AT LAST..THE DEBATE CAN END..THE FATAL MISTAKE IS EXPOSED..
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devo, btw:
would you be so kind as to tell us who is alive during the millennium to be reigned over since you have only those who 'denied the mark" reigning with Him for 1,000 years?
Revelation says this:
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
its says anyone who did any of those things goes into the lake of fire.
so if this is true:
what happens AFTER the mark and your satan is bound for 1,000 years?
what exactly is happening during that time since anyone NOT denying the mark gets thrown in the lake of fire.
do they have to live 1,000 years with the mark on them and THEN be thrown in the lake?
what is satan released for during the 1,000 years if everybody took the mark and is headed for the lake of fire?
how does it work again? where is ALL Israel at this time? did they take the mark?
documented chapter & verse would be good please...particularly for everything happening after your FIFTH (rev 20:7) ....ETC....
isn't ETC... rather vague for someone so well versed?
also:
do you teach pretrib rapture?
if so, who are these people, and what are they doing needing patience deep into the tribulation?
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
would you be so kind as to tell us who is alive during the millennium to be reigned over since you have only those who 'denied the mark" reigning with Him for 1,000 years?
Revelation says this:
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
its says anyone who did any of those things goes into the lake of fire.
so if this is true:
what happens AFTER the mark and your satan is bound for 1,000 years?
what exactly is happening during that time since anyone NOT denying the mark gets thrown in the lake of fire.
do they have to live 1,000 years with the mark on them and THEN be thrown in the lake?
what is satan released for during the 1,000 years if everybody took the mark and is headed for the lake of fire?
how does it work again? where is ALL Israel at this time? did they take the mark?
documented chapter & verse would be good please...particularly for everything happening after your FIFTH (rev 20:7) ....ETC....
isn't ETC... rather vague for someone so well versed?
also:
do you teach pretrib rapture?
if so, who are these people, and what are they doing needing patience deep into the tribulation?
Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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um....devo.
you have LOTS OF COMPANY....
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.[1]
Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christian, as a means fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[2][3][4]
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, see also Dual-covenant theology, along with the ingrafted Gentile Christians[Romans 11:17-24]. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
and you think you are defending the TRUTH.
you have LOTS OF COMPANY....
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.[1]
Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christian, as a means fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[2][3][4]
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, see also Dual-covenant theology, along with the ingrafted Gentile Christians[Romans 11:17-24]. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
and you think you are defending the TRUTH.
um....devo.
you have LOTS OF COMPANY....
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.[1]
Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christian, as a means fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[2][3][4]
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, see also Dual-covenant theology, along with the ingrafted Gentile Christians[Romans 11:17-24]. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
and you think you are defending the TRUTH.
you have LOTS OF COMPANY....
Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christians that the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy. It overlaps with, but is distinct from, the nineteenth century movement for the Restoration of the Jews to the Holy Land, which had both religiously and politically motivated supporters. The term Christian Zionism was popularized in the mid-twentieth century. Prior to that time the common term was Restorationism.[1]
Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus. This belief is primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian Dispensationalism. The idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged to become Christian, as a means fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[2][3][4]
Many Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen people of God, see also Dual-covenant theology, along with the ingrafted Gentile Christians[Romans 11:17-24]. This has the added effect of turning Christian Zionists into supporters of Jewish Zionism.
and you think you are defending the TRUTH.
And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
where is the great city devo?
tell us, if you know.
did you know that advancing the agenda of the great city makes one a partaker of her sins?
all those wars. and all that blood.
hi SW!
how are you?
once the short space arrives those sealed by God will realize just how restrained the devil was during the period known as a thousand years.
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
how are you?
once the short space arrives those sealed by God will realize just how restrained the devil was during the period known as a thousand years.
2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
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If you think i do this just to prove a point, then you are seriously wrong and are missing the point. KNOWING that even the plainest scripture i give will bring mocking, word twisting, false witness etc, i still go ahead to show that what is being taught by one other person is plain wrong. This is not about me, but about exposing something very serious in relation to what is coming.
And since we have disagreed with this person, anywhere we may post or talk with others, this other person follows us around making derogatory comments and false accusations...no matter the subject. How else are we meant to stop such unbecoming behavior? We are being given a false image to others who some of which have said in response to her lies, "oh, i didn't realize they believed that" !! Honestly, i have only seen one response like this, but just one response like this means there will be others, others who may not keep up with all that happens here on CC.
So you see, we must respond for truths sake. For that false doctrine IS dangerous indeed. It is one doctrine that will enable people to accept the false prophet (antichrist as others call him) when he comes. And if that is not dangerous, then what is?
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I am not sure where you get this.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
1. God did not send the deception. Satan did.
2. Not everyone will be deceived, only a great multitude.
3. The multitude from the world who are deceived by satan will be gathered for a Battle (the last battle between mankind and Christ, who happens to be ruling on David's throne in Jerusalem at this time.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
1. This army marches across the globe and gathers outside Jerusalem to fight the final battle against Christ and his people
2. God destroys this "final army of Satan" with fire from heaven
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
1. Again shows satan deceived them.
2. After the Battle, Satan and false prophet are cast into lake of fire.
3. If we read further, the dead (those not in Christ) are delivered (not resurrected by, but delivered to him) for final judgment. (Great White Throne)
4. Following this Judgment, All (who were dead and delivered to him) will be declared guilty due to their rejection of Gods grace gift (their works were found to fall short) and they too are sent to the eternal lake to Join Satan (also called the second death)
The argument is not over, for I am sure people will not even believe this. But what is sure, is your argument is faulty, for the "mark" is not even mentioned here..and should not even be inferred. And as always (with all prophesies concerning time) This 1000 years is a literal 1000, not an allegory of time which does not equal 1000 years, but is actually more than 1000.
