Attack of the seventh day adventists

[john832]

Tell me for those sabbath keepers, how must I not break the sabbath? Explain to..

First point...

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

You do not work on the Sabbath. You do not earn a living on the Sabbath...

Exo 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Read ploughing here for "earing".

Don't do your "customary work", "servile work".

One must make a choice, either do what God says or what your employer says. I keep hearing a lot about faith. We are saved by faith. Here is an opportunity for faith and it comes around every week. Do I have the faith to obey God or is my faith in my employer?

There are more points, this is the first one.

 

[Bryancampbell]

Hizikya

No I'm pointing out that intentions is what causes sin or good as well as obedience. You can't keep the commandments. The mosaic law only tells us our fault. You can't live spiritual living in the Law. Fruits of the Spirit can only do that. Again do what you do in faith, whatever is without faith is sin. So don't press us believers who is rested in Jesus, if to us it's been fulfilled and in faith enter its truth. If you want to go ahead,, but don't tell me I'm sinning for something that doesn't require my physical body to do. Hebrews 4 explains we entered THE rest just as God did from His, and we don't devote one day, but everyday, we don't work in iniquity anymore, we rested in the Lord's work on the cross. Let your conviction be your judge, don't judge my conviction. Hebrews 4 also says there remains a sabbath rest, not day, but rest, in Jesus.

This is the problem with Pharisees, they taught obedience of the law, but inside their intentions were evil. If your heart ain't right those commandments means NOTHING. We live by the Spirit not the law.

 

[hootowl]

HI RedTent

I cannot help but agree with what you have said.
As I have already said I am not a Christian but do respect others beliefs.
The Christians do fight amongst each other one is better than another.

Hey if you believe in a God worship in your way and let others worship him in there's,

I have friends in all different denominations, some very good Adventist friends, Catholic friends and Muslim friends. I even give the JW a cold drink on a hot day especially the little ones they bring with them. I actually have friends who believe in Satan. It is no big deal.

When people are safe in their beliefs they do not have to worry about what others believe. People cannot convert the converted unless they are not really converted in the first place.

Look on people as what they are PEOPLE... not what denomination they are. I never ask unless I am offering a meal and do not want to take the chance of making someone feel uncomfortable.

Who cares who goes to church on what day. You can worship in your toilet at home on anyday the message is still the same. Actually it is like saying it is my mothers birthday today will have to visit when you cant be bothered any other time.

Come on do not take yourselves so seriously, yesterday's gone tomorrow may never be yours.

Actually makes me wonder sometimes people love God so much want to be near him but will fight with everything they have to stay alive. If I loved something so much I would want to be with them.

Hootowl

 

[Bryancampbell]

Hootowl, actually they are the ones telling us we are sinning for not obeying the sabbath and the law.

 

[john832]

No need for the 10 commandments (except for educational purposes) because we have been given the righteousness of GOD in Christ.

Where have I heard that before? Oh wait, I remember...

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

We don't need God to tell us what right and wrong is. We can determine it ourselves. After all, we are adults and grown up Christians.

 

[john832]

Hootowl, actually they are the ones telling us we are sinning for not obeying the sabbath and the law.

Hmmm, who is telling you that?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If you can convince yourself that it is just a person that is telling you that sin is transgression of the Law, then you can easily dismiss the Law but if God's Word says that sin is the transgression of the Law, then you have to make a choice.

 

[john832]

Hizikya

No I'm pointing out that intentions is what causes sin or good as well as obedience. You can't keep the commandments. The mosaic law only tells us our fault. You can't live spiritual living in the Law. Fruits of the Spirit can only do that. Again do what you do in faith, whatever is without faith is sin. So don't press us believers who is rested in Jesus, if to us it's been fulfilled and in faith enter its truth. If you want to go ahead,, but don't tell me I'm sinning for something that doesn't require my physical body to do. Hebrews 4 explains we entered THE rest just as God did from His, and we don't devote one day, but everyday, we don't work in iniquity anymore, we rested in the Lord's work on the cross. Let your conviction be your judge, don't judge my conviction. Hebrews 4 also says there remains a sabbath rest, not day, but rest, in Jesus.

This is the problem with Pharisees, they taught obedience of the law, but inside their intentions were evil. If your heart ain't right those commandments means NOTHING. We live by the Spirit not the law.

Same song, different singer...

"You can't keep the Law, so don't even try."

 

[Hizikyah]

Hizikya

No I'm pointing out that intentions is what causes sin or good as well as obedience. You can't keep the commandments. The mosaic law only tells us our fault. You can't live spiritual living in the Law. Fruits of the Spirit can only do that. Again do what you do in faith, whatever is without faith is sin. So don't press us believers who is rested in Jesus, if to us it's been fulfilled and in faith enter its truth. If you want to go ahead,, but don't tell me I'm sinning for something that doesn't require my physical body to do. Hebrews 4 explains we entered THE rest just as God did from His, and we don't devote one day, but everyday, we don't work in iniquity anymore, we rested in the Lord's work on the cross. Let your conviction be your judge, don't judge my conviction. Hebrews 4 also says there remains a sabbath rest, not day, but rest, in Jesus.

This is the problem with Pharisees, they taught obedience of the law, but inside their intentions were evil. If your heart ain't right those commandments means NOTHING. We live by the Spirit not the law.

