Baptism Essential to Salvation

[eternally-gratefull]

It is clear Jesus said to do it...and that makes it very necessary....Paul did it...i am sure you did it

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

thats not the point.

he told the OT jews to be circumcised.

Abraham did it, His sons did it. The prophets did it. John the baptist did it. JESUS did it. as was commanded.

But it did absolutely NOTHING in their hope to be saved by God.

Baptism is no different.

They are symbols of what truely saves us, the circumcision/baptism/washing whatever you want to call it. done by the hand of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Circumcision is not an OT type of NT water baptism. Water baptism has been commanded to everyone (Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16) not just 8 day old males.

Yes it is. Paul said as much in his letter to the collossians.

They both represented the cleansing which would (or has) come by the death of Christ.

Col 2:11,12 a circumcision made without hands is a spiritual cutting away of the body of sin, a work done by God only when one is baptized....." you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God". When I was baptized I had faith in God in cutting away the body of sin....many do not have this faith in God.

You did not read the passage very well.

col 2: 11 - 12 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body 8of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Unless the MAN who baptized you rose Christ from the dead. He had no power to baptize you unto Christ, where you were circumcized with the hands of God with the circumcision of Christ.

 

[apostolic862004]

thats not the point.

he told the OT jews to be circumcised.

Abraham did it, His sons did it. The prophets did it. John the baptist did it. JESUS did it. as was commanded.

But it did absolutely NOTHING in their hope to be saved by God.

Baptism is no different.

They are symbols of what truely saves us, the circumcision/baptism/washing whatever you want to call it. done by the hand of God.

Genesis 17:14 -And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So would you mind telling me how a soul that is cut off was still saved?

 

[newbirth]

thats not the point.

he told the OT jews to be circumcised.

Abraham did it, His sons did it. The prophets did it. John the baptist did it. JESUS did it. as was commanded.

But it did absolutely NOTHING in their hope to be saved by God.

Baptism is no different.

They are symbols of what truely saves us, the circumcision/baptism/washing whatever you want to call it. done by the hand of God.

The point is He said to do it ....do you believe he said to do it ? He said believe on him an thou shall be saved. If you don't believe he said to do it and you don't do it then you can't be saved. Because you don't believe him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Genesis 17:14 -And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

So would you mind telling me how a soul that is cut off was still saved?

what does that have to do with salvation? Many gentiles were saved and not circumcized. are you going to say they were not saved?

The covenant was a physical covenant. Not a spiritual one. No one was saved because they were circularized. that's foolishness.

 

[homwardbound]

So those that lived under the OT law as the thief, Noah, Abraham, David, etc., all lived BEFORE Acts 2:38 came into effect so they were not accountable to it like we today who live AFTER Acts 2:38 are accountable to it.

Acts 2:47 after one is baptized God adds him to the right church, the one and only church that was established on Pentecost.

Acts 2:47 "praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved."

Who in Acts 2 were being saved? The ones that obeyed verse 38.

You believe this great, I am happy for you, see you there, I do not have the same view as you, yet I beleive Christ went to the cross for us all to come to belief and be Baptized by Father in Spirit and truth, and not by mankind's view as it is still flesh mankind, persecuting god in Spirit and truth to this very day. And God knows who theses are ant are not, So I am at resat over it, are you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The point is He said to do it ....do you believe he said to do it ? He said believe on him an thou shall be saved. If you don't believe he said to do it and you don't do it then you can't be saved. Because you don't believe him.

what kind of argument is this? has myself or anyone here said, Do not get baptized in water?

Sometimes I think you are here just to argue, I can not come up with any other explanation, because it is obvious you do not think before you post. or your just trying to cause an argument, and doing it on purpose

Of course he said do it. Anyone who has not done it. I wwould wonder about them.

BUT IT WILL NEVER SAVE YOU, NOR HAVE ANY ASPECT IN YOUR SALVATION.

your baptized because you ARE SAVED, not in order to GET SAVED. That would make salvation works based. merited by works. and not a gift.

 

[homwardbound]

So you are only assuming the pronouns "you" refer to you.

Actually I have been given two ears to hear and discern error from truth, and trust by giving all I hear to Farther whom teaches me to just love all as he does and did through Son

 

[newbirth]

what does that have to do with salvation? Many gentiles were saved and not circumcized. are you going to say they were not saved?

The covenant was a physical covenant. Not a spiritual one. No one was saved because they were circularized. that's foolishness.

the covenant was with His people...you just want to teach people to be disobedient

 

[apostolic862004]

what does that have to do with salvation? Many gentiles were saved and not circumcized. are you going to say they were not saved?

The covenant was a physical covenant. Not a spiritual one. No one was saved because they were circularized. that's foolishness.

Absolutely false. There was not one single male Jew or gentile under the OT covenant that was saved without circumcision.

