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CoooCaw

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Cycel

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CoooCaw said:
evolution is an oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold idea; it actually goes back to lucifer
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I am most curious about this claim. What is your source?
 
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CoooCaw

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it didnt occur to you to do any googling??


are you so sure of your facts??

History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Epicurus (341–270 BC) anticipated the idea of natural selection. Lucretius explicated these ideas in his De rerum natura. In the Epicurean system, it was assumed that many species had been spontaneously generated from "Gaia" in the past, but that only the most functional forms survived to have off-spring. The Epicureans do not seem to have anticipated the full theory of evolution as we now know it and seem to have postulated a separate abiogenetic events for each species rather than postulating a single abiogenetic event coupled with the differentiation of species over time from a single (or small number of) originating parent organism(s).
 
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CoooCaw said:
this is my point; the ones that go public do so!!!!
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But none of the ones on this thread have done so, have they? So your generalization doesn't extend to the people you're applying it to.

so nominate one and let us examine them
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Bertrand Russell
 
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Bryancampbell

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For the evolution believers i still don't get how a single cell would grow eyes, one of the most complicated parts of the body, to come into existence by evolution. How would you explain perception of color, shapes, and light? That goes for the same as the brain. I think it would take more faith to believe in that stuff than just believing that God exists. Somehow a Creator isn't good enough to them.
 
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CoooCaw

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AvalonXQ said:
You didn't answer my question; you just made yet another claim without evidence.

Where are you getting your information about the Epicureans, from which you claim they're not polytheists and they believe in evolution?
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Polydeism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Materialism (illustrated by the Epicureans), represented today by atheism, skepticism, and Deism. The materialist may acknowledge superior beings, but they do not believe in a Supreme Being. Epicureanism was founded about 300 BC by Epicurus. Their world view might be called "polydeism": there are many gods, but they are merely superhuman beings; they are remote, uninvolved in the world, posing no threat and offering no hope to human beings. Epicureans regarded traditional religion and idolatry as harmless enough as long as the gods were not feared or expected to do or say anything.
 
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CoooCaw said:
it didnt occur to you to do any googling??


are you so sure of your facts??
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Not at all, which is why I asked you for your source.

So the Epicureans believed in special, divine creation of different kinds followed by some limited natural selection - the same as most creationists do today, and NOT what we'd consider the Theory of Evolution. Sorry, but if that's the basis for your claim, it fails.

And, yet again, they were polytheists. Unless you have a source that says otherwise?
 
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Bryancampbell said:
For the evolution believers i still don't get how a single cell would grow eyes, one of the most complicated parts of the body, to come into existence by evolution.
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Single cells don't have eyes; eyes developed in multi-celled organisms.

Darwin actually explained the process in his book. Light-sensitive cells collect into one location to form eye spots. Recessed eye spots convey direction. Closing over the recess produces simple images. Lenses and retinae each help refine the image.

The thing is, there are organisms on the planet TODAY that have EACH of these intermediate steps, so we know that those steps are viable, and we understand how changes over time could move from one to the next.

What part of this doesn't make sense to you?

Here's a video:

Evolution of the eye - YouTube
 
Cycel

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CoooCaw said:
it didnt occur to you to do any googling??


are you so sure of your facts??

History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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CoooCaw, what is it you think that is said here to contradict Avlon's statement? It doesn't say Epicurus believed in evolution, it says he "anticipated the idea of natural selection." It is not the same thing. For instance, what is meant in the article when it said "anticipated" natural selection? Until we grasp this we have to be careful about the claims we are making.
 
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CoooCaw

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But none of the ones on this thread have done so, have they? So your generalization doesn't extend to the people you're applying it to.



Bertrand Russell
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ok I need to be more precise

Philosopher Bertrand Russell adopted this position in a debate on the existence of God. He said, "The universe is just here, and that's all."8


I need something to sink my teeth into, show me an atheistic scientist who has views on the origin of the universe; let us go from there

Bertrand Russell had nothing to say in this area; his major dogma was; "There is no God - everything got here some other way"
 
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CoooCaw

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Cycel said:
CoooCaw, what is it you think that is said here to contradict Avlon's statement? It doesn't say Epicurus believed in evolution, it says he "anticipated the idea of natural selection." It is not the same thing. For instance, what is meant in the article when it said "anticipated" natural selection? Until we grasp this we have to be careful about the claims we are making.
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sorry? what was the title of the article?

you now wanna pedantically nitpic narrow definitions of words??
 
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CoooCaw said:
ok I need to be more precise

Philosopher Bertrand Russell adopted this position in a debate on the existence of God. He said, "The universe is just here, and that's all."8


I need something to sink my teeth into, show me an atheistic scientist who has views on the origin of the universe; let us go from there

Bertrand Russell had nothing to say in this area; his major dogma was; "There is no God - everything got here some other way"
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How do you justify saying that this was an irrational dogma of his?
 
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CoooCaw said:
sorry? what was the title of the article?

you now wanna pedantically nitpic narrow definitions of words??
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If the description in the article means that Epicurus was an evolutionist, then so are Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, and Kent Hovind.
 
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danschance

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Originally Posted by CoooCaw

you atheists claim an intellectual or logical superiority but typically you hold to a number of irrational dogmas
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I have not found this to be the case.

Can you give an example of a particular irrational dogma that IntoTheVoid, Starcrash, and Cycel all hold to?
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Avalon, I get a bit confused by your posts. On one hand you claim to be a Christian, but here you seem to be defending atheism. You even seem to be identifying with atheism. I can only conclude you are claiming to be a christian when in fact you are not. Why don't you simply admit that you are not a Christian? Atheists are allowed to post on this site so there is no need to claim you are a christian.
 
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danschance said:
Avalon, I get a bit confused by your posts. On one hand you claim to be a Christian, but here you seem to be defending atheism. You even seem to be identifying with atheism. I can only conclude you are claiming to be a christian when in fact you are not. Why don't you simply admit that you are not a Christian? Atheists are allowed to post on this site so there is no need to claim you are a christian.
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I have reported your attack. we will see what the mods think.
 
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I should be flattered. If you want to know who is making decent arguments on this forum , just see who danschance starts attacking and/or reporting.
 
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Kerry

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So why are you discussing non biblical matters. They love to derail the the truth and for the most part avoid the lie of evolution as best they can. Because they no it is a l and cannot prove it.

They will also avoid this question, because science cannot answer it. what takes place when the seed of man meets the egg of a woman to produce life?
 
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Kerry

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No takers, Oh well. By the way I saw athing on 9/11 where a christian led some folks to a stair well and said lets pray. He said as they were praying that all were asking Jesus for help. He knew that many were atheist and buddhist, he had worked with them for years, but they were asking Jesus and his group got out. Reckon why, maybe chance needed the for the next step of evolution or God respected their prayer in the name of His son. You pick.
 
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