I love your seriousness for Yahweh brother Bryan, and I have to say justification des not come from the Law, but Shaul spoke on this topic and he made it very clear:

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Romans 7:14, "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

Please check out this thread I made:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72285-key-unlock-some-yahshuas-words.html

The pharisees did not and did not even try to keep Yahweh's Law they made their own law called the oral law/Talmud, this is what they obeyed, taught and enforced. And unless you understand what the pharisses really did you will never understand Yahshua's dealings with them. Please give that thread atleast a look?

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

 

[Bryancampbell]

Hmmm, who is telling you that?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If you can convince yourself that it is just a person that is telling you that sin is transgression of the Law, then you can easily dismiss the Law but if God's Word says that sin is the transgression of the Law, then you have to make a choice.

I'm not dismissing the law, of your heart ain't right keeping commandments means nothing dude seriously. If we live by the Spirit and obey Jesus's commandments, we obey the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Once more, this is either deliberately not understanding what is posted, by me anyway, or abject inability to learn from the Word.

Paul teaches if any man observes any day above another with a clear conscience in the sight of Yahweh, it is not sin. I have never even approached saying anyone is sinning by not observing the Holy Sabbath on the Seventh Day as Yahweh commands.

It has been posted many times, but if you wish to close your eyes to what others observe with knowledge, I am afraid this is your path.

Don't ever say I have accused anyone of sinning simply because they do not understand as I do, for this would be a lie, and we all know who the father of lies is.

Hootowl, actually they are the ones telling us we are sinning for not obeying the sabbath and the law.

 

[Bryancampbell]

I love your seriousness for Yahweh brother Bryan, and I have to say justification des not come from the Law, but Shaul spoke on this topic and he made it very clear:

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Romans 7:14, "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

Please check out this thread I made:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72285-key-unlock-some-yahshuas-words.html

The pharisees did not and did not even try to keep Yahweh's Law they made their own law called the oral law/Talmud, this is what they obeyed, taught and enforced. And unless you understand what the pharisses really did you will never understand Yahshua's dealings with them. Please give that thread atleast a look?

Mark 7:7-9, "But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

The law is spiritual but I said you can't get your spiritual living from them. That's the difference. Look the Pharisees did a number of things.

1. Taught man made traditions
2. Taught you can obey the commands without regard to intentions
3. Taught you can only be righteous in obedience

You are on number 3, but I'm on number 2. I'm talking about number 2 not 3.

 

[Hizikyah]

I'm not dismissing the law, of your heart ain't right keeping commandments means nothing dude seriously. If we live by the Spirit and obey Jesus's commandments, we obey the law.

You are right in this, but honestly if "your heart ain't right" then that person could never be obedient to Yahweh, they may act like they are but yahweh knows all. And Yahshua's Commandments:

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.'

The GREATEST not the only, and "hang all the Law" tell me this, if I keep Yahweh's Sabbaths in the way He says do you think that I am showing love to Yahweh?

 

[KohenMatt]

Someone explain how do you spend your sabbath devoted to God?

Friday afternoon, cleaning up the house and chores so there's nothing to worry about on the Sabbath.
Friday night, dinner with my family. Verbally blessing my kids and my wife.
Sabbath, Church for about about 6 hrs or so, and then fellowship with friends and/or family.

 

[Hizikyah]

The law is spiritual but I said you can't get your spiritual living from them. That's the difference. Look the Pharisees did a number of things.

1. Taught man made traditions
2. Taught you can obey the commands without regard to intentions
3. Taught you can only be righteous in obedience

You are on number 3, but I'm on number 2. I'm talking about number 2 not 3.

and your 100% right in this, but you know as well as I do, because you displayed this previously, that "keeping them without regard to intention" is not keeping them at all, it is in reality, keeping them their own way, which is what the Talmud is full of. You know they made a whole book of Sabbath Laws, a BOOK full, by the time they got done with Sabbath all you could do is sit in place and stare at a wall. My will is to do what Yahweh wants, when Yahweh, wants, how Yahweh wants, I slip at times, but the more I dwell in His presence the more and more I am able to hold fast.

 

[JaumeJ]

Which is it then? Do we obey the Law or do we live in lawlessness? Do you know that if a person truly lives in grace, he has nothing to fear of the law? No one without grace can be justified by observing laws, for he must obey all of the laws, but anyone living in grace has nothing to fear of the law because the curse of it, death, is destroyed on the cross. The law was never destroyed, or would you censor the Psalms which teach us of the law's wisdom? Please stop now.

I'm not dismissing the law, of your heart ain't right keeping commandments means nothing dude seriously. If we live by the Spirit and obey Jesus's commandments, we obey the law.

 

[hootowl]

Thank goodness for other denominations or the markets would never be open Saturday or Sunday Waaaaaa

Hoot owl

 

[KohenMatt]

Hizikya

You can't live spiritual living in the Law.

Disagree.
I can find Spiritual Living in all of the commands. The question is whether people want to look for it.

I can find a spiritual application and revelation for just about every command.

Not trying to being prideful. The only reason this is the case is because God has taught me and is teaching me through the Holy Spirit.

 

[KohenMatt]

Hootowl, actually they are the ones telling us we are sinning for not obeying the sabbath and the law.

Specifically who, and in what post?

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm not dismissing the law, of your heart ain't right keeping commandments means nothing dude seriously. If we live by the Spirit and obey Jesus's commandments, we obey the law.

Correct. It's a Spiritual AND physical obedience. Not just an abstract concept of obedience, but real life.

(I apologize for the barrage of posts this morning. Just trying to catch up.)

 

[Hizikyah]

Correct. It's a Spiritual AND physical obedience. Not just an abstract concept of obedience, but real life.

Spirit in practice not in word.