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Peter answered them, "All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift.
So is this English translation wrong?
If so, which Bible translation is correct?
So is this English translation wrong?
If so, which Bible translation is correct?
I honestly don't know why you choose to have issue about it, for John, Jesus, and Peter all had dual ministries, buy I understand you want to dazzle with your knowledge of Koine Greek-still doesn't mean that what I offered isn't true. Whether you want to debate past, present ,future, aorist, pluperfect-or whatever else you want to dredge up from whatever school you learned from. I believe, as do many Christians, that the Bible is all I need to understand what the Bible says. If I needed to understand the original autographs in ancient Hebrew and Koine Greek-then I'm pretty sure God would've made sure the scriptures were never translated. But you go ahead and say what you say. Impress me with your vast knowledge.
I personally believe that God in all His power is able to preserve His word throughout the ages, and maybe He knew that in the years leading up from 1611 to our modern day, 90% of the world would use the English language. That's not to say that all nations primarily use English, however, a great majority do learn English as a second language. Understanding some Greek may have some useful applications.
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I personnally believe the English language is one of the worst languages, it is too basic, and not deep enough to really see the detail of the greek language (the greek is much more indepthnand consise. And that the translators, be as they may, not only had an issue trying to interpret a “word for word” translation trying to find words that fit best, but may not be precise (like the word love in Jesus questioning of peter. Where one english word with many meaning replace two different greek words with differnt meanings) and if one interpreted it into an english text where we wanted precise interpretation, at best, the nt would be about twice as long in the english
Hornetguy,
Do you know how refreshing it is that you answered the way you did?
It's not often that someone acknowledges something that even sounds like it contradicts a doctrinal belief they had been taught to hold. It's like how God felt about Ninevah in the last chapter of Jonah. And it is similar to how the ‘certain disciples’ were willing to be vulnerably honest to Paul when he asked them IF they had received the holy ghost in Acts 19.
BTW, would you like to hear another thing that those biblical play-by-play examples prove? The same way they prove that the Holy Ghost is NOT always given immediately at/upon water baptism...they also prove that the Holy Ghost is NOT always given immediately at/upon the moment of belief.
Play-by-play example #1. Acts 2:1-4 The disciples (including Peter) already believed prior to the day of Pentecost (when they actually were baptized with the Holy Ghost). No statement of them only newly beginning to believe in Jesus. (Independent of time of belief).
NOTE: Even the fact of Jesus stating “It is finished” doesn’t change the fact that the believers still had to wait until the day of Pentecost to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost. (it didn’t happen at the time of their belief...or at the time of his sacrifice on the cross)
Play-by-play example #2. Acts 8:5-17. In verse 12 they believe and get baptized. Verses 14-16 the apostles hear of this and send Peter and John to pray for them because verse 16 clearly states that they have not yet received the Holy Ghost. Not until verse 17 does the bible state that they actually receive the Holy Ghost (independent of time of belief).
Play-by-play example #3. Acts 10:44-48. Cornelius and his group. In this example the Holy Ghost is poured out upon them (verse 44) while they are hearing. This is one biblical account of someone actually receiving the holy ghost at what can be argued as “at time of belief”...but it is neither first nor last...establishing no standard.
Play-by-play example #4. Acts 19:1-7. Paul talking to disciples at Ephesus. The bible already declares them as disciples in verse 1. Paul suggests they are believers in verse 2.. And if baptism is the first step AFTER belief, then they got baptized between time of belief, and time of receiving the Holy Ghost...because in verse 6, they receive the holy ghost, not stated as “at belief” but in this particular example it was instead stated that “when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them”.
I’m adding this last statement because I got it when praying tonight and felt led to share it as a reminder/warnig to all of us. We are to filter what we are taught in church through the examples given to us by God...not to filter the examples given to us by God through what we are taught in church.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Do you know how refreshing it is that you answered the way you did?
It's not often that someone acknowledges something that even sounds like it contradicts a doctrinal belief they had been taught to hold. It's like how God felt about Ninevah in the last chapter of Jonah. And it is similar to how the ‘certain disciples’ were willing to be vulnerably honest to Paul when he asked them IF they had received the holy ghost in Acts 19.BTW, would you like to hear another thing that those biblical play-by-play examples prove? The same way they prove that the Holy Ghost is NOT always given immediately at/upon water baptism...they also prove that the Holy Ghost is NOT always given immediately at/upon the moment of belief.
Play-by-play example #1. Acts 2:1-4 The disciples (including Peter) already believed prior to the day of Pentecost (when they actually were baptized with the Holy Ghost). No statement of them only newly beginning to believe in Jesus. (Independent of time of belief).
NOTE: Even the fact of Jesus stating “It is finished” doesn’t change the fact that the believers still had to wait until the day of Pentecost to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost. (it didn’t happen at the time of their belief...or at the time of his sacrifice on the cross)
Play-by-play example #2. Acts 8:5-17. In verse 12 they believe and get baptized. Verses 14-16 the apostles hear of this and send Peter and John to pray for them because verse 16 clearly states that they have not yet received the Holy Ghost. Not until verse 17 does the bible state that they actually receive the Holy Ghost (independent of time of belief).
Play-by-play example #3. Acts 10:44-48. Cornelius and his group. In this example the Holy Ghost is poured out upon them (verse 44) while they are hearing. This is one biblical account of someone actually receiving the holy ghost at what can be argued as “at time of belief”...but it is neither first nor last...establishing no standard.
Play-by-play example #4. Acts 19:1-7. Paul talking to disciples at Ephesus. The bible already declares them as disciples in verse 1. Paul suggests they are believers in verse 2.. And if baptism is the first step AFTER belief, then they got baptized between time of belief, and time of receiving the Holy Ghost...because in verse 6, they receive the holy ghost, not stated as “at belief” but in this particular example it was instead stated that “when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them”.
I’m adding this last statement because I got it when praying tonight and felt led to share it as a reminder/warnig to all of us. We are to filter what we are taught in church through the examples given to us by God...not to filter the examples given to us by God through what we are taught in church.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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