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Can't let a soul run away without trying right? Flattery aside i'll pm you an email
Of course the longer this conversation drags on, the more it looks like i'm making a scene
Of course the longer this conversation drags on, the more it looks like i'm making a scene
One day the Lord will come again, like a 'thief in the night,' but that day is not here yet and God is showing a 'great' compassion for that not having happened yet, tetheredinbelief
2 Peter 3:9
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Well when you show them proof of God almighty. They get angry and say stuff they shouldn't. I wish they would admit they have been deceived and come to the saving grace of Christ. But, its like taking a bone from a dog. Most dogs will drop the bone when presented with a t bone steak, yet some hold to the dry bone as many christians do.
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It's important to note that we become the same, danshopeisHim, and, I know that what you say is tough to deal with, but we need to still act as in such a way that is one of who God is: Love. And , what God says , through the inspired, Holy words of Paul, is 'greatest,' which is not faith, not hope, but IS Love
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It's important to note that we become the same, danshopeisHim, and, I know that what you say is tough to deal with, but we need to still act as in such a way that is one of who God is: Love. And , what God says , through the inspired, Holy words of Paul, is 'greatest,' which is not faith, not hope, but IS Love
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They do not have the peace of God in their heart, in their life, in their soul that saves them forevermore with Him, rather than with..... I don't need to say that, and, trust me, I LOVE the atheists on here, I want you to come to know Christ and He convicts and I just speak so do not take my judgment words there as anything more than my wanting you to be where I'm going when I die==to be with Him
NOne of us are, bro, none of us, we are ALL His works in progress all the way to heaven Ephesians 2:10
NOne of us are, bro, none of us, we are ALL His works in progress all the way to heaven
Ephesians 2:10
I find these debates way more enlightening that just seeing Christians agree amongst themselves. I'll see a great comment by an atheist, then i'll see another great comment by a Christian.
I have no earthly idea why anyone would choose to believe in a god. It's not a concept that I can grasp, but seeing these debates I can at least get some sort of understanding as to why you would believe it. I gain more respect for Christianty by reading this type of thread than any other type of thread, so for that reason alone atheists shouldn't be banned.
I can see why people can get heated. Both sides get heated an Christians have said some pretty awful things in these debates too but Christians have the home field advantage and the visitor always gets the boot and I understand that.
But these types of thread do more for your faith than threads about testimonies etc where your all just slapping each other on the back.
I have no earthly idea why anyone would choose to believe in a god. It's not a concept that I can grasp, but seeing these debates I can at least get some sort of understanding as to why you would believe it. I gain more respect for Christianty by reading this type of thread than any other type of thread, so for that reason alone atheists shouldn't be banned.
I can see why people can get heated. Both sides get heated an Christians have said some pretty awful things in these debates too but Christians have the home field advantage and the visitor always gets the boot and I understand that.
But these types of thread do more for your faith than threads about testimonies etc where your all just slapping each other on the back.
There are plenty of reasons why anyone should choose to believe in a god -- even an invented one -- as is evidenced when we look at the sheer number of people who believe in gods, Christian or otherwise. If you study anthropology, you'll quickly discover that tribes develop their own gods in an attempt to build law & order in societies that don't have the manpower or the necessary infrastructure for policing. Even once law & order is established (as it has been in most countries that are still religious), there is appeal in stories about the afterlife that try to remove the fear of death and answer questions that science still cannot.
As an atheist, I've never personally "gained more respect for Christianity" from these debates... not because Christians are unreasonable, but because Christianity has nothing to do with rationality. There are both rational and irrational Christians, just as there are rational and irrational Atheists. But I do enjoy debating on this website. I've heard stories from fellow atheists about "getting the boot" from this site and I assumed that it was like the many sites that will not tolerate dissent, but I'm happy to have been proven wrong.
As an atheist, I've never personally "gained more respect for Christianity" from these debates... not because Christians are unreasonable, but because Christianity has nothing to do with rationality. There are both rational and irrational Christians, just as there are rational and irrational Atheists. But I do enjoy debating on this website. I've heard stories from fellow atheists about "getting the boot" from this site and I assumed that it was like the many sites that will not tolerate dissent, but I'm happy to have been proven wrong.
I don't know why that would be the case, and frankly I can't understand why Christians wouldn't want to talk with atheists.