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
1. God did not send the deception. Satan did.
2. Not everyone will be deceived, only a great multitude.
3. The multitude from the world who are deceived by satan will be gathered for a Battle (the last battle between mankind and Christ, who happens to be ruling on David's throne in Jerusalem at this time.
9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
1. This army marches across the globe and gathers outside Jerusalem to fight the final battle against Christ and his people
2. God destroys this "final army of Satan" with fire from heaven
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
1. Again shows satan deceived them.
2. After the Battle, Satan and false prophet are cast into lake of fire.
3. If we read further, the dead (those not in Christ) are delivered (not resurrected by, but delivered to him) for final judgment. (Great White Throne)
4. Following this Judgment, All (who were dead and delivered to him) will be declared guilty due to their rejection of Gods grace gift (their works were found to fall short) and they too are sent to the eternal lake to Join Satan (also called the second death)
The argument is not over, for I am sure people will not even believe this. But what is sure, is your argument is faulty, for the "mark" is not even mentioned here..and should not even be inferred. And as always (with all prophesies concerning time) This 1000 years is a literal 1000, not an allegory of time which does not equal 1000 years, but is actually more than 1000.
yes i agree with you fully devo, if satan is locked up since the crusifix to the second coming, this would have been a peacefull world right now; but is it? no this world has gone worse and worse . so let me use common sense and analyse:
satan locked up== this world gone bad to worse
so this means satan can not be blamed for all these :
how can he be the prince of this world,if he is locked up?
how can satan change into an angel of light if he is locked up?
in rev 12:9. how can he deceive the whole world if he is locked up?
inrev.12:17. how can satan make war with the remnant of the seed
which keep the commandmets of God, and have the testimony of Jesus
if he is locked up?
in rev.17:3 how can this harlot sit on the scarlet coloured beast(satan)
if he is locked up?
in 2cor.4:4 how can satan be the god of this world,if he is locked up?
2cor2:11.how can satan take advantage of us, if he is locked up?
yes i believe that satan is very active in this world right now,deceiving the nations
and peoples,he is not resting in his prison,but he is wroth with the woman,
he is working overtime. thank you for an excellent post.
""wakeup.""
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We can take this even further
Ephesians 6:12–13 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
How can our battle be against satan and his forces if he is locked up?
Ephesians 6:12–13 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
How can our battle be against satan and his forces if he is locked up?
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The first advent was Christ's death
more than 1000 years have come and gone since this advent.
Satan is not locked up, for he still deceives the nations. and can even deceive the elect (we are warned about this)'
the 2nd advent will be christs return to set up the 1000 years.
Do you agree with this?
I could not really tell from your post.
more than 1000 years have come and gone since this advent.
Satan is not locked up, for he still deceives the nations. and can even deceive the elect (we are warned about this)'
the 2nd advent will be christs return to set up the 1000 years.
Do you agree with this?
I could not really tell from your post.
you have the false prophet coming "not long now" when the mark of the beast is enforced.
Revelation 14 says all who take the mark go into the lake of fire.
how can you force another 1,000 years between the mark and wrath and Judgment Day?
do the people who took the mark of the beast go into the lake of fire before your 1,000 years, or do they carry the mark through your 1,000 years and THEN go into the lake of fire?
what, since according to your theory, the mark happened 1,000 years prior to Judgment Day, causes the "others" (the bad guys in the 1,000 years) to go into the lake of fire?
could you show me where The Lord holds 2 Judgment Days and proclaims 2 damnations into the lake of fire, and where would the lake of fire be sitting for 1,000 years waiting?
who is being reigned over in the millennium, since everybody who isn't sealed by God takes the mark or the name worships the beast and his image? why bother reigning over people for 1,000 years when they have taken the mark and are going into the lake?
REGARDING:
satan doing the deceiving, God sending strong delusion:
Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
from where does Ultimate Authority come?
John 19
8 When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid. 9 He entered his headquarters again and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” 11 Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
Revelation 14 says all who take the mark go into the lake of fire.
how can you force another 1,000 years between the mark and wrath and Judgment Day?
do the people who took the mark of the beast go into the lake of fire before your 1,000 years, or do they carry the mark through your 1,000 years and THEN go into the lake of fire?
what, since according to your theory, the mark happened 1,000 years prior to Judgment Day, causes the "others" (the bad guys in the 1,000 years) to go into the lake of fire?
could you show me where The Lord holds 2 Judgment Days and proclaims 2 damnations into the lake of fire, and where would the lake of fire be sitting for 1,000 years waiting?
who is being reigned over in the millennium, since everybody who isn't sealed by God takes the mark or the name worships the beast and his image? why bother reigning over people for 1,000 years when they have taken the mark and are going into the lake?
REGARDING:
satan doing the deceiving, God sending strong delusion:
Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold, a pale horse! And its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.
from where does Ultimate Authority come?
John 19
8 When Pilate heard this statement, he was even more afraid. 9 He entered his headquarters again and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” 11 Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
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