Baptism Essential to Salvation
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it seems you have not read my posts. I have already said that I have been baptized in water, out of obedience.
If you don't understand the Spirit Baptism, then you need a clear Gospel and faith, not a debate.
I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit when I received new life in Christ at salvation.
YES and AMEN!
The 2nd part of my post was not directed at you btw.
I only just figured out the "multi quote" option, and was testing it out.
If you don't understand the Spirit Baptism, then you need a clear Gospel and faith, not a debate.
I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit when I received new life in Christ at salvation.
YES and AMEN!
The 2nd part of my post was not directed at you btw.
I only just figured out the "multi quote" option, and was testing it out.
I am harmonizing scripture with scripture not wrestling against the word. Have you considered living water in John 3:5? Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38-39, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT. *Did you see that? If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
Amen! There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Are you saying there is no water baptism? So when the Lord commanded...Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: He was commanding a Spirit baptism ...Now I am asking you how do you do that to someone....Lets say you have a convert and the command is to baptise him/her how do you perform a Spirit baptism?
[h=1]Philippians 2:12-13New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Do Everything Without Grumbling[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, [SUP]13 [/SUP]for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
I am harmonizing scripture with scripture not wrestling against the word. Have you considered living water in John 3:5? Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38-39, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT. *Did you see that? If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Sorry you do not see what I have said?
I said never willfully, as an excuse using God as an escape goat, yet we are forgiven anytime we unwillfully sin
And yes as soon as it is past, and correct about future, for future is not here yet, only present here right this momentand past is past
So since all sins past are forgiven, how fast is pat Brother?
Before you can ask for it right, before you can blink an eye right?
So it is forgiven correct, by God maybe not by you and or others but it is what it is, past is forgiven today, by Christ for us period, there is and will be no more sacrifice for sin, and no more shedding of blood either will there?
This , what i speak is Thankfulness, with praise and Glory to God our Savior, in response we do as Father leads as Christ already did here on earth for us, Christ being our mediator only to Father for by Christ , we are made perfect before Father to get new life in Spirit and truth
hope you get it, it is all God and none of me, you or anyone else
I said never willfully, as an excuse using God as an escape goat, yet we are forgiven anytime we unwillfully sin
And yes as soon as it is past, and correct about future, for future is not here yet, only present here right this momentand past is past
So since all sins past are forgiven, how fast is pat Brother?
Before you can ask for it right, before you can blink an eye right?
So it is forgiven correct, by God maybe not by you and or others but it is what it is, past is forgiven today, by Christ for us period, there is and will be no more sacrifice for sin, and no more shedding of blood either will there?
This , what i speak is Thankfulness, with praise and Glory to God our Savior, in response we do as Father leads as Christ already did here on earth for us, Christ being our mediator only to Father for by Christ , we are made perfect before Father to get new life in Spirit and truth
hope you get it, it is all God and none of me, you or anyone else
I am harmonizing scripture with scripture not wrestling against the word. Have you considered living water in John 3:5? Jesus said, "born of water and the Spirit" He did not say born of baptism and the Spirit. To automatically read baptism into this verse simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Notice in John 7:38-39, "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of LIVING WATER. But this He spoke concerning the SPIRIT. *Did you see that? If "water" is arbitrarily defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
In John 4:10, Jesus said, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." In John 4:14, Jesus said, "but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life. Jesus connects this living water here with everlasting life. Living water is not water baptism.
John 7:37 - On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive.. In 1 Corinthians 12:13, we also read - ..drink into one Spirit.
See how this all fits together? Perfect harmony.
I ask you to show me how one is Spirit baptized....get a verse showing how it is done so we can all obey the great commission.
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Take this verse by itself and it says, if you have sinned willfully no more sacrifice for sin, no more forgiveness right?
Then tell me who has not ever at least once sinned willfully? So if no more sacrifice for sin then either you are forgiven or you are not and only God can give you thisd in Mercy, maybe we better start begging for it, wow for by that we all are in deep Ju Ju
Take this verse by itself and it says, if you have sinned willfully no more sacrifice for sin, no more forgiveness right?
Then tell me who has not ever at least once sinned willfully? So if no more sacrifice for sin then either you are forgiven or you are not and only God can give you thisd in Mercy, maybe we better start begging for it, wow for by that we all are in deep Ju Ju
Do you not understand that when we are first Born we are like 93% water, and as we grow older here we lose this percentage to eventual death, and the the water (amniotic fluid sack) breaks and out of water as known then as water not as amniotic fluid, so first a man is born of flesh and blood, which no man can please Father in flesh and blood, but Christ the Son, no one before Christ and no one after
So now you are saying is ...You either have an automatic sin cleaner or You have Christ cleaning up after you. Every time a sin becomes past he has to come clean you up.That is great you have Christ doing chores now.... I have to inform you friend , that is not what it means...
.But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
It says sins that are past...not sins that become past...and that happens once, that is the sacrifice for sins there is no more sacrifice for wilfully sinning.
.But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
It says sins that are past...not sins that become past...and that happens once, that is the sacrifice for sins there is no more sacrifice for wilfully sinning.