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# 328 "Ps. As for Mathew, Make disciples. Baptise THEM. These people ar4 already saved before they were baptised. Thats why it is NOT part of the ONE baptism. It is part of the MANY doctrines of baptisms)"
Response: Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar, Beyond the Basics, pgs. 645, appears to disagree with your assessment. In reference to Matt. 28: 19: "Finally the two other participles, baptizing and teaching, should not be taken at attendant circumstance. First they do not fit the normal pattern for attendant circumstance participles (they are present tense and follow the main verb). And second they obviously make good sense in participles of mean; i.e. the means by which the disciples were to make disciples was to baptize and to teach."
Jesus spoke to this issue when he said, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16: 16) If these words of our Lord are true. then your conclusions are off the mark. Of course, we cannot discount the baptism in Matt. 28: 18-20 from any discussion of the "one baptism" as it is applicable to all nations and all creation and pertains to repentance, discipleship, the forgiveness of sins, entering into a relationship with Christ and dying with Him. IMO we need both the baptism in water and the baptism with the Spirit in order to be born of both water and the Spirit. Together, I believe that they are the one baptism. The baptism in water has to do with sin and death primarily, the baptism with the Spirit has to do with life and renewal.
God bless and open our heart.
Response: Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar, Beyond the Basics, pgs. 645, appears to disagree with your assessment. In reference to Matt. 28: 19: "Finally the two other participles, baptizing and teaching, should not be taken at attendant circumstance. First they do not fit the normal pattern for attendant circumstance participles (they are present tense and follow the main verb). And second they obviously make good sense in participles of mean; i.e. the means by which the disciples were to make disciples was to baptize and to teach."
Jesus spoke to this issue when he said, "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16: 16) If these words of our Lord are true. then your conclusions are off the mark. Of course, we cannot discount the baptism in Matt. 28: 18-20 from any discussion of the "one baptism" as it is applicable to all nations and all creation and pertains to repentance, discipleship, the forgiveness of sins, entering into a relationship with Christ and dying with Him. IMO we need both the baptism in water and the baptism with the Spirit in order to be born of both water and the Spirit. Together, I believe that they are the one baptism. The baptism in water has to do with sin and death primarily, the baptism with the Spirit has to do with life and renewal.
God bless and open our heart.
Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
Works of faith, the law and righteousness
# 303 All acts of obedience are works. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend. Obedience to the law was called works of the law. Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness. Baptism is a work. And if we are being baptised as a means of being saved or as part of the salvation process. it is not only a work of righteousness, But it is a work one does to earn the WAGE.
This statement, “Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness,” is in my opinion blatantly false. Yes, baptism is a work, but it is a work of faith and hence a work of God; it is not a work of righteous. The commands of God can be perverted, however, if the doer believes he can be righteous before God based on his performance.
A work is simply and act or a deed and is not inherently bad of itself, thus we have works of God, works of Christ and works of faith.
A work of faith:
(1) A deed or act that proceeds from faith in God; baptism in the name of Christ is an example of a work that proceeds from faith in God. (Acts 8: 36- 38) Baptism is a work of faith; hence a work of God. (1 Cor. 1: 30) We are created in Christ for good works. (Eph. 2: 10)
(2) faith when mingled with love of God or Christ results in obedience; “If you love me you will keep My commandments.” (John 14: 15)
(3) Hope in Christ allows us to persevere, continue in obedience, doing good works, resulting in glory and honor and immortality, eternal life. (Rom. 2: 7, 8)
(4) The purpose of a work of faith is not to be righteous in and by ourselves, by our efforts, but to perfect or complete our faith even as Abraham perfected his faith in God. (Gen 22: 12, 18; James 2: 20- 24) “you see that faith was working with his works (of faith), and as a result of works, faith was perfected.” Saving, justifying faith, obeys. (Heb. 11: 17)
Work of the law:
(1) A deed or act prescribed by the law.
