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zone

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it is good to discus the deep things of god without calling each other names.
that's it?
all that evidence and its about name calling?

playing prophecy teacher is more important than THE TRUTH?
 

zone

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but at the coming they will be resurected and changed in spirit now they have inherited the kingdom.


and they will rule the flesh in the kingdom but not yet inheriting the kingdom,they will be, when they also will be changed at the second resurection then they also will inherit the kingdom jerusalem is the great city because it is named by God.
HUH????????????
 
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getting closer.

ALREADY/NOT YET
this world and the world to come.

no 1,000 year flesh realm...absurd.youneed a bit more searching to see this.

the woman is EARTHLY JERUSALEM. she WILL rule over the world: FOR A SHORT SPACE/LITTLE SEASON.

the woman(the great city) only make the people drunk and can give them all the
desires of the heart. the false prophet will rule the world for a short time.
he will be using the number to control people,exept the true worshippers.

''wakeup''.
 
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HUH????????????

why are you surprised? at this moment we walk in the spirit but still in a flesh body
therefore can not inherit the kingdom.flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom.
the jews in the kingdom also will walk in spirit but still in the flesh.untill they also
will be changed in the2nd resurection,after they have been preached to: the gentiles
outside the kingdom also will be preached to,they can only come once a year,
to celebrate the feest of tabernacles. any nation that refuse to come; they will have no rain. there will be many nations in the world but their dominion is taken away.
technology is no more because of the destruction at the second coming.
so they will work with wood and metal scrap. after the preaching is done for a 1000yrs.
with no satan around, satan will be loosed for a short season, to sift out the non
believers. God will bring them all to one place. he will put it in satans heart to gather them
together to compass the camp of the saints, all will be destroyed ,satan cast into the lake of fire, and all his followers shortly will be resurected judged and cast in the lake of fire
where satan is. all the dead from time past and all the dead during the tribulation
also will be resurected, and judged and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
the sheep will be changed into spirit and also inherit the kingdom.
but now the earth it self is still full of pollution. just imagine the piramids left overs;
all the temples in the world,things men has created during the centuries, under the earth under the sea; the moon has been worshipped by men, the sun, the planets,this is the reason why the heavens and the earth will melt. God will create a new heaven and a new earth: therefore this prayer and proph. will be fulfilled.
''thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'' God will dwell amongst us.

''wakeup''.
 
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the woman(the great city) only make the people drunk and can give them all the
desires of the heart. the false prophet will rule the world for a short time.
he will be using the number to control people,exept the true worshippers.

''wakeup''.
Ah yes, Something else which proves people do not read the whole.

No one will be able to "buy or sell" unless they have the mark. The mark is an economic mark. The number (which somewhere in its code has 666) will be ones personal account, where money can be taken or given. Basically paper money is done away with. People who do not have this mark will not be able to buy goods such as food, or make money to buy what it is they need.

but of course, this has already been fullfilled according to some (rolls eyes)
 
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Christ could not fulfil weeks. Weeks are given to the people. That people had to restore everything before the coming of Christ. What they did. Then, in the fullness of time Christ came. More ... how Christ could make a covenant with many in the last week, when he was crucified at the end of 62 (69) "week"?
Not only this. But the prophesy states the people of the prince to come will destrou the temple and city. Did the people of Christ do this? No! Thus logic dictates that Christ could not be the one who signs the covenant, because his people did not destroy jerusalem or the temple. the romans did!
 
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Ah yes, Something else which proves people do not read the whole.

No one will be able to "buy or sell" unless they have the mark. The mark is an economic mark. The number (which somewhere in its code has 666) will be ones personal account, where money can be taken or given. Basically paper money is done away with. People who do not have this mark will not be able to buy goods such as food, or make money to buy what it is they need.

but of course, this has already been fullfilled according to some (rolls eyes)

many christians will be persecuted because of refusing the number:
he who saves his life will loose it, he who looses his life for my sake will find life.

''wakeup''.
 
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many christians will be persecuted because of refusing the number:
he who saves his life will loose it, he who looses his life for my sake will find life.

''wakeup''.
Amen, As jesus said of this time, He who endures till the end will be saved! 3 1/2 years will seem like an eternity to these people. But imagine the finish, when you see Christ come to earth triumphantly,k and wipe out evil and those who took the number, with you being saved from this wrath broaught about the earth because you endured! and then, as Christ sets up his earthly kingdom, with you witnessing the whole thing, and going into it with him.. WOW
 
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Not only this. But the prophesy states the people of the prince to come will destrou the temple and city. Did the people of Christ do this? No! Thus logic dictates that Christ could not be the one who signs the covenant, because his people did not destroy jerusalem or the temple. the romans did!

the kings of the north and the false prophet will attack jerusalem,the dome will be
destroyed, the false prophet will have his temple build on its base and he will sit
as God and call himsef god.(his temple is the abomination of desolation.)
the medes and his allies will stand up(muslem nations) this wil be the war of all wars. christ will come to stop.but during the reign of the false prophet God will
send the 7 trumpets to sound. the 7th trumpet is the coming of christ.

''wakeup''.
 
