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We need to filter Paul through Messiah, not filter Messiah through Paul.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
I am speaking both sides of this, are you?
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."
2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
We need to filter Paul through Messiah, not filter Messiah through Paul.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
I am speaking both sides of this, are you?
Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."
2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
ok let's see how on earth.. or in heaven... can this:
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
be this?
[h=3]Exodus 20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
when it is written, and please don't dodge my question and add another one answer please
[h=1][/h][h=3]1 Timothy 1:5-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;King James Version (KJV)
do not dodge the question answer it, prove me wrong by the bible
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
be this?
[h=3]Exodus 20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
when it is written, and please don't dodge my question and add another one answer please
[h=1][/h][h=3]1 Timothy 1:5-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;King James Version (KJV)
do not dodge the question answer it, prove me wrong by the bible
Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."
2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
and careful how your pointing fingers i told you my righteousness comes from the holy spirit and God made me righteous through salvation when your trying to say that your righteous from keeping something in the flesh?
2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
and careful how your pointing fingers i told you my righteousness comes from the holy spirit and God made me righteous through salvation when your trying to say that your righteous from keeping something in the flesh?
Dodge the question.
I have already answered this to you twice and you dont even reply to it, but im the one dodging. For the full response you would have to go back and find it, im not typing it over and over to be ignored.
SO, if man did everything perfectly there would be no need for the Law, man dosent so Yahweh needs to provide boundaries.
You totally ignore the verse right before it that says:
"8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;"
Also you filter all Scripture through your misunderstanding of Paul.
Paul needs to be filtered through Messiah.
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.
And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the 1Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not ccommit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Paul even needs to be filtered through HIMSELF:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Yahweh;s Law is for His people:
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
You twist Paul's words to your own destruction, EXACTLY what Kepha (Peter) warned of, Paul's wrintings being east to misunderstand, this is magnified when one almost solely quotes Paul and filters ALL SCRIPTURE through Paul.
I have already answered this to you twice and you dont even reply to it, but im the one dodging. For the full response you would have to go back and find it, im not typing it over and over to be ignored.
SO, if man did everything perfectly there would be no need for the Law, man dosent so Yahweh needs to provide boundaries.
You totally ignore the verse right before it that says:
"8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;"
Also you filter all Scripture through your misunderstanding of Paul.
Paul needs to be filtered through Messiah.
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:
Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."
All as in even the ones he didn't list...
Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.
And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the 1Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not ccommit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."
Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."
Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."
Paul even needs to be filtered through HIMSELF:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.
Romans 7:7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.
12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.
Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Yahweh;s Law is for His people:
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."
You twist Paul's words to your own destruction, EXACTLY what Kepha (Peter) warned of, Paul's wrintings being east to misunderstand, this is magnified when one almost solely quotes Paul and filters ALL SCRIPTURE through Paul.
In prior post I was only pointing the finger at you that you had pointed at me:
Originally Posted by Josh321
hizikyah you need to read the bible in context brother, you can't read it with a one track mind you will never see the answer if you keep doing that what your doing is taking one part and leaving out the other part you need to connect the points or you will be in error
Right back at you.
The other part was Scripture I was using to illustate a point, I was not saying you fulfill it in detail, I know for our personal talks the sinful acts bother you and by Yahweh you want not to do them, and I feel the same.
also you said
"your trying to say that your righteous from keeping something in the flesh?"
I am not saying anything, I am going to post a Scripture and i want you to bounce that statement off of it:
1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
Is "John" fallen from grace?
hizikyah you need to read the bible in context brother, you can't read it with a one track mind you will never see the answer if you keep doing that what your doing is taking one part and leaving out the other part you need to connect the points or you will be in error
Right back at you.
The other part was Scripture I was using to illustate a point, I was not saying you fulfill it in detail, I know for our personal talks the sinful acts bother you and by Yahweh you want not to do them, and I feel the same.
also you said
"your trying to say that your righteous from keeping something in the flesh?"
I am not saying anything, I am going to post a Scripture and i want you to bounce that statement off of it:
1 Yahchanan 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
Is "John" fallen from grace?
No this is not what I said.
Most people cast Messiah's words aside for their misunderstanding of Shaul, I am saying one must know what the Messiah said, and if they think Shaul said something that contradicts Messiah IT IS WRONG INTERPRETATION. SO Shaul has to be understood in accordance with Messiah, not Messiah understood in accordance with Shaul.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it."
Most people cast Messiah's words aside for their misunderstanding of Shaul, I am saying one must know what the Messiah said, and if they think Shaul said something that contradicts Messiah IT IS WRONG INTERPRETATION. SO Shaul has to be understood in accordance with Messiah, not Messiah understood in accordance with Shaul.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it."
i'm done with this matter, something just hit me and a friend confirmed it to me without realizing it, why spend time on the blind when there is actually sinners out there who don't know about Jesus and the salvation that comes to them when they believe upon him, so far i've wasted about a year on this forum? i regret it.. i met some wonderful and precious people everyone is nice people, i'm done debating on this matter, their minds are made up they won't listen so let God's will be done, Amen.
Josh you said to me "do not dodge the question answer it, prove me wrong by the bible"
When I post Scripture and answer your question you usually never to never comment or reply to what i say, this has happened many times.
You say others wont face the Scriptures and are stuck in their own doctrine, but are you not doing the exact same thing by ignoring many chunks of Scripture and claiming they must mean something other than what they say while providing no explanation or reply to said Scriptures?
When I post Scripture and answer your question you usually never to never comment or reply to what i say, this has happened many times.
