Baptism: is it required to be baptized in water?

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NewStuff17

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The alcohol version is called a John Daly.

For the cause of Christ
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I'll admit that I barely learned of it 15 or more years ago and haven't asked for one in at least 2 years.
 

NewStuff17

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HAHAHHAHAH have not heard that statement in a few years.....most would not know what you are talking about.......
I'll admit that I barely learned of it 15 or more years ago and haven't asked for one in at least 2 years.
 

JaumeJ

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In emphasis on immersing oneself in the life of Jesus Christ, He is the Living Waters, and there is no greater Baptism than to do this for this would bring in the Holy Spirit...

Anyone who immerses himself in Christ is certainly baptized...... It is always good to imitate Him in any manner possible, but living as He did should mean much more than simply going through the motions of the ritual.

We are also cleansed by His Blood.........think on this also...... The Blood is life. Christ's Blood is His life.
 

plaintalk

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# 328 "Ps. As for Mathew, Make disciples. Baptise THEM. These people ar4 already saved before they were baptised. Thats why it is NOT part of the ONE baptism. It is part of the MANY doctrines of baptisms)"

Response: Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar, Beyond the Basics, pgs. 645, appears to disagree with your assessment. In reference to Matt. 28: 19: "Finally the two other participles, baptizing and teaching, should not be taken at attendant circumstance. First they do not fit the normal pattern for attendant circumstance participles (they are present tense and follow the main verb). And second they obviously make good sense in participles of mean; i.e. the means by which the disciples were to make disciples was to baptize and to teach."

Jesus spoke to this issue when he said, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16: 16) If these words of our Lord are true. then your conclusions are off the mark. Of course, we cannot discount the baptism in Matt. 28: 18-20 from any discussion of the "one baptism" as it is applicable to all nations and all creation and pertains to repentance, discipleship, the forgiveness of sins, entering into a relationship with Christ and dying with Him. IMO we need both the baptism in water and the baptism with the Spirit in order to be born of both water and the Spirit. Together, I believe that they are the one baptism. The baptism in water has to do with sin and death primarily, the baptism with the Spirit has to do with life and renewal.
God bless and open our heart.
 

JaumeJ

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Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
 

plaintalk

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Works of faith, the law and righteousness

# 303 All acts of obedience are works. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend. Obedience to the law was called works of the law. Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness. Baptism is a work. And if we are being baptised as a means of being saved or as part of the salvation process. it is not only a work of righteousness, But it is a work one does to earn the WAGE.

This statement, “Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness,” is in my opinion blatantly false. Yes, baptism is a work, but it is a work of faith and hence a work of God; it is not a work of righteous. The commands of God can be perverted, however, if the doer believes he can be righteous before God based on his performance.

A work is simply and act or a deed and is not inherently bad of itself, thus we have works of God, works of Christ and works of faith.
A work of faith:
(1) A deed or act that proceeds from faith in God; baptism in the name of Christ is an example of a work that proceeds from faith in God. (Acts 8: 36- 38) Baptism is a work of faith; hence a work of God. (1 Cor. 1: 30) We are created in Christ for good works. (Eph. 2: 10)
(2) faith when mingled with love of God or Christ results in obedience; “If you love me you will keep My commandments.” (John 14: 15)
(3) Hope in Christ allows us to persevere, continue in obedience, doing good works, resulting in glory and honor and immortality, eternal life. (Rom. 2: 7, 8)
(4) The purpose of a work of faith is not to be righteous in and by ourselves, by our efforts, but to perfect or complete our faith even as Abraham perfected his faith in God. (Gen 22: 12, 18; James 2: 20- 24) “you see that faith was working with his works (of faith), and as a result of works, faith was perfected.” Saving, justifying faith, obeys. (Heb. 11: 17)

Work of the law:
(1) A deed or act prescribed by the law.
(2) the law is not of faith. (Gal.3: 12)
(3) the law is based on the concept of receiving life based on performance. (Gal. 3: 12)
(4) The law has a curse of requiring total and complete obedience. (Gal 3: 13)

Work of righteousness
(1) [SUP]5 [/SUP]He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3: 5)
(2) This verse tells us that we are not saved by works of righteous, works performed to be righteous before God, a wage; but we are saved by the washing (baptism) that accompanies regeneration and we are saved by renewal by the Holy Spirit.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, (Heb. 5: 9)
God bless.
 