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Amen, As jesus said of this time, He who endures till the end will be saved! 3 1/2 years will seem like an eternity to these people. But imagine the finish, when you see Christ come to earth triumphantly,k and wipe out evil and those who took the number, with you being saved from this wrath broaught about the earth because you endured! and then, as Christ sets up his earthly kingdom, with you witnessing the whole thing, and going into it with him.. WOW
blessed are you for not many can see
 

zone

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#71
why are you surprised? at this moment we walk in the spirit but still in a flesh body
therefore can not inherit the kingdom.flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom.
the jews in the kingdom also will walk in spirit but still in the flesh.untill they also
will be changed in the2nd resurection,after they have been preached to: the gentiles
outside the kingdom also will be preached to,they can only come once a year,
to celebrate the feest of tabernacles. any nation that refuse to come; they will have no rain. there will be many nations in the world but their dominion is taken away.
technology is no more because of the destruction at the second coming.
so they will work with wood and metal scrap. after the preaching is done for a 1000yrs.
with no satan around, satan will be loosed for a short season, to sift out the non
believers. God will bring them all to one place. he will put it in satans heart to gather them
together to compass the camp of the saints, all will be destroyed ,satan cast into the lake of fire, and all his followers shortly will be resurected judged and cast in the lake of fire
where satan is. all the dead from time past and all the dead during the tribulation
also will be resurected, and judged and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
the sheep will be changed into spirit and also inherit the kingdom.
but now the earth it self is still full of pollution. just imagine the piramids left overs;
all the temples in the world,things men has created during the centuries, under the earth under the sea; the moon has been worshipped by men, the sun, the planets,this is the reason why the heavens and the earth will melt. God will create a new heaven and a new earth: therefore this prayer and proph. will be fulfilled.
''thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven'' God will dwell amongst us.

''wakeup''.

so, according to your tale, are you in a spirit body during the literal future 1,000 years? can the flesh jews (and gentiles?) SEE YOU?


when are you CHANGED into spirit? do you get your glorified body before or after the 1,000 years?

its a little hard to follow your narrative (and it is your narrative):

where satan is. all the dead from time past and all the dead during the tribulation
also will be resurected, and judged and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
the sheep will be changed into spirit and also inherit the kingdom.

WHAT ARE SHEEP DOING INHERITING THE KINGDOM? i thought the Kingdom was for saved HUMAN BEINGS who became Christians.

what do you mean SHEEP are changed into spirit? i understand your claim to a LITERAL interpretation of everything in the Bible.

so where are the saints in your scenario?
 
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so, according to your tale, are you in a spirit body during the literal future 1,000 years? can the flesh jews (and gentiles?) SEE YOU?


when are you CHANGED into spirit? do you get your glorified body before or after the 1,000 years?

its a little hard to follow your narrative (and it is your narrative):

where satan is. all the dead from time past and all the dead during the tribulation
also will be resurected, and judged and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
the sheep will be changed into spirit and also inherit the kingdom.

WHAT ARE SHEEP DOING INHERITING THE KINGDOM? i thought the Kingdom was for saved HUMAN BEINGS who became Christians.

what do you mean SHEEP are changed into spirit? i understand your claim to a LITERAL interpretation of everything in the Bible.

so where are the saints in your scenario?
i have answered all your questions,you obviously have not bothered to read.
you can only understand when you have a renewal of spirit.
the spirit in you is not right.

''wakeup''.
 
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so, according to your tale, are you in a spirit body during the literal future 1,000 years? can the flesh jews (and gentiles?) SEE YOU?


when are you CHANGED into spirit? do you get your glorified body before or after the 1,000 years?

its a little hard to follow your narrative (and it is your narrative):

where satan is. all the dead from time past and all the dead during the tribulation
also will be resurected, and judged and the goats will be cast into the lake of fire.
the sheep will be changed into spirit and also inherit the kingdom.

WHAT ARE SHEEP DOING INHERITING THE KINGDOM? i thought the Kingdom was for saved HUMAN BEINGS who became Christians.

what do you mean SHEEP are changed into spirit? i understand your claim to a LITERAL interpretation of everything in the Bible.

so where are the saints in your scenario?

  • duuuuuuuh?
 
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HUH????????????


you are shocked because you have never seen the big picture before.
all is new to you, because you have been feeding on the wrong food.

"wakeup".
 

zone

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the world economy is deliberately bankrupted,to prepare the way of the false proph.
for he must come acording to Gods timing.only he who let will let.
you enjoy your self and God bless.
''wakeup''
r-r-r-i-i-g-h-h-t-.
and how did that happen?

do you know where our money system came from?

Zechariah 5
 

zone

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Ah yes, Something else which proves people do not read the whole.

No one will be able to "buy or sell" unless they have the mark. The mark is an economic mark. The number (which somewhere in its code has 666) will be ones personal account, where money can be taken or given. Basically paper money is done away with. People who do not have this mark will not be able to buy goods such as food, or make money to buy what it is they need.

but of course, this has already been fullfilled according to some (rolls eyes)
you will not find anywhere i have ever said the short space/mark has happened. that's just silly:rolleyes:

(tell me...does the mark happen before the literal 1,000 years?)

Revelation 17:9
And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: forit is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


1 Kings 10

13 And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants. 14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, 15 Beside that he had of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country.
 
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1 Kings 10

13 And king Solomon gave unto the queen of Sheba all her desire, whatsoever she asked, beside that which Solomon gave her of his royal bounty. So she turned and went to her own country, she and her servants. 14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, 15 Beside that he had of the merchantmen, and of the traffick of the spice merchants, and of all the kings of Arabia, and of the governors of the country.


Luke 3
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, 27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, 28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, 29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, 30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, 31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, 32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, 33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda, 34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, 35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, 36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, 37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.


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Messiah, Hebrew: משיח‎‎; mashiah, moshiah, mashiach, or moshiach, ("anointed [one]") is a term used in the Hebrew Bible to describe priests and kings, who were traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil as described in Exodus 30:22-25. For example, Cyrus the Great, the king of Persia, though not a Hebrew, is referred to as "God's anointed" (Messiah) in the Bible.



He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)