Atheists join Christian sites for all sorts of reasons the primary one probably being that we think we are right and that Christians are wrong, and we want to enlighten. Some may want to argue that there is no God, but many atheists take the view that it is not possible to prove a negative, therefore proving God nonexistent is technically not possible. I suspect that many atheists, instead, come to argue the case for evolution; for in the atheist view, of this, most Christians are woefully uniformed. Others may be curious about Christianity and a very small number may be considering coming over to God; and there may well be other reasons that I have missed.
All of that being said, there may also be something else going on, at least for a few. What I am going to propose is speculative, and I would like everyone’s opinion. I somehow picked-up the notion, perhaps I read it somewhere, that converts to a new world view make very energetic proselytizers. I think I first heard this in reference to some woman who’d converted to Catholicism, but I can’t recall any details. Certainly Paul was a fervent proselytizer, and I think Martin Luther as well, and don’t forget Mohammed. I wonder if there is something in our human nature that makes converts want to share the ‘good news’ and if so perhaps that is what compels some atheists to join Christian forums? In testing this idea we might want to ask how long atheist members have been atheists.
Interesting you should say that. I have argued with many Christians who insist that atheism is faith based. They will not accept my reasoning that this is simply not true. I am glad you are one who would agree with me.
Atheists join Christian sites for all sorts of reasons the primary one probably being that we think we are right and that Christians are wrong, and we want to enlighten. Some may want to argue that there is no God, but many atheists take the view that it is not possible to prove a negative, therefore proving God nonexistent is technically not possible. I suspect that many atheists, instead, come to argue the case for evolution; for in the atheist view, of this, most Christians are woefully uniformed. Others may be curious about Christianity and a very small number may be considering coming over to God; and there may well be other reasons that I have missed.
All of that being said, there may also be something else going on, at least for a few. What I am going to propose is speculative, and I would like everyone’s opinion. I somehow picked-up the notion, perhaps I read it somewhere, that converts to a new world view make very energetic proselytizers. I think I first heard this in reference to some woman who’d converted to Catholicism, but I can’t recall any details. Certainly Paul was a fervent proselytizer, and I think Martin Luther as well, and don’t forget Mohammed. I wonder if there is something in our human nature that makes converts want to share the ‘good news’ and if so perhaps that is what compels some atheists to join Christian forums? In testing this idea we might want to ask how long atheist members have been atheists.
Interesting you should say that. I have argued with many Christians who insist that atheism is faith based. They will not accept my reasoning that this is simply not true. I am glad you are one who would agree with me.
I am curious. Have you always been an atheist? Both my kids are atheists; I raised them that way. My one son has told me that he just can't fathom how I could ever have believed in God. He says it makes no sense to him. My other son is not interested enough to even pose the question. Were you raised as an atheist?
Well, I for one was raised Christian, so I do understand why people believe. My point was that my son, never having believed in God couldn't understand how I could have once believed. So Warchild's comments rang a bell with me and I wondered whether he had ever believed in God.
I think many things can change one's outlook. I think this is only one.
I think many things can change one's outlook. I think this is only one.
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It is not logical to say there is no God. To be able to say that factually, one would have to search the entire universe and then you can say factually there is no God. You can't prove something from a lack of evidence, even you would agree with that, right?
So Atheism is a belief that God does not exist. This is why some definitions of the word atheist state:
:"one who believes that there is no deity."
From: Atheist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
What I meant by my comment is that atheists come here to debate facts. They will point out something in science and bring that up in this forum to prove Christianity is false. So it becomes a debate of fact vs faith, which is just plain stupid in my opinion.
As an example, I believe Jesus died to forgive sin so we can be counted as Holy. How can I prove that? I can't jam a concept into a test tube and dissolve it in acid. So I am sorry to of written that statement in that way without clarification. I do believe at the core of atheism is a belief that God does not exist, even tho' many will deny that.
So Atheism is a belief that God does not exist. This is why some definitions of the word atheist state:
:"one who believes that there is no deity."
From: Atheist - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
What I meant by my comment is that atheists come here to debate facts. They will point out something in science and bring that up in this forum to prove Christianity is false. So it becomes a debate of fact vs faith, which is just plain stupid in my opinion.
As an example, I believe Jesus died to forgive sin so we can be counted as Holy. How can I prove that? I can't jam a concept into a test tube and dissolve it in acid. So I am sorry to of written that statement in that way without clarification. I do believe at the core of atheism is a belief that God does not exist, even tho' many will deny that.
Perhaps, but when I do tell the story you will realize that it is not something that proved the nonexistence of God for me. What it actually did was confirm that I no longer believed. That was an important realization for someone like me who couldn't decide what side of the fence to sit on.I would like to hear your testimony. I’d be happy to post my own account in the same thread as yourself.