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You are adding your own flawed thinking in there... baptism is NOT a "work".... it is an act of obedience.
And Jesus answering said unto him, suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. (Matt. 3:15)

And it shall be our righteousness , if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord or God, as he hath commanded us. (Deut. 6:25)

I will declare thy righteousness, and thy works ; for they shall not profit thee. (Isaiah 57:12)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5)
 

hornetguy

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And Jesus answering said unto him, suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. (Matt. 3:15)

And it shall be our righteousness , if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord or God, as he hath commanded us. (Deut. 6:25)

I will declare thy righteousness, and thy works ; for they shall not profit thee. (Isaiah 57:12)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (Titus 3:5)
Your throwing in OT verses is a little disingenuous, as they were living under the law. Their whole system was based on works. Everything they did was a work, in order to gain, or keep salvation.

Under the new covenant, we are simply expected to obey Jesus' commands. Obeying a command is not a "work" in the way you define a work (using OT standards). Obeying a command is just that.... obedience.

Under your system, obeying, repenting, accepting.... ALL of those would be "works", because they are things that you "do".

That's just silly.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your throwing in OT verses is a little disingenuous, as they were living under the law. Their whole system was based on works. Everything they did was a work, in order to gain, or keep salvation.

Under the new covenant, we are simply expected to obey Jesus' commands. Obeying a command is not a "work" in the way you define a work (using OT standards). Obeying a command is just that.... obedience.

Under your system, obeying, repenting, accepting.... ALL of those would be "works", because they are things that you "do".

That's just silly.
No one in the OT was saved by works. It has always been by grace. Also this is not true.

The issue with the people of Isreal if they missed christ, because like you, they believed they had to gain or keep salvation by the law. That was never true.
 

hornetguy

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No one in the OT was saved by works. It has always been by grace. Also this is not true.
So I suppose that all the levitical laws they had to keep, along with the sacrifices they had to make didn't count as "works".....

man, you see things in a strange way.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So I suppose that all the levitical laws they had to keep, along with the sacrifices they had to make didn't count as "works".....

man, you see things in a strange way.
so you never read Rom 3 and Gal 3 which tell us plainly the law was given as a tutor to lead people to christ?

I do not just make things up.. Even Moses, when he was given the law. Made the children of Isreal confirm an oath that they would keep every word of it (something that no one but Christ ever did)

And Hebrews. When it tells us the blood of bulls and goats NEVER TOOKAWAY SIN. That should not mean something?

The law demanded perfection. Who but Christ ever managed to fulfill the law in a way they could be saved? The law also stated that blood only could redeem or pay for sin, yet Hebrews again, tells us it never did..

I see things the way God intended, That may be strange to you. But you think a man work can cleanse sin,, so I guess I understand why you think OT works were required for them to take away sin. Only you think God made it easier for us??

Thats strange my friend.
 
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Your throwing in OT verses is a little disingenuous, as they were living under the law. Their whole system was based on works. Everything they did was a work, in order to gain, or keep salvation.
ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God , and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Tim. 3:16) I thought I would just throw this in as well!
 

LibrarianLeo

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This came up in another thread and I didn't want to move that thread off topic so I started another.

Is it required to be baptized in water?

Personally, I do not believe it is required.
[h=3]1 Peter 3:21[/h]Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,
not as a removal of dirt from the body
but as an appeal to God for a good conscience,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
 

preston39

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This came up in another thread and I didn't want to move that thread off topic so I started another. Is it required to be baptized in water? Personally, I do not believe it is required.
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It is required for the sin cleansing process of repentance;

I suggest study of the following scriptures;

Matt.3;15 AND 28:18-20
Mark 16:16
ER 3:21
John 3:5
Acts 22;16 and 2:38
Rom. 6:3

If you are not convinced by these ...then the many others will not help either.
 
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jaybird88

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what is the OP asking about baptism? is it required for what?
 

laymen

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This came up in another thread and I didn't want to move that thread off topic so I started another.

Is it required to be baptized in water?

Personally, I do not believe it is required.

If life permits the ability to choose to be baptized then it is the right thing to do.