used against us, which unknowingly to the provider, undid this strange doctrine in the process...i have enlarged & highlighted it for you...

7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

There, debate OVER.

How can the MARK be released after the 1000 years as that doctrine claims when the ones responsible for RELEASING the MARK in the first place are ALREADY PUNISHED & are ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE !!!!

Again: THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR RELEASING THE MARK ARE ALREADY DEALT WITH !!! AGAIN: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone...SO Satan is destroyed...but WHO was destroyed BEFORE him?....: where the beast and the false prophet are !! Where the beast & the False Prophet are ALREADY..

SO,See revelation 19:11-21.. FIRST: Jesus' 2nd coming...SECOND: the beast & the false prophet taken & thrown into the lake of fire...THIRD: (rev 20:1-3) Satan locked up...FOURTH: Those who DENIED the mark reign with Christ 1000 years...FIFTH: (rev 20:7) Satan RELEASED...ETC...

This means that the mark is PAST, done, over, fulfilled. So how can Satan release the MARK of the beast when it ALREADY HAPPENED? For the ones who released that MARK are already punished. And they only get punished AFTER all the people are marked...punished & taken at Armageddon !!! BEFORE the 1000 years BEGINS. Which of course can ONLY mean ONE THING...That the FUTURE millennium is upheld and that this doctrine is now EXPOSED beyond a shadow of doubt as WRONG and CONFLICTING with Gods Word.

So there you have it. we ALL know NOW through that declaration, understanding that doctrine clearly at last, more than ever before...We NOW have the right angle to provide many more scriptures to silence that erroneous doctrine...that is, IF reason does not prevail...i won't rub it in by providing them now...but we are now armed to the teeth if needed. Praise the Lord !!

So in conclusion,This is a perfect example why we MUST concentrate on the BIBLE only. See how easily it is to be deceived by BOOKS and doctrines? And these are TRAINED LEARNED MEN etc making such simple mistakes !! And the person who followed this doctrine is NOT stupid either. So PLEASE...the bible is all we need..for it is the written Word...and believe me, His Word is SUFFICIENT.

 

[Devolution]

Zone,
You said that after the 1000 years, Satan releases the mark of the beast.

Here is why you are so wrong...


Rev 12:
7> and there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels.
9> and the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

So we see that WHEN Christ was crucified (BLOOD of the LAMB) and ASCENDED to HEAVEN...Satan was CAST OUT. And where was he cast to? THE EARTH. So we see that Satan was NOT locked up, but instead find that he was just CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

How can we make sure? We read on...

Rev 12:
12> Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea ! for the devil is come down UNTO YOU, having great wrath, because he knoweth his time is short.

So here we see that Satan is now AMONG the PEOPLES....read on...

13> And when the dragon saw that he was cast UNTO THE EARTH, he PERSECUTED the woman which brought forth the man child.

So here we see Satan is still NOT locked up or bound, but instead is FREE to PERSUE his enemies (Christians)

Besides the other plain scripture between this lot, here is more proof Satan is FREE...

17> And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church), and WENT to MAKE WAR with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So how can you say Satan is locked up right NOW when scripture clearly shows he is free to pursue the woman and to wage war against her and was clearly cast to the earth and NOT locked up as you say? And all this AFTER Christ was resurrected: Rev 12:11> and THEY OVERCAME HIM BY the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by the Word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Who is the Lamb Zone?
For THEY overcame Satan IN HEAVEN by the BLOOD of the LAMB Zone.
When was the Lambs BLOOD shed Zone?
Well...the CRUCIFIXION is the answer.
So we see Satan is NOT locked up Zone.
Do you want me to continue? EVEN NOW?
Im not the sort to mock when someone admits error...im sure nobody on this site would...can you see it yet?

That was just showing that Satan is NOT locked up...stage ONE...we can move on to the mark of which you claim Satan releases AFTER the 1000 years next if you wish...

 

[Devolution]

why are you talking to me about a LAMB and a DRAGON and a WOMAN and a SEED?

i thought you read the Bible literally.

You know absolutely nothing about me. You haven't been able to understand me from the outset. And what you have not been able to understand is that which i quote...the written Word of God. Instead, all you have against me are accusations and presumptions. Your little doctrine is exposed. Satan does NOT release the mark after the 1000 years, for as scripture shows clearly, by the stage Satan is cast into the lake, the ones who actually released the mark are already in that lake. So you are undone. Anything here on is NOT about the truth but instead about YOU saving face.

Also, it is now clear that you do not even understand rev 12 !!! And you are arguing with me? No, i will be blunt now, i will not argue with one who can not understand simple scripture. I thought you knew more than this. I was so very wrong. You have drawn me into debate under false pretences, for it is not fitting to debate with one who can not understand such things when the other can. Now i must desist by command.

So keep on mocking all you like. If any one else wishes to carry this on now that the mistake is evident, feel free. I wipe my hands now, i am not permitted to debate lengthy debates with one so poorly trained in the Word.

 

[zone]

There you go again ! It was a quick reply because i was still on this post. I do not need to "get to you" as you put it. But even so, after all your insults i am still willing to reach out to you.

i'm sorry. its hard to keep up with you when your story keeps changing.

i didn't say you we trying to "get to me". here's what i said:

as for you 'reaching' me? you can't get to me from where you are.

and i most assuredly am not going where you are..

which was in response to this:

i will just this LAST time prepare a more thorough response..and if you still refuse to budge, then no amount of proof will ever be enough. This is the last attempt to reach you. After this, let others try.

Is this the action of someone lusting after revenge? People often judge others by that which is within themselves, so maybe the examining need come not from me with that in mind. If you can not see, then you can not see, what can any man do to unblock what God has obviously blocked? I am wasting my time talking with you, i will give more scriptures though if you persist. But talking to one so quick to insult....no more Zone. I have done my duty with direct talks to you.

And one last time also: i/we had never heard of Schofield...and as i showed you before, i disagree with 98% of his writings anyway. I told you this many times now. Why do you keep falsely accusing? It is a sin to do this Zone. Don't you know that? It is called bearing false witness.

don't turn this into psychoanalysis of me.
you came out swinging in defense of HERESY.

i've told you repeatedly i will not sit quietly by while you do it.

deny, like EVERY DISPENSATIONALIST out there that you've ever heard of Scofield...

then claim in the next breath special revelation as you did in the first paragraph of the OP on this thread.

you really should be less concerned about my so-called false witness against you, and A LOT MORE concerned with how you handle The Word.

you are wasting your time talking to me....i will NEVER embrace that stuff you teach.

i know where it came from.