(2) the law is not of faith. (Gal.3: 12)
(3) the law is based on the concept of receiving life based on performance. (Gal. 3: 12)
(4) The law has a curse of requiring total and complete obedience. (Gal 3: 13)
Work of righteousness
(1) [SUP]5 [/SUP]He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3: 5)
(2) This verse tells us that we are not saved by works of righteous, works performed to be righteous before God, a wage; but we are saved by the washing (baptism) that accompanies regeneration and we are saved by renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, (Heb. 5: 9)
God bless.
# 303 All acts of obedience are works. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend. Obedience to the law was called works of the law. Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness. Baptism is a work. And if we are being baptised as a means of being saved or as part of the salvation process. it is not only a work of righteousness, But it is a work one does to earn the WAGE.
This statement, “Obedience to Gods commands are called works of righteousness,” is in my opinion blatantly false. Yes, baptism is a work, but it is a work of faith and hence a work of God; it is not a work of righteous. The commands of God can be perverted, however, if the doer believes he can be righteous before God based on his performance.
A work is simply and act or a deed and is not inherently bad of itself, thus we have works of God, works of Christ and works of faith.
A work of faith:
(1) A deed or act that proceeds from faith in God; baptism in the name of Christ is an example of a work that proceeds from faith in God. (Acts 8: 36- 38) Baptism is a work of faith; hence a work of God. (1 Cor. 1: 30) We are created in Christ for good works. (Eph. 2: 10)
(2) faith when mingled with love of God or Christ results in obedience; “If you love me you will keep My commandments.” (John 14: 15)
(3) Hope in Christ allows us to persevere, continue in obedience, doing good works, resulting in glory and honor and immortality, eternal life. (Rom. 2: 7, 8)
(4) The purpose of a work of faith is not to be righteous in and by ourselves, by our efforts, but to perfect or complete our faith even as Abraham perfected his faith in God. (Gen 22: 12, 18; James 2: 20- 24) “you see that faith was working with his works (of faith), and as a result of works, faith was perfected.” Saving, justifying faith, obeys. (Heb. 11: 17)
Work of the law:
(1) A deed or act prescribed by the law.
(2) the law is not of faith. (Gal.3: 12)
(3) the law is based on the concept of receiving life based on performance. (Gal. 3: 12)
(4) The law has a curse of requiring total and complete obedience. (Gal 3: 13)
Work of righteousness
(1) [SUP]5 [/SUP]He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, (Titus 3: 5)
(2) This verse tells us that we are not saved by works of righteous, works performed to be righteous before God, a wage; but we are saved by the washing (baptism) that accompanies regeneration and we are saved by renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, (Heb. 5: 9)
God bless.
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so you never read Rom 3 and Gal 3 which tell us plainly the law was given as a tutor to lead people to christ?
I do not just make things up.. Even Moses, when he was given the law. Made the children of Isreal confirm an oath that they would keep every word of it (something that no one but Christ ever did)
And Hebrews. When it tells us the blood of bulls and goats NEVER TOOKAWAY SIN. That should not mean something?
The law demanded perfection. Who but Christ ever managed to fulfill the law in a way they could be saved? The law also stated that blood only could redeem or pay for sin, yet Hebrews again, tells us it never did..
I see things the way God intended, That may be strange to you. But you think a man work can cleanse sin,, so I guess I understand why you think OT works were required for them to take away sin. Only you think God made it easier for us??
Thats strange my friend.
I do not just make things up.. Even Moses, when he was given the law. Made the children of Isreal confirm an oath that they would keep every word of it (something that no one but Christ ever did)
And Hebrews. When it tells us the blood of bulls and goats NEVER TOOKAWAY SIN. That should not mean something?
The law demanded perfection. Who but Christ ever managed to fulfill the law in a way they could be saved? The law also stated that blood only could redeem or pay for sin, yet Hebrews again, tells us it never did..
I see things the way God intended, That may be strange to you. But you think a man work can cleanse sin,, so I guess I understand why you think OT works were required for them to take away sin. Only you think God made it easier for us??
Thats strange my friend.
[h=3]1 Peter 3:21[/h]Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you,
not as a removal of dirt from the body
but as an appeal to God for a good conscience,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
not as a removal of dirt from the body
but as an appeal to God for a good conscience,
through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