Genesis 17:10 - This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
:11 - And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
:12 - And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
:13 - He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
:14 - And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

You really should read the bible before making statements like that. I know you don't believe that God means what he says, but he does. He wasn't just wasting breath when he told us to do something.

 

[homwardbound]

I don't need to change my mind, I am already a believer and have been for years. Just because I don't see all Scripture the same way you do, that doesn't make me an unbeliever. Do you understand?

Yes I see clearly, as God leads me, I trust God all in all:
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

I am standing and am listening hoping you are as well, we both believe, and we both are in different seats at the arena, seeing from where we are sitting, we see differently, until one of us and then both of us look from each others seat, you think?
Does God just love us? period please answer that, does God just love you, and me and all persons here in this world?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Absolutely false. There was not one single male Jew or gentile under the OT covenant that was saved without circumcision.

Genesis 17:10 - This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
:11 - And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
:12 - And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
:13 - He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
:14 - And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

You really should read the bible before making statements like that. I know you don't believe that God means what he says, but he does. He wasn't just wasting breath when he told us to do something.

you need to read romans 9 and many other passages. No one was saved because they were circularized. This is false and not from God.

in your gospel. ALL jews must be saved, because they all were circumcised (even though they had nothing to do with it.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the covenant was with His people...you just want to teach people to be disobedient

do tell.

Lets put your money where you mouth is, and prove your not here just to cause arguments.

Post every quote I have made where I am telling someone to be disobedient.

time for you to put up. or as the old saying goes. Shut up!

I am getting a little sick of your false accusations.

 

[homwardbound]

My point was and still is that the thief is just 'grasping at straws' and is not a valid argument to try and get rid of the necessity of being water baptized.

Okay, say I believe and have not gotten publicly water Baptized, is God faithful to save me, by Son? and I am not speaking of those that can care less and take this grace for granted.

 

[apostolic862004]

Okay, say I believe and have not gotten publicly water Baptized, is God faithful to save me, by Son? and I am not speaking of those that can care less and take this grace for granted.

The question isn't whether God is faithful to save you, the question whether YOU are faithful to OBEY him.

 

[apostolic862004]

you need to read romans 9 and many other passages. No one was saved because they were circularized. This is false and not from God.

in your gospel. ALL jews must be saved, because they all were circumcised (even though they had nothing to do with it.)

I didn't say they were all saved. But none of them would have been saved if they hadn't gotten circumcised. They could have done everything else in the law and they still would have been lost if they hadn't gotten circumcised. I also didn't say that circumcision was the ONLY thing that saved them.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, that one true church still exists for Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

But the issue I am raising from Acts 2:47 is this: who in Acts 2 were the ones being saved?

The ones that obeyed God's command of verse 38?
The ones that refused to obey verse 38?

Yes in looking at that alone you are correct, yet why not read all of Acts and see the written history of what took place and did change over the days of Acts.
If it were in Acts that this one got saved over the radio or internet, then would all have to be saved this same way?
This is what you are promoting, When Peter learned from God that God gave salvation to the Gentiles before this ritual of water Baptism, happened at the house of Cornelius, a Gentile house, which it was unlawful for Peter to even enter into by Law yet led by the Holy Ghost did, and the Holy Ghost (God) spoke through him and they believed. and were saved and are saved.
Now if they say did not get water Baptized afterwards, would this salvation have been taken away?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't say they were all saved. But none of them would have been saved if they hadn't gotten circumcised. They could have done everything else in the law and they still would have been lost if they hadn't gotten circumcised. I also didn't say that circumcision was the ONLY thing that saved them.

The law never saved them. Circumcision did not save them. THEIR FAITH SAVED THEM.

for those who came to faith before circumcision. They would have (in faith) done what God asked them to do. But they were never saved by it. Anymore than you were saved by your baptism.

 

[newbirth]

what kind of argument is this? has myself or anyone here said, Do not get baptized in water?

Sometimes I think you are here just to argue, I can not come up with any other explanation, because it is obvious you do not think before you post. or your just trying to cause an argument, and doing it on purpose

Of course he said do it. Anyone who has not done it. I wwould wonder about them.

BUT IT WILL NEVER SAVE YOU, NOR HAVE ANY ASPECT IN YOUR SALVATION.

your baptized because you ARE SAVED, not in order to GET SAVED. That would make salvation works based. merited by works. and not a gift.

Here it says ....
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
How are we saved without the washing away of sins. God does his part(grace) and commands us to do our part(faith). That is our act of faith showing we believe. If you disobey it means you did not believe(through faith) Faith without works is dead.

 

[homwardbound]

No one can just assume themselves to be the pronoun "you" in Mt 3:11 and then create some theological idea based on an assumption.

It is not about me, you, or you as you are grabbing at this as if this has meaning or not

It is all God and none of me, you or you or anyone else, For me to think otherwise gives credit to me and others here in this world, and I personally give all credit to God, thanking God for this miraculous love of God given to us by Son,
And that is all Folks, so now pick up your bed and walk