You say others wont face the Scriptures and are stuck in their own doctrine, but are you not doing the exact same thing by ignoring many chunks of Scripture and claiming they must mean something other than what they say while providing no explanation or reply to said Scriptures?
Before this confrontation had you been good friends? As Christians we are seed planters it is the Holy Spirits job to convict and to convince a person of sin and truth. You will never convert someone as that is not your job. Our job as Christians is to LOVE one another, to help each other, to edify, to lift up Jesus to one another, to encourage. Sounds to me like you backed your friends in a corner and maybe a bit rude about it in the process. They probably felt attacked by you as you would have felt if they had come at you about your beliefs in the same manner as you used on them. Praying for you and them.
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Satan has them convinced they are right. Maybe debating is the least effective way of dealing with them as their minds are closed tighter than a clam that just hit boiling water. Prayer might be the best solution, but don't get discouraged. Look at the odds Jesus had to endure. He was constantly hounded constantly second guessed and questioned at length. They eventually thought they had won when the murdered Him. It was not easy for Jesus, yet He stayed faithful and true till the very end.
Pray about it and do what is best. I have enjoyed you here and hope you stay here, but do whatever you think is right.
Pray about it and do what is best. I have enjoyed you here and hope you stay here, but do whatever you think is right.
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That is a ridiculous statement. Christ spoke thru Paul. Paul brought us Christ's words, not his own. If you don't believe that, which you clearly don't, then you don't believe anything Paul said.
By rejecting ANY PART of what Paul taught you are rejecting Christ. The law is of no benefit to believers, only a stumbling block. By following the law, you have made Christ a stumbling block to yourself.
Josh321, you need not be concerned about how judaizers view you. They reject Christ and we have no requirement nor benefit in being silent to the false doctrine they promulgate.
hiz and his ilk reject Paul simply because Paul clearly spells out God's plan for bringing the gentile into the flock. To do that, the law is now passe. They want to believe that, by keeping the law, they are more special than you and I.
Judaizers that are sincere in seeking eternal glory would do well to study 2 Corinthians 3 and commit its message to heart.
By rejecting ANY PART of what Paul taught you are rejecting Christ. The law is of no benefit to believers, only a stumbling block. By following the law, you have made Christ a stumbling block to yourself.
Josh321, you need not be concerned about how judaizers view you. They reject Christ and we have no requirement nor benefit in being silent to the false doctrine they promulgate.
hiz and his ilk reject Paul simply because Paul clearly spells out God's plan for bringing the gentile into the flock. To do that, the law is now passe. They want to believe that, by keeping the law, they are more special than you and I.
Judaizers that are sincere in seeking eternal glory would do well to study 2 Corinthians 3 and commit its message to heart.
no it was not like that, this is how it started we had a bible study, then i ask a question if they think some foods are unclean to eat then i said before you post anything look at this [h=3]1 Timothy 4:3-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
it was a messy situation.... then they said nope foods are unclean then posted some old testament scriptures, but then i ask if we still under the old covenant.. and that's where things got out of hand, within the group had 2 other true born again persons and like 20 adventist we were all good friends but since the food thing came up it went to the law, then they called me names.. said i'm blind, even told me they feel pity for me, and i'm going to hell for not keeping the commandments... then i should them straight forward scriptures and said the holy spirit is the only thing we need to be saved was very messy... but that's life.. and it's so sad i mean i love them went to school with them but they just refuse to even listen to anything i have to say or the other 2 people, all i did was preach salvation to them... saying that everyone is born under sin so we need a new nature and this nature comes from God, just for that i got condemned and declared i'm speaking doctrine of men... but let God's will be done
[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2:10-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
i personally know some of them, before i was born again, it's like this, it's ok to fornicate, lie but once the sabbath is kept i'm saved that's what it is.. because that is what is happening
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
it was a messy situation.... then they said nope foods are unclean then posted some old testament scriptures, but then i ask if we still under the old covenant.. and that's where things got out of hand, within the group had 2 other true born again persons and like 20 adventist we were all good friends but since the food thing came up it went to the law, then they called me names.. said i'm blind, even told me they feel pity for me, and i'm going to hell for not keeping the commandments... then i should them straight forward scriptures and said the holy spirit is the only thing we need to be saved was very messy... but that's life.. and it's so sad i mean i love them went to school with them but they just refuse to even listen to anything i have to say or the other 2 people, all i did was preach salvation to them... saying that everyone is born under sin so we need a new nature and this nature comes from God, just for that i got condemned and declared i'm speaking doctrine of men... but let God's will be done
[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2:10-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
i personally know some of them, before i was born again, it's like this, it's ok to fornicate, lie but once the sabbath is kept i'm saved that's what it is.. because that is what is happening
Maybe if you didn't cut out the full post it wouldn't appears as if I was claiming there is a contradiction.
Because I clearly stated the contradiction is in peoples understanding and not the text.
You said "By following the law, you have made Christ a stumbling block to yourself."
Oh yeah by actually listening to Him He is a stumbling block, that almost makes sense.
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Because I clearly stated the contradiction is in peoples understanding and not the text.
You said "By following the law, you have made Christ a stumbling block to yourself."
Oh yeah by actually listening to Him He is a stumbling block, that almost makes sense.
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
So sorry that happened, but Jesus wasn't kidding when he said in Mt 10:34-36:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' (from Micah 7:6)"
But it still hurts when it happens.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' (from Micah 7:6)"
But it still hurts